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Apple v. Samsung jury asks permission to stay late; is a verdict coming tonight?

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Apple v. Samsung jury asks permission to stay late; is a verdict coming tonight?
The  men and two women that make up the jury deciding the outcome of the Apple v. Samsung patent trial have requested an extra hour to deliberate on Friday. Could this mean that the jury is close to reaching a decision? Will we hear a verdict before the weekend? Although that is a possibility, some believe that the request is merely a sign that the jury is having long discussions about the case and that they need the extra time to go through the 40 page jury verdict form that even long time court veterans have described as being complicated.

Crossword puzzle? No, part of a jury verdict form that was proposed by Samsung for use in the Apple v. Samsung patent trial

Crossword puzzle? No, part of a jury verdict form that was proposed by Samsung for use in the Apple v. Samsung patent trial

Put yourself in the shoes of one of the jurors. You sat through 120 minutes of instructions read from 108 pages by Judge Lucy Koh, and now you have 700 individual questions to answer including the decision of which devices infringed upon which patents, how much in damages each side should be awarded, was the infringement intentional, which current products are affected by patent infringements and more. Some courtroom observers say that the size and scope of the jury verdict form guarantees that deliberations will be long.

Apple seeks $2.5 billion to $2.75 billion in damages from Samsung, an amount Apple's legal team said in closing arguments, that is being asked for as a warning to other companies not to infringe on patents belonging to multi-billion dollar companies. Samsung's counter-suit seeks $400 million. Legal experts believe that Samsung's case was the weaker of the two, but believe that the jury might look to split the verdict to give each company a partial victory instead of the chest thumping verdict they each seek.

Speaking of split verdicts, early Friday morning in the States, news came that a three judge panel in South Korea had announced a split verdict in another Apple-Samsung patent trial. While both sides ended up with a little cash, the main part of the verdict was the banning of the Apple iPhone 4S, Apple iPad 2, Samsung Galaxy S, Samsung Galaxy S II, Samsung GALAXY Tab and Samsung GALAXY Tab 10.1 devices in the country.

source: electronista

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posted on 24 Aug 2012, 15:41 2

1. -box- (Posts: 3707; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Wonder if there'll be any results before the weekend.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 15:49 9

2. CivicSi89 (Posts: 348; Member since: 23 Jul 2011)


As much as i love Android and Samsung. I fear that Samsung will loose this. Im not saying that they did anything wrong. (in my eye this whole thing is trivial) but I just have a feeling Apple is going to win. And i get sick thinking bout how much gloating will be done if they do.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 15:55 4

3. D.Aceveda (Posts: 358; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)


Apple, Take a walk.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 16:00 5

4. joseg81 (Posts: 164; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


apple sounds like the spoiled rich kids here..."we have more money than you do :P so don't mess with us!" it makes it seem like a joke. they should ask for their damages and nothing else.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 16:23 3

8. gallitoking (Posts: 4680; Member since: 17 May 2011)


thats the same thing that I think when celebrities get to walk instead of doing jail time.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 16:33 2

13. joseg81 (Posts: 164; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


whatever happened to fair trials? nowadays you can just buy your way out of most anything, well that is if you're apple or hollywood rich lol

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 17:01 3

15. tedkord (Posts: 4263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


*cough*OJ and Robert Blake*cough*

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 16:15 3

5. rusticguy (Posts: 2818; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


If it's a split verdict (which it should be) then Apple could "crib" that US Court copied South Korean Court. It would be interesting to see if the verdict is as "impartial" as South korean Court judgment.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 16:24 1

9. Sniggly (Posts: 6695; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Except that, being sequestered, the jury should have zero knowledge of the South Korean case.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 16:30 1

11. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


do they get to go home for the weekend or are they holed up in a hotel all weekend?

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 16:32 2

12. Sniggly (Posts: 6695; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Usually juries are stuck in a hotel with no outside contact whatsoever, at least according to my understanding.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 18:26 2

21. ardent1 (Posts: 1991; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


America is not South Korea (let me add by saying if America did not intervene when North Korea invaded South Korea, the South Korea that we know and love might not have existed -- btw, Vietnam is doing just fine).

