Apple takes a cue from Google's 20% time
0. phoneArena 12 Nov 2012, 20:25 posted on
Many companies are starting to realize these days that if you have talented people in your company, it's probably a good idea to give them a bit of freedom to follow their passions a bit. Google has been the most famous example with its "20% time" and now Apple is joining in the fun...
This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here
1. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3224; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
The birth of even more innovation. Apple will produce even greater things.
16. tedkord (Posts: 4285; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
As usual, by stealing an idea from someone else.
26. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I gave you a thumbs up Mxy. Your posts are getting a lil more stable, sensible... kudos.
27. networkdood (Posts: 6250; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Well, they did copy Google - "Apple takes a cue from Google's 20% time"
33. adelta90 (Posts: 63; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)
yes, when innovation = something already done so long ago people dont remember it anymore
36. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Uh huh. About time.
Of course, this was originally a Google idea. Gonna give them credit for that?
Of course you won't.
49. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
I'm starting to think that this guy is just the best troll that ever lived.
I mean, you can't say that with a straight face.
56. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
You can when all that comes out of your mouth is baabaababble......
37. groupsacc (Posts: 232; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)
Why do I get this strong prejudicial urge to thumb you down every time I see your name and avatar in these forums? I don't even read your posts any more, I just go straight for the thumbs down button. LOL
40. aburgerBuksie (Posts: 15; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
By saying apple will produce even greater things, do u mean that they wil start to produce something better this time or just slap a different case on and call it the best thing they've made thus far. Like for example the iphone, its all just a 4s with a different case and crappier screen.
46. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
more stolen things from competitors via stolen working-time style ;)
and.....wait for it...
and cry because you will never have this:
goo [dot] gl/HKWIP
48. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
this was reported as a spam? youtube link is spam? :)
60. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
If this is the case, you must think Samsung is really innovative too.
62. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 847; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
At least they're trying something that works to make something new instead of a lot of the same ol thing.
2. mydi.maus (unregistered)
41. Commentator (Posts: 2295; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
3M has been doing the same thing (albeit with 15% time) for decades.
3. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)
seems very futuristic of apple to not seem so pushy and strict, like there's a new, happier boss
5. nobelset (Posts: 268; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
I prefer Steve. He was a guy that could get any dumb people to buy his products at high prices. In the marketing sector, that's pretty good :D
17. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
You may prefer Android, but the iPhone is still a great phone. Personalization and "freedom" isn't the only reason to buy a smartphone.
28. networkdood (Posts: 6250; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Oh true, I mean people love overpaying for apps and extra physical storage space....that is cool
31. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Don't get mad because my apps look and work better. But that's totally fine, at least you can personalize.
32. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
It's a really sad day when you can't beat a feature phone in quality of applications, games, screen resolution and build materials :/. But hey, at least you can personalize better. That's all that matters right?
38. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
The only one Android hasn't *beaten* is screen resolution, and that's mainly because Android device screens are so much bigger.
Applications and games work really well on Android, and Android has even gotten some exclusives over the iPhone recently, like Minecraft.
Build materials is a debatable subject. Polycarbonate and plastic may not *look* or *feel* as nice as glass, but they sure as hell hold up better. Form should follow function. A phone shouldn't become completely impossible to hold safely simply because it's dropped, and shouldn't require extra protection (which compromises its aesthetic value) in order to survive.
You could even argue that Motorola has surpassed Apple in the build materials department several times over. Their Droid lineup always felt pretty premium (with the noted exception of the Droid 3, which was more plasticy) and the most recent additions, the Droid Razr and Razr Maxx HD look and feel premium (Kevlar is awesome) while being built of materials that make them very tough. (Again, Kevlar is awesome).
There are many more reasons to invest in Android over iOS. iOS isn't crap, and does some things very well. However, it is no longer in any way superior to Android. Even its touted simplicity is a myth. The basics work the same on both OSes, and the more complicated tasks are arguably easier on Android. I find that the only people who return Android phones with the claim that they were "too complicated" were the people who came in wanting an iPhone to begin with (and are usually the hipster, metro, "name brands are the only worthwhile possessions" type). f**k, I even had one guy come in claiming that he had all sorts of issues with his phone, including that it wouldn't turn on. I turned it on thirty seconds later and showed it to him. He then said that it wouldn't maintain a Wifi connection. Lo and behold, the phone maintained a Wifi connection when I connected it to ours. It was hilarious how angry and pushy he got. I still gladly exchanged the phone for him, knowing that he's proof of what I know already: if someone has decided they want one thing, they'll go to extraordinary lengths to find reasons why nothing else will work for them...even if those reasons aren't true.
39. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Apple applications are better HANDS DOWN, no competiton. Apple apps look better and work better. Just take documents to go for example. It's so jittery when zooming in and out on Android devices its really sad. iBooks is also one the best if not the best pdf viewer ive used. There are tons of apps (especially games and photo editing/moving but not limited to them). Aren't some of you guys the one that's complaining about how even popular apps like Facebook suck on Android? In the short time that I owned a galaxy SIII, some of the apps I really wanted we're not unavailable.
Don't even begin to compare exclusives because the App Store has the Play Market beat. And as far as I'm concerned Minecraft is not an Android exclusive. The Play Store has very quickly become the "Me Too" store. I waited over 2 years for one of my favorite apps to make its way to the Play Store and that was because it wasn't by a big name developer like Rovio.
I've given Android a fair try many times and although personalization was cute and all (and I did like the access to files), it ultimately didn't meet my standards.
Android is great, but its not the best at everything, sorry. And just for the record Im not the one who started this whole debate.
43. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Ah, but you continued it with rather fallacious claims. Almost every app I've ever tried (which numbers in the hundreds now) has worked pretty well on Android, especially recently. My point about exclusives on Android wasn't that the Play Store is *better,* just that app availability isn't even an issue anymore. If what you want isn't available on one platform or another, it soon will be. I had a couple customers come in and name apps they thought were exclusive to iOS, only to be shown that those apps had been recently added to the Play Store.
I haven't used Docs to Go, and I certainly haven't tried iBooks, but Kindle works really well for PDFs and I use Drive frequently. I don't understand this insistence you have that Apple apps look and work better as a blanket statement. I know of at least one review on the Android version of Temple Run which gave the opinion that it looked and worked better than the iOS version. And really, you can't deny that even where Android lags slightly behind, it's gaining ground quickly on iOS.
I complain that the Facebook app sucks on Android, but I'm also not impressed with the iOS app. I still haven't found anyone who owns an iPhone and can tell me how to delete individual messages in a thread. On Android, however, I found the solution in two seconds: press and hold, which is a common way to bring up more options throughout the Android operating system, and "Delete" pops up. Obviously press and hold doesn't exist on iOS, so that option isn't available. The only thing I didn't think to try was a swipe gesture across the message when I was trying to figure it out, but it shouldn't have been a mystery in the first place if iOS is so "easy."
See, to me it doesn't matter who starts a debate. All that matters is who is wrong and who is right. I am of the very strong opinion that you are being unnecessarily dismissive of a platform which you simply don't like, and just like the guy who returned that Atrix HD, you're doing whatever you can to conjure reasons to dislike it.
Good luck with that.
Oh, and one more thing. I appreciate that you conceded the points about build quality and screen resolution. It would have been dishonest of you to argue those points. I'm happy you didn't.
54. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
Correction. The new 1080p screen has beaten Apple's screen resolution.
also, i agree completely that android is easier to use. I tried using an iPad and it was so confusing and unintuitive. i immediately asked for a galaxy tab which is much better.
57. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
HTC has surpassed Apple in build quality as well, imo. Also, HTC is about to smash the iPhone 5's screen resolution with the Droid DNA. That beast is going to smash ALL other displays released on phones in the US.
52. lyndon420 (Posts: 1687; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Let me guess...the apple logo on the back is enough reason for you to buy it?
63. gallitoking (Posts: 4682; Member since: 17 May 2011)
there is more than just a logo.. ask the Nike and Reebok brand
6. wendygarett (unregistered)
Sign me in Apple :)
47. Rocksteady (Posts: 196; Member since: 29 Apr 2012)
But they mentioned that employees eligible for this approach must be "talented"
59. Rocksteady (Posts: 196; Member since: 29 Apr 2012)
I was aiming at wendy, but still your comment makes sense.
Have a nice day.
7. structureman116 (Posts: 135; Member since: 14 Sep 2010)
Once again, Apple is copying a more innovative, more technologically advanced company!!
12. blingblingthing (Posts: 420; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
When will they adopt their pricing model?
20. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
You guys can't be stupid enough to really believe that Google is the only company that allows their employes to get paid for independent work. As the writer said, Google is the most famous "example".
