Apple to fend off the Android onslaught with a 4" screen on the next iPhone
It makes a lot of sense, considering people's fascination with larger screen real estate, brought on by flagship Android handsets like the Samsung Galaxy S, which proved that phones with bigger windows are not unwieldy, if the design is done right.
Still, Digitimes is not always the most credible source, despite our wish for a larger screen iPhone. Coupled with the rumor about the smallish iPhone nano that is in the works, this might mean that Apple will diversify its iPhone portfolio, and drift away from the one-size-fits-all approach.
What will happen with the resolution and the Retina Display moniker, if these 4" screens are not just tests, is anyone's guess.
source: Digitimes via Electronista
1. E.N. (Posts: 2534; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I don't buy it. This time last year the screen of the new iPhone was leaked and people said that iPhone was going to sport a 3.7 inch screen but that turned out false. But if it is true, I'll be happy if the phone doesn't get any larger (just the screen) and if the applications still manages to keep it's quality. I don't know how that's all possible with a 4'' screen.
21. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
I don't buy it either. Why would apple wait until THIS year to make the screen bigger. They would have done it last year when they made the retina if they wanted to do it.
25. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
it could have been a supply issue for the 4 inch size. maybe they just didnt like the way it looked.
2. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)
Apple's market is saturated and everyone who wants an iphone already has one, so they have to do something. I don't think it will help, but what do they have left to try?
3. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
I hope this is true. I would be so happy if the next iphone would come with a 4 inch display. But if not, 3.5 is still not bad. But I really think that a UI update is needed. The iphone's UI hasn't changed since the first one. Not that there's a problem with it, but a fresh UI won't be bad either and would be good for the iphone. Most especially that Apple does not allow 3rd party themes.
4. lyle0825 (unregistered)
With the current flow of these fantastic new phones, Steve Jobs will need bigger screen and probably the help of few good lookin half naked cheerleaders on stage for his iPhone5 realese !!!!
5. Slammer (Posts: 1398; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
Phone Arena said:
"Still, Digitimes is not always the most credible source, despite our wish for a larger screen iPhone"
This adds to the list of many other wish items that Apple did not include on the device over the years, yet the cult following would still purchase the phone.
My generation walked away from companies that didn't offer what everyone else was offering. Apple was one of these companies and they almost died. That is how we get our points across to this company that makes more profit on a single device more than any other product. They offer the least possible at the highest price. Well, not with my money.
The new generation only cares about "Cool". It doesn't matter if the phone lacks things they wish they had. They continue to pump their money into Apple's pockets just to say: "Look what I got". Info sites such as this one, make this argument more magnified as they not only support this practice, but also advertise it as bait for unsuspecting consumers. When are people going to realize what Apple is doing here?
Last week, a Facebook friend that is of this generation, wrote on her page and said: "Just got an iphone. Be jealous!" Someone wrote back and said "Apple Dumpling Gang is now +1".
I guess that explains the popularity to a tee. They have no clue on what they don't have. No clue on how Apple operates. No clue what any other platform offers. They only know, their friends have one and they wanted one too. Now that she does, she is going to flaunt stereotypical status quo in other's faces. Afterall, this is more important than functionality.
20. E.N. (Posts: 2534; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
If the coolest device happens to be one of the best devices, so be it. My wishlist is a new UI and better notifications. Why don't you Android users have a wish list? Because you're too busy complaining and thinking about iPhone. That's why you hardly hear about what Android needs to update.
I'm glad that Google finally put the android market online because we can now all see how much it sucks. And why is the android web navigation so choppy...still!! Apple, Palm and Windows got it right on their debut phones, why can't Android get right 3 years later. Other than the home-screen, Android's UI is flat out boring and ugly. Google should throw in some color into some of those menus. Whenever Apple does come up with notifications on iPhone (most likely this summer), it will look tons better, I'm sure. Copy and paste is frustrating on Android. This needs to be fixed too.
I don't know if this is still a problem, but on the Droid you couldn't pinch zoom in email. That was super annoying. Come on, if you're going to steal pinch to zoom, do it right, lol.
And although Apple's UI hasn't changed, neither has Android's. It's the same exact layout since the G1, different widgets.
