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Apple uses technicality in an attempt to prevent Verizon from being a "friend of the court"

0. phoneArena 28 Sep 2011, 00:32 posted on

On Tuesday, Apple claimed that federal rules prevent Verizon from entering an amicus brief in district court; the carrier claims that if the court bans imports of the Samsung Droid Charge and the Samsung GALAXY Tab 10.1 LTE, it would "hinder" the operator from rolling out its LTE network...

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posted on 28 Sep 2011, 09:53 1

51. ngo2dd (Posts: 777; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


I don't know why Taco feel so butt hurt all the time.
He keep saying how OEM are copying the iPad design and how table were different in design before the iPad. But when you give him fact he just change the subject.
http://i.imgur.com/VYyNn.jpg
And it is the same thing about how android copy iOS. He keep using the same argument about the prototype android phone but he has nothing else. Android is base off linux.
God this Kid is so butt hurt I can believe it

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 10:21 1

52. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


I'm with Taco, Apple is an american company, lets be honest its like comparing a Chevy and a Honda, the Honda is way cheaper, but the Chevy is way better made...its the same s**t, iPhone is better quality than the Galaxy in terms of materials, on top of that....with all these lawsuits appearing, they are laws WE THE PEOPLE voted on, if you were Steve Jobs, Tim Cook, or any shareholder in Apple, you would understand...its like if you spend time and money on making something the right way, then your friend comes and takes your idea and tries to sell it, iPhone might have Samsung parts, but I can guarantee 100% that there is not 1 phone out there that is completely made with parts by just 1 company

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 10:38 3

53. box (unregistered)


....you need to fact-check. Last I checked, Hondas are still priced up-market of a comparable chevrolet model, and their build qualities are relatively equivalent. Also, your car analogy is probably one of the worst you could pick, as many US-based car companies have a significant portion of their vehicles built outside the US (i.e. GM, who builds a lot in Canada and Mexico) while many non-US-based companies are building vehicles here (i.e. Hyundai/Kia, BMW, Volkwagen, Toyota, and until recently, Mazda, to name a few). Apple is a US-based company which employs Americans for its white-collar and sales staff, but all of its products are made overseas from overseas-manufactured parts by citizens of those overseas countries, then shipped and sold at a markup worldwide. The iphone is among the cheapest touchscreen phones to build based on manufacturing costs and the deals apple strikes with its suppliers (i.e. Samsung, LG) for components, are put together by grossly underpaid workers in terrible working conditions that - in the US - would have been shut down half-a-decade ago or earlier, and then sold as one of the most expensive phones on the market. All that while being an underdeveloped, patent-infringing glorified feature phone with a fancy app-launcher and stupidly-good marketing that appeals to narrowminded halfwits who don't know any better than to research what else is available in the same category at a much more attainable price and eligibility (on contract) standpoint

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 11:38 1

65. corporateJP (Posts: 1520; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


Not to get off of topic, but...

Thank you for this:

"as many US-based car companies have a significant portion of their vehicles built outside the US (i.e. GM, who builds a lot in Canada and Mexico) while many non-US-based companies are building vehicles here (i.e. Hyundai/Kia, BMW, Volkwagen, Toyota, and until recently, Mazda, to name a few)."

Spoken truth.

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 10:45 1

54. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


THIS IS NOT ABOUT AMERICA VS SOUTH KOREA, IT'S ABOUT APPLE VS SAMSUNG!!!
why you got to be so racist bro?

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 11:03 1

56. ngo2dd (Posts: 777; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Dude wow you are dumb. Honda car are price the same as a Chevy model for model. Most American car part are out source to other county. They are just put together here. You know much of the manufacturing that are done in the south are from Japanese and European company. You are as bad as taco

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 11:33

63. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


LMAO you fandroids are so retarded, I swear, I don't think you can be really racist when people have been racist to you and your people your whole life "wassup" as for box, they are not equivalent, just went car shopping actually, and bought an Accord just cuz we needed a cheap daily driver lol, imo, and having owned numerous Hondas, as well as my family owning numerous Chevrolet vehicles, the Chevrolet ones are better built with better materials, and aren't as cheap...as for vehicles being assembled in other countries, that might be true, but theyre still made here, just that certain parts might be assembled in another country, so check yourself bro...go buy yourself another Android phone that will probably be banned within the month due to copyright policies, we are in the US, therefor if you break copyright laws, you will have to pay for it, tool...