What makes America great is that we have strong property rights. If American companies want to continue to develop IP, then this is an important case. American companies currently lead the world in technology innovations, and if the American courts do not protect IP, then America would lose its leadership position and the consumers, as a whole, will suffer.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:26 1

22. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


what makes us weaker is that we have very weak and very broken patent rights. Those greatly interfere with ACTUAL property rights.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 16:15 2

6. Hammerfest (Posts: 360; Member since: 12 May 2012)


You know no matter the outcome, both will appeal (the loser at least, or loser's if both split).

Sadly, due to the way the law is written, and the stupid a$$ people at the patent office, this could very well be Apples win...

I have long ago lost any faith in our Government, that definitely includes the Patent Office and Judaical system.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 16:23 2

7. roscuthiii (Posts: 1785; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Sounds like they just want to get the verdict done and over with so they can head the hell out and enjoy their weekend and/or blow off some steam.
They're probably tired of armies of vain, condescending lawyers hiding ulterior motives behind legalese in order to make the rich and powerful even richer and more powerful...and generally treating their intelligence as that of children. I mean, seriously, whether or not the jurors are versed electronics they've spent weeks listening to two over-privileged teams argue over rectangles. That sounds like nursery school playground squabbling to me.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 16:29 3

10. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the split verdict in Korea is pretty much what I'd expect to happen here. they both lose more than they gain. The verdict in Korea though hurts apple much more than it hurts samsung since apple's new/main devices are banned, and its banned for hardware reasons... which is much harder to fix. The SGS3 didnt get banned and most of apple's complaints were software based, which could be quickly patched to allow reselling. If samsung was smart, they had people working on design work arounds for the phone already just in case.

The one thing the korean trial may do is force apple to the bargaining table without its head up its arse about what its "owed". If samsung wins on the 3G patents in america, they pretty much have apple by the cahones on their own turf if a ban is ensued on the 4s and ipads.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 17:00 2

14. master0fursinz (Posts: 104; Member since: 26 Apr 2010)


im tired of this case already. i find it silly, apple and samsung should just drop it already. i think back to when mobile phones became a hot item to get and how many of them looked the same. heck at this point who ever created the first bar style and flip style phone should sue everyone else that created it after them just based on "design". even the phone icons of today are based on old designs from basic phones. Green Call icon, red disconnect icon etc... lets move on from this please. i want my quad core phone w/ 4g in the states yesterday.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 17:05 2

16. tedkord (Posts: 4263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Unfortunately, both sides have had ample opportunity to settle. And while I personally think Apple were probably more intransigent, there's plenty of blame for both sides.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 18:11 1

17. dcgore (Posts: 201; Member since: 24 Feb 2012)


Samsung was just found guilty of all counts, only the galaxy tab got away. I mean honestly, it is denial if people think Samsung didn't copy apple. That said, the Samsung brand really is a good brand.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:30 1

23. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


a verdict is not always correct. Raise your hand if you think OJ was innocent, Casey anthony didnt kill her daughter, or that Clinton did not get it on in some way/shape/form in the Oval office with Lewinski. Or how about those people that get let go every year from death sentences because the guilt verdict was incorrect?

Winning and losing is part how the judge presides, part how the laywers present, and part what type of jury you have. Facts are not always as important as presentation. This verdict proves it as Samsung seemed to have proven prior art/tech against a few of apple's "patents" pretty clearly and yet still lost on those claims.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 18:11 2

18. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


The verdict is already in. Apple wins 1.05 billion.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 18:12

19. albie1937 (Posts: 17; Member since: 05 Feb 2012)


This verdict will not sit well overseas since Apple is a US based company. Apple started this mess and it will end up biting them in the ass overseas. Apple has become too arrogant. Microsoft as well.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 18:18 2

20. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


Apple doesn't even have a good market overseas anyways.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 01:04

24. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)


None of this stops Samsung or any of it's current products that are in circulation. Ie Galaxy S3, Galaxy Note, Galaxy Nexus or and upcoming devices such as the Galaxy Note 2 or New Galaxy Nexus 2. Samsung will be just fine these are the products apple are envy of..http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2012/08/editorial-apple-successfully-wins-against-samsung-and-what-this-probably-means/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

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