And how did the android manufacturers let iphone beat their camera quality when a year and a half ago it didn't even have a video camera? I think the transition is hilarious. Android, Blackberry storm people and samsung instinct people were complaining left and right and now it's quiet.
And I agree with the walking away from companies that you're unhappy with. And going from that, you guys have yourselves to blame for all this fragmentation and non-updates. The manufacturers know that you will buy their next model if they don't update, so what's the point. Samsung is known for not updating but the galaxy s2 will still be a major hit regardless. And if you they again fail to keep up with updates, you guys will pout and pretend as if you're surprised and didn't know and start the cycle all over again
So people need to stop worrying about Apple. Can I enjoy reading rumors and comments with having to read about sheep, what's cool, and why I'm so stupid for having an iPhone?
26. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the iphone is a fine device. It doesnt have the features of the competition... or the ability to keep a call from dropping.. lol.
no phone is for everyone, but apple has a long history of over pricing and under delivering on new devices. We make fun of ibots because u buy the same device over n over again for 1 new feature.
As far as an android wishlist?
-end huge manufacturer customizations
-better quality camera software
-better battery use
-wash my car
Android has gone through multiple major revisions since the G1, Apple has not.
6. Ash (unregistered)
No, Steve said nobody will buy phones with screen larger than 3.5".
9. Socalvenom (unregistered)
looks like HTC and Samsung proved him wrong ! like always
7. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)
The retina display would remain as sharp as long as they kept the same pixels per inch, the resolution would increase with the size.
22. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
but this would force new apps to be developed
8. T DAWGv12 (Posts: 13; Member since: 09 Dec 2009)
A 4" screen would be the next logical step for steve "the junk peddling gypsy" jobbs and his clear plan of keeping apples products a solid two generations behind current tech but with oh-so-current pricing schemes, and I stress schemes.
10. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Apple's really only constrained by the form factor - they can only make an iPhone as wide as the myriad iPod/iPhone-ready docks (stereos, speakers, etc.) The best way to bump up the screen size would be to change the aspect ratio. If they increase from the current 960x640 (1.5:1) display to 1138x640 (16:9), they would still have a 'retina display' but the size would increase from 3.5" to 3.97". They would just need to update iOS to support the new aspect ratio.
11. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
...and then Steve can call it the iPhone HD.
12. Robes (unregistered)
@John B. Aka Slammer
The thing is.. You could call a few iPhone users blind and say that they go on day to day without ever trying anything else to see what Apple is leaving out or keeping them from having but honestly where do you get that crap?! I guess you assume that new iPhone users crawl out from under rocks and that the iPhone is there very first phone. But if you really thought before you typed then you'd have realize that they probably came from some other phone and platform. So they probably already know what they get or don't get by switching to the iPhone huh? Or do you think that you're the only person on the planet smart enough to do a little research on this big www(Internet) thing? I, for instance, have had the palm pre, the original droid, the proud incredible, and the evo 4g. Why? Because I can afford to experiment and see what each platform offers. Web OS is beautiful and kicks Androids a&$ like a mouse against a lion when it comes to everything that matters. In my mind Web OS is te only true competitor to the iPhone. Not in sales but in the beauty and smoothness of the interface. Also in plain usefulness. But it lacks one thing that Apple has over all platforms. iTunes and tons of apps and games. iTunes is the biggest www(lol) music store and moves more movies and tv episodes than any company on te planet. Do the research. Sales and rentals. So you put that with the best camera around and the best looking video recorded. And don't forget the retina display. Nothing beats it. My only complain was that I'd like for it to be a little bigger. I suggest that you stop putting people into boxes. It just puts you into one. A box filled with people who hate Apple for no reason. And that box fits into a larger box with the label HATER across the top. How can you assume that you know exactly who iPhone owners are and why they buy it. That's Luke saying all white people can't dance and all black guys can dunk a basketball. We know that both of those are lies don't we? Just buy what you like and allow others to do the same. LIVE AND LET LIVE! Or live and let die. Depends on how you choose to see it.
14. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)
5MP is the best camera? I hear the Droid X and Droid Incredible have 8MP cameras and HD video recording....but thats not as good as crApples 5MP, right?
18. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Number of megapixels doesn't matter, it's the lens and processing that makes a picture look great. I've seen 8 MP cameras that look like 1 MP because the hardware and software were both crap. So instead of looking at it as a whose-is-bigger issue, look at photo quality. From what I've read, the 5 MP in the iPhone IS one of the best out there.
31. RVM (unregistered)
sorry but N8's camera is much better then iPhone's.
13. jd829 (Posts: 155; Member since: 24 Feb 2010)
How about they leave the screen how it is and maybe try putting the antenna on the inside of the phone so people can actually use it as a phone?
Just a thought...
15. Sniggly (Posts: 7253; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Well, great. Nice to see them going for a larger screen, if this is true. Lol @ Phonearena saying that another site isn't the most reliable source of information. Oh, the hypocrisy.
I think people don't realize that since the original Motorola Droid came out and kick started the Android invasion, Apple has been playing catch up in many ways. There is nothing that the iPhone exclusively does which no Android phone can match, and it's beaten in many ways. Yet Apple is still worshipped. Granted, in a general sense they do construct their devices very well, and they're pretty good at aesthetics. But they are NOT the innovators they market themselves to be.
Anyway, Robes, WebOS is okay, but it has yet to be put on a device which can compete with any Android device. The Pre and Pixi were nice, but they just weren't capable. And WebOS is just plain limited in its features and functionality; not to mention the limitations of its app market.
However, Android Market is big enough now that it can easily compete with Apple's App Store in terms of worthwhile apps. High end Android devices continue to either match or beat the iPhone's specs. And there's a variety of devices out there; if you don't like Motorola, you can try HTC, Samsung, Dell, Sony Ericcson... the list goes on.
Anyway, there's my two cents. Don't spend it all in one place.
19. E.N. (Posts: 2534; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
How about build quality, application store and developer support, touch screen smoothness and unchoppiness (especially in the browser), music player, retina display, etc. The applications are a big deal. The app store is a reason alone to buy iphone over Android. I've been editing videos and uploading them online even before iMovie on my iPhone 3GS
You guys don't have to like iPhone but quit being so blind. People switch to Android from Apple because they like Android better but why do people switch from android to iPhone? Because it's great phone too! Understand that. My gawd, if Android was as perfect as everyone makes it seem, then no one would be leaving Android. When the Verizon iPhone was available for pre-order how many "I'm replacing my Droid (X) with the iPhone 4" did I read? A lot!
Some of the same people who were bashing Apple said that they were getting a Verizon iPhone 4 just to "try it out." yeah sure they are. And this is just the iPhone 4, wait until the iPhone 5
23. Sniggly (Posts: 7253; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Build quality? How many times can you drop your iPhone 4? Once? Maybe twice? iPhones also have average to poorer failure rates compared to other smartphones. Retina display? Marketing bullshit. Apps? App market is catching up to Apple even in places where the app store beats it, and some apps that cost money on the app store are totally free on the Market. Developer support? How can you not have it with a totally open source code? How about a completely non arbitrary selection process for apps? Baby shaker has yet to appear on Android phones. Okay, so things are a little smoother on the iPhone. At least on brand new ones. I haven't played with any that have been used for a little while.
As for reasons why people might go to iPhone over Android, okay, there are a few who legitimately like iPhone better after unbiased testing. But when I sold Verizon products, anyone who came in asking for an iPhone had no honest to God clue why, except that it was "cool." Apple is incredibly good at their marketing; a lesser company would have been destroyed by the Baby Shaker or Antennagate embarrassments. And what they do make is usually of a good quality. But they are not the most advanced game in town. Feature wise they will fall into "also ran" status. Give them credit for what they've done, but iPhone is not the Jesus phone.
27. E.N. (Posts: 2534; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I 100% agree with you. iPhone is not the Jesus phone and depending on what you're looking for iPhone may defintely not be the phone for you. And although I disagree with things like the retina display being marketing bull, I was just replying to his comment. He said "There is nothing that the iPhone exclusively does which no Android phone can match," You can defintely create a list of things Android can do but iPhone can't, but that's not what he asked for and secondly, I think we've exhausted that list in the last 7 months.