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 12:28

72. ngo2dd (Posts: 777; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Really?
http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-sedan/
2011 Honda acoord $21,380
http://www.autotrader.com/research/modelinfo/overview.xhtml?styleid=325759
2011 chevy impala $19,000 - $22,725
That is not much of different is it?
http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-sedan/
$15,805 2012 honda civic
http://www.shopautoweek.com/search.html?q=chevrolet&9gtype=search&9gkw=%2B2012%20chevy&9gad=14625933946&gclid=CLSD4726wKsCFWsEQAodpXd0rw
Chevy aveo 2012 $13,745
Like I said model for model they are prices the same.
That just show you how dumb you really are.

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 12:50

77. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


lol and you compare an Aveo to the Civic? wow youre an idiot, just stfu, go home, research your s**t better kid, then come on here and post some legit statements, the Aveo would be more of a comparison to the Fit, but this is a phone site idiot, the whole car deal was a simile, Chevy cars ARE built better, having driven both, I know what I'm talking about, you're probably one of those little rice burners with your little beat up EK Civic, just stfu tool...

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 14:17

93. ngo2dd (Posts: 777; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Aveo are compact car what is civic? So ya a compact. What, you said nothing about my accord to impala prices? You are telling me they are not in the same class of car.
For your dumbass information I drink a 300M, my Asian parent have not one but two Chevy impala, and before that they have nothing but Oldsmobile. So who look stupid now?

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 12:37

75. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


chevy does not build better cars than honda.. GM makes some of the worst american crap their is. The worst is probably dodge though. If its not a Ram, dont buy it.. lol

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 12:49

76. GALAXY-S (Posts: 701; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


lol i have to agree with you on buying a ram !! But GM does not make bad cars, ive had a couple of camaros and a Silverado truck, my best buddy had a cavalier and other a cobalt .. let me tell you the rides are all smooth and the interior has a good quality feel..
.. ive driven 2010 altimas, 2009 titans and some hondas and they do not have the same quality feel.. bt imports tend to last longer i agree with that

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 15:32

96. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ive had a nissan xterra and a 200sx.. the 200 i got bored with at 250k miles and traded it for the Xterra. I traded the Xterra at 160k miles. Neither ever gave me problems and other than some user wear n tear, didnt show their age. Traded in the xterra for one of those new sonatas. Now that car is frikkin nice on the inside. Hyundai has made a 180 from a crap car to best in class. Bought that one brand new because the deal was just too sweet to pass up. (12k for a 20k car that had 7 miles on it)

My wife prefers american cars... especially GMs. in the 12 years we've been together, she has gone through 6 cars to my 3 and is about to need another. Her cars fall apart left and right. Finally she has come to the conclusion that GM doesnt hold a candle to import cars and is getting something else.
I love some of the GM designs.. especially the camero and corvettes, but i could never bring myself to buy one. I tried really hard to talk myself into buying a convertable camero. Couldnt even get myself to test drive one because I'm so iffy on their reliability.. That and I hate the UAW.

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 15:41

98. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


oh, i forgot to add that not one of my wife's cars has ever made it to 140k miles before falling appart. if thats american quality, you can keep it.

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 12:54

79. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


you're a little riceburner too huh??

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 14:26

94. ngo2dd (Posts: 777; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


I gave you fact where are your fact? Give me fact on how much cheaper Honda car are to Chevy? A few hundred is not a big different. So how can you back your statement. I owned you twice already. And I do not drive import, I am an American CAR. So who is the tool now?

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 15:35

97. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


oh look, an iGnorant iDiot making a racist statement.

And yea, until american cars can match the quality and reliability of an import car, you wont find me buying any. I dont care about where it comes from, I care about how good it is.

Besides many"imports" are made in america now anyways... and many "american" cars are made in mexico.

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 13:07

81. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Sorry, Applefanboy, I'm going to have to disagree with you on just about everything you say here.

Being American made does not mean higher quality. I've been in some very nice Hondas and some truly s**tty GM cars. My one friend owns a Honda Pilot and her husband owns a Chevy Trailblazer. The Pilot is by far the better vehicle.

Secondly, we the people almost never vote on laws themselves. We vote on a bunch of slick assholes whom we think will represent our interests. Those assholes then make up the laws. And quite frankly, they do a s**tty job of it almost without fail.

Third, Apple is one of the biggest hypocrites ever when it comes to patents. Samsung and HTC both now have royalty deals with Microsoft yet none with Apple? Why would they be willing to deal with one and not the other? Also, the only phone related royalty Apple has paid was a sum to Nokia after a dragged out lawsuit. They've flat out refused to pay ANYONE ELSE, like Motorola for instance. They're quick to sue everyone else over perceived patent violations yet won't pay a penny themselves unless they're forced to.