One of the reasons why these companies pay you is not only to encourage new ideas, its also so that anything you come up with belongs to the company you work for.
13. MeoCao (unregistered)
The key is to know if some 1 is talent or not. If you make mistakes you can cause chaos in the company.
Google founders are talented scientists and they know who has qualities similar to themselves and have trust in such people. This trait is passed down the ranks at Google so Google has open and creative culture.
Steve Jobs is said to have believed only in himself and he created a closed culture of Apple (everything about Apple is closed and exclusive).
Tim Cook is the product of Apple's system and I don't think he can change Apple and make it more like Google, this requires the quality that Cooks doesn't have. Cook can create an efficient machine and not and open and creative organisation.
19. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
why do they even bother? They can just keep adding alphabets to their product name.
Or they can come up with new ways to screw their customers over. Perhaps they will replace the audio jack with a 2.5mm one. Then they can sell new headsets and release a new adapter.
22. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
The iPhone wasn't the first phone with a 3.5mm audio jack, but after its release there was a huge push towards 3.5mm on not just smartphones, but even on almost all feature phones.
I don't understand why you guys feel the need to complain about every single damn thing. What is there to complain about now?!?!
42. dmakun (Posts: 141; Member since: 06 Jun 2011)
So are you giving credit to the iPhone for the 3.5mm Jack now? You seem to be implying that. Dude, you appear to be one of those people still believing Apple's efforts back in 2007 were on fact "true innovation". I hate that word! Cause it's so untrue of Apple to claim that. There was Motorola & Nokia & Samsung making smart phones long before Apple & Apple borrowed (stole= innovation) ideas from predecessors. I'd only credit Apple for bringing a device that worked smoother than other existing devices back then just the same way Samsung's galaxy S phones are setting the pace today.
44. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I clearly said that the iPhone wasn't...... CAN YOU READ. I never mentioned the word innovation either, stop being delusional. Market trends happen ALL THE TIME. What I said was that before iPhones it was very common to find phones with 2.5mm and now it's extremely rare , if even at all. I think it's because of iPhone (strong emphasis on music and so competitors had to compete against that) but feel free to insert your own reasons. I hope you know that the iPhone set a lot of trends, the $199 pricing being one of them. Instead of just yapping and whining why don't you can always just tell me your own reasons of why you think there's pretty much no more 2.5mm phones.
51. dmakun (Posts: 141; Member since: 06 Jun 2011)
You are still implying the iPhone should be credited for making 3.5mm audio jacks standard my friend. In other words giving credit to Apple for that. Yes, I can read very well so stop being defensive! I might as well as well say 3.5mm jacks on android phones (since release & with its higher numbers per user) should be credited for making 3.5mm jacks standard today & not the iPhone! Now I'm sure your next argument will be who implemented it first, hence my reference to Apple's claim of "innovation" that is so NOT true.
61. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
While I don't agree, you could definitely suggest the sheer number of Android devices was responsible. The reason why I think it's iPhone is because even before the announcement of the iPhone, iPods were extremely popular and when the original iPhone was announced with a recessed headphone jack, a lot of Apple users complained. Apple then changed the headphone jack to standard with the iphone 3G and 3 months later the HTC G1 (the first Android phone) was launched with a non-standard headphone jack. A lot of users complained and said things like "even the iPhone has a standard jack".
Can we stop talking about innovation?
50. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
perhaps you don't understand. We are not 'complaining'. apple is just the butt of our jokes.
apple doesn't need employee doing their own research. the preferred method would be having a bunch of dudes dream up stuff and then patenting them.
64. gallitoking (Posts: 4682; Member since: 17 May 2011)
"apple is just the butt of our jokes"
are you sure is not the other way around
66. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
Pretty sure. With apple and their farce around, there's always humour somewhere.
67. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Other way around... Jokes are the butt of Apple?
23. D_Tech-tive (Posts: 104; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
Innovative companies are the first to do things. They go in directions few or no others think to go.
They don't make it a habit of stealing ideas, or trying to patent everything cause they put an "I" in front of it first!
What was the last USEFUL break through feature an Iphone had?
25. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Nice job Apple..
Had no idea GMail was a creation from this.
29. shuaibhere (Posts: 1297; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
I think tim cook is better than steve.....
Atleast he is little open unlike steve....
45. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Why did they have to chose Blue Sky as project name? urgh...
69. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
it's their feeble attempt to endear themselves to us.