28. Sniggly (Posts: 7253; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
*ahem* I'm the same guy you commented to originally. :)
I think we actually agree. We both acknowledge that the iPhone isn't perfect or even the game changer it acts like it is. We both agree that it's a quality device and that some people legitimately like it even with knowledge of other devices and their capabilities.
Am I right? Or are there any sticking points here?
16. Slammer (Posts: 1398; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
"I guess you assume that new iPhone users crawl out from under rocks and that the iPhone is there very first phone."
As a matter of fact, most of the individuals I have witnessed purchasing iphones, came from having Envs or other types of feature texting phones. So in essence, it is their very first smartphone. Half didn't even want to try an Android. A very small percentage bought on research. They were waiting for their upgrades to be valid. The largest percentage bought on what their friends have or what they have heard.
Before you call me a hater, I was a diehard Apple supporter for many years. As I grew older and saw how Apple wanted to be in control and remain proprietary from the rest of the world. I, as millions of others, walked away. At my age(50 to be exact), I try very hard not to shoot from the hip. I observe behavior in trends. The iphone currently fits the MO. You cannot tell me Apple hasn't made tons of profit by omitting key features all through out its existence. Having a hit product as the iphone, attracted the attention of a new generation that didn't deal with apple as we did.
Maybe you like pumping dollars into Apple's ecosystem. I won't. I will not allow someone that I pay good money, to dictate what I can have or not have. The wireless industry is already restrictive enough. Wouldn't you agree?
If you enjoy your iproduct, that is fine. I will not change my position on what I have already experienced.
And to agree with you on one point, WebOS is amazing. I await the tablet which HP plans to release. Hopefully, it will not be a world of dictatorship as Apple is.
17. LionStone (Posts: 547; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)
Whoa! A 4" screen! Horrors no..."dead on arrival"...lol :-)
24. Slammer (Posts: 1398; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
I never said Android was better, at least in quality that is. If you re-read my post, you will see that I never claimed this. My beef as never been quality on Apple's part. It is the power hungry dictatorship within the compounds of a world of its own. Proprietary standards they say is world standard while the majority of the population states differently by usage. They tell their consumers what they want or don't want, and charge a ransom to follow these rules leaving those followers to make modifications to their investments as in jailbreaking. There should be mimimal practice of this. Apple is making huge profits off of products that do not offer what competition does. Apple feels they can get away with it because people don't care. You don't see problem with this? It took our generation and the generation before mine, to make a stand. This new generation, just doesn't seem to care.
We could argue the fact for windows. Yes we walked away to a less polished system because the principle was more defined on what we were looking for. ---The right to choose what we want for what we spend.
I can guarantee that if we were talking about something other than the iproducts, you would be more passionate of what I'm saying. Sometimes, principle trumps quality. Just because Apple does many things better, doesn't mean you bargain with free choice. If Apple,was paying you, I could say you have a case. I know that most individuals didn't purchase on quality. They bought with little knowledge of what the iphone actually does. That is my main bone of contention.
I understand your argument for what Apple does right, but don't let it camoflage the point of past and current practices of how they manipulate perception of it being the almighty. Other platforms do alot of things right also. I happen to like doing more with my device without modifying it to get what I want or need.
29. Sniggly (Posts: 7253; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
John B., I think your point can be summarized as: Apple have a kickass marketing team, the current generation has fallen victim to that, Apple takes advantage of its customers. :D
30. xxa4hxx (unregistered)
I would say I have had many phones pres on launch, instinct near launch, iphone on launch of every gen but iphone 4. I have had android phones, blackberrys, sidekicks, many verisons of windows phone. Right now havent decided on my next phone, I have looked at atrix, inspire 4g, and many others. I dont like closed and apple thinking but some apps are far better then on android or blackberry. I think they got some things right besides all sheep. They got unified standard which makes it easy to develop for. Window phone 7 is starting what android needs to start. My biggest complain about android is which phone can run what. Id like a more unified standard so we can start seeing more graphical gaming and productive tools. I just feel like in old linux system on it at times. Blackberry is following behind and produces a few readability issues on blackberry network although it isnt much from my experience. Palm just needs more designs and I could be allowable with two standards one for cheap pixi device, and one for higher in devices palm pre and up.
Ps. I am horrible at grammar but I am better with computers and so on.