Also, at this point they're not even looking for royalties. Apple is looking to flat out ban anyone else from selling any competitive product anywhere on Earth. Apple's attitude is that no one else deserves to be in the market but them. They want a total monopoly on the mobile market. By their actions it's clear that's what they're aiming for.

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 14:02

90. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


I agree on that to some extent, what I was referring to was materials used on the car I guess if that makes sense, for example, I own a 2003 Nissan 350z, my door panels are all scratched up due to going in and out of the car and well, normal wear and tear, my dad has a 2001 Chevy Silverado, his door panels and other panels on the truck in comparison, have no scratches and no issues whatsoever, however, I do kno that with regular maintenance, my Z will last a hell of a lot longer, being that mechanically it is a bit better built, imo though, the SIlverado is made with better materials and seems a bit more firm...at least to me it does lol

I guess I agree this whole patent deal is retarded as well Sniggly, however, we are in the US, and thanks to that, we have the freedom to sue, Apple is a business and it is making business decisions that might seem ruthless and shady, however, to the consumer, they've never been like that, a lot of businesses here are that way, they might have some shady business practices but to the consumer, they are a good company, bottom line, its business and its whos selling more at the end of the day....I would do the same if I was at Apple, now the Charge, I dont see why they are trying to sue over, I assume it is the icon design, which is the only thing I have been arguing as a legit cause for these lawsuits, back when I was choosing between the iPhone and the Prada, a guy on craigslist offered me an "iPhone" for $300, I jumped on it and met up, it was a replica with 2 sd slots and 2 sim card slots, it was soooo fake and cheap and the way it was made was whack, if Apple wasnt able to do this and sue the big companies like they are, you'd be seeing the same designs all over the streets


think of it this way, would Sony allow Suny to sell TV's? or would they try to ban that product in the country??

all it takes is someone to start selling similar items for other companies to start replicating phones, before long you wont be able to tell the difference by looking at it...

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 19:21

101. gallitoking (Posts: 4680; Member since: 17 May 2011)


you are a hypocrite like everyone else... you critise Apple for taking it s business elsewhere and not bring jobs in the US but when it comes to support the company.. you give your back to them and side with the other comoany not in the US... is because people like you Sniggly... they want the jobs here but are not willing to move a finger to make it happen... great.....

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 22:04

105. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


can we get a gibberish translator for gallito? its so hard to understand his nonsense.

i dont see your point (if u had one). Apple hides a lot of their money off shore to lessen their tax burden. 95% of their employees are outside of america if you count foxconn. What exactly is apple doing besides making themselves filthy rich that makes them such a great american company?

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 13:17

84. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


For the record Chevy makes it's parts overseas and most of the assembly is done in Mexico. WooHoo NAFTA

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 11:08 1

58. mike (unregistered)


taco, are you thinking straight?? Sure, apple corporate is based in the usa, but all of their production is in china and the far east. If anything, these american companies, such as Apple, are destroying our country by outsourcing the less desirable components of their manufacturing to asia. Either way, if your buying something cellular related, your buying a product assembled by an asian worker, NOT an american. So get your overly patriotic facts sorted and realize that this is just a corporate game that will exist as long as long as smartphones do. If anything, as Americans, we spur on these wastes of taxpayer dollars by buying whatever new, barely improved new smartphone hits the market. We are by far the dumbest consumer market. thank you america.

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 11:39

67. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


soooo....Samsung helps us out by coming to our country, violating patent laws....and making a quick buck off it.....sounds very helpful....

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 11:39 3

66. taz89 (Posts: 2009; Member since: 03 May 2011)


lol this is not america vs korea...are you that immature to think like that...both samsung and apple provide jobs not just america but other countries too...this just too companys that is suing one another not two countries going to war...and apple is just being apple saying you cant do this bull again...apple make great products but apple as a company is just people full of hypocrites...

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 11:41

68. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


So if you were a Google CEO and Apple copied your little green Android, just colored red instead and put some glasses on it, would you sue Apple?

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 12:09 1

69. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


no he probably wouldn't.
because android is open source dumass, if you want, you can take it. google doesn't care O.o
you apple fanboys really are something,huh?
when apple stole the notification bar from android, you were all whoopty-doo!

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 12:20

70. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


Lol, I said if he was you idiot, if I was a Google CEO I wouldnt give it out for free, I'd make a profit, what is going on with Google is its like a drug dealer, they give you some for free at first to get you hooked, they can afford it, why not, they will then start charging a small amount for the OS from each company....and go on from there, we'll see what you have to say in a couple of years

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 13:20

85. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


Yea, they thought Google would charge something a couple of years ago too. And guess what, they didn't and still don't. Your not very bright are you?

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 14:03

91. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


ok, we shall see lol

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 13:28

87. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


Google makes most (almost all) their money from their search engine and from advertisers on it. By marketing Android to make their search engine more widespread more devices more hits more money.

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 12:33

73. GALAXY-S (Posts: 701; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


Im glad verizon is standing up to apple.. I def. do not agree with the banning of the product specially if its helping develop a new technology Such as LTE or the NFC chip on phones.. Apple iphone does not have any of those features so it will not help verizon or any other company trying to move foward in technology.. if companies keep listening to apple and continue to ban these devices they will not advance... If verizon depended on apple iphone they would prob not have the great LTE network they have now.. If i were verizon ceo i would love to sell the iphone aswell because of the profit it brings in and it will make idiots sign a 2 year contract all because of the apple logo , but when it comes to the technology part of the company and advancement... Yeah apple is not welcome to interupt

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 12:52

78. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


"The ITC cannot force a company to pay a fine to another firm. What it can do is to block imports of a product it rules is infringing on patents."

http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTCs-latest-complaint-against-Apple-is-heading-to-the-ITC_id22471

maybe this is why Apple is banning instead of suing for monetary gains?? Just sayin'.....tools

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 13:14

83. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


So then if they'd prefer royalties, why not go elsewhere than the ITC? It's stupid. "Hey, Samsung has a launcher that stays open in the app drawer and looks kinda like ours. Based on that and the fact that two minimalist designs look familiar, they shouldn't be allowed to sell their product at all, despite all the independent research and effort THEY put into it!"

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 13:22

86. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


Looks like a coordinated attack to me. Haha, sucks for crApple!

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 13:33

88. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


No that is what the court's are for, dillhole. The courts order monetary damages and can enforce them.
Apple is trying to stop Samsung from selling products that will have better technologies than their own products. Apple was buying technology for their devices from Samsung so at least they could stay at the same level, but when Sammy told Apple no regarding buying the Samsung SuperAmoledPlus HD display. Apple freaked and this is their course of action to try to slow down Samsung so they can struggle to catch up.

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 14:05

92. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


in the business world, you do what you gotta do to stay ahead of the competition

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 20:34

104. ngo2dd (Posts: 777; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


wow when you lost an argument you have to attack people. I hope to god that you are a little kid and not a grown ass man

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 21:48

106. Axial (unregistered)


You know, this whole ordeal is reminiscent of the Apple vs. Microsoft case regarding Windows and ripping off of Mac OS. Apple has a very specific game they play: they try to innovate something and then corner every single little piece about it so that absolutely nobody can make anything comparable without having to pay them. It's a sound business strategy, and they are getting better at it by filing for patents before the product goes to market that way there is less of a mad dash to the PTO. They have every right to protect anything they actually did innovate.

On the other hand, we have the upstart getting inspired by Apple's ideas, and then morphing them into a product with its own identity. This may involve blatant violation of patent rights, but the name of this counter-game is to make the infringed-upon patent so ubiquitous that it becomes public domain or fair-use, and do it all before you get taken to court over it. On the surface, this appears to be what Google has done with certain aspects of Android.

The deal with Samsung is that they took a bit too much liberty with their inspirations. Look at the comparison picture, no lenses. I can honestly say that the particular Galaxy S hardware layout and app launcher they are taking issue with are about identical to Apple's. That said, Apple has shot themselves in the foot by making their designs so base and so minimalist that you can't help but consider: how many other ways can you make this? You can do a straight list or you can do a grid. Maybe someone wants to try a wheel, but really, come on. But again, that's the name of Apple's game: be the only one allowed to make this feature by executing it in the only logical ways.

As for the Galaxy Tab, that one is Apple being afraid of competition. Pure and simple. You can only make a slate so many ways, man. And no, customers will NOT be confused in the store because A.) Apple products NEVER mingle with everybody else's on the selling floor, and B.) All the products are locked away behind cases and the customer makes a decision based on the display model; there is absolutely no way to mistake a GalaxyTab for an iPad. That said, both are equally useless in my eyes, because I can't use a full-featured Photoshop on either.

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