Apple suppliers accused of being a major polluter in China
1. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
Rotten Apple is very stingy company on earth, making billions dollars in profit and spent little on suppliers and employees.
3. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
HaHA. But has eco friendly plants in the USA. Glad i'm in America. Semper Apple.
kingtrust the modeI
36. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@som. What are you trying to say then? That if Apple's contract with a supplier stipulated a $1b deal, that they should pay $2b? Is that what your business professor taught you? To pay way more than the amount stated on your contract?
54. daniel_bargs (Posts: 320; Member since: 27 Nov 2010)
maybe he's talking about corporate responsibility. that you should not take opportunity of the broken laws on poor countries just for your cause. you are getting richer but the nature is suffering.
2. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Let the Apples hit the floor!! Let the Apples hit the floor!!
4. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Word. All of them. So i can pick them up and sell them.
5. ilia1986 (unregistered)
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You can also buy an Apple Glue can for 59.99$ to put on your Apple sticker to stick it!
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7. ilia1986 (unregistered)
You cant! You need an iTunes account first. Just 99.99$ per day.
8. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Thank you so much for the info. I owe you.
37. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@illa. Itunes is free. You obviously do not know what you are talking about. That's the problem. I knew it. You think that itunes requires a membership fee, hahahaha. You're ignorant :)
50. ilia1986 (unregistered)
gemini - I am an iphone user. OBVIOUSLY I know that iTunes is free. Heck, itunes is about the only thing which is free in the whole iPhome thing. I was being sarcastic you ignorant isheep.
9. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
So most corporations that bypass enviornmental regs, exploit workforce, and generally cheat the system, do so to keep prices low. But Apple uses old technology, and uses supply chains that operate like this and still have a very pricey product, and people wonder why their market value makes them the most profitable company in the world. Buy the book Corporate Corruption for Dummies by Apple.
38. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@darthball. Where have you been all these years? US companies have been outsourcing for years now. Not just Apple. The reason is that they get tax incentives in those countries, and is cost-effective for them. That is totally legal. The problem is, you don't know a lot. You probably think it's a crime to outsource, lol. Apple products are pricey due to high demand. If you studied the basics of economics you should know about the basic rules of supply and demand and how that affects a price of a commodity. Now let me ask you this. Why did HP lower the price of the Touchpad? Why is the price of the ipad2 unchanged?
If you know economics, you should know the answer. But knowing that you are a dumb android fanboy, you're answer would be something like, "Apple brainwashed millions of consumers". Right? Lol.
10. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Dont forget about our own coal mines. SMH
11. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)
To me the worst part about this business is that Apple either doesn't really care or out right encourages the behavior.
In EVERY aspect of how Apple does business, they are in control and dictate practically EVERYTHING. This alone removes any argument that Apple just "contracts" services from these companies and "has no control" of what they do.
Apple has been known to dictate types of employees, advert placement in stores etc etc etc.
The fact they apparently do not put the same focus on the back end of their supply chain, indicates they don't care. If they DID care, I would bet my life they would have specific demands on this stuff. Either way is bad imho. Especially from a company that seems to put improtance in the enviroment.http://www.apple.com/environme
14. brant (Posts: 24; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)
#dandirk we might get thumb down but there is truth behind what you say.
39. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@dandirk. Apple is a business entity. They are not United Nations. I am not saying that they shouldn't care. But Apple has little to no influence as to how other countries' work cultures are. Apple cannot impose health care and retirement benefits in China like it is enforced here in the US.
Apple can only demand expected quality standards for their devices from their suppliers, which are all included under their contract. Apple's contract cannot include working conditions. Apple is not part of the hiring process of those suppliers, neither a part of those suppliers management. Unless you can tell us that Apple is a member of the board of directors of these suppliers, or that they're sharholders. Or if Apple is in charge of the payroll of these employees. Are they?
With or without Apple. The working conditions in these factories would be the same. But don't worry, eventually, those workers will be replaced by robots. By then, they could just rest in their homes :)
56. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)
I disagree Apple can and HAS dictated how companies run their businesses. ALL the TIME!!!
Has NOTHING to do with board of directors, employee pay etc. It has to due with apple doing business with them perioid.
Apple has never been affraid of dictating policy on their products. Demanding certain placement or their products, or special training etc...
Apple care about its image and is willing to forego sales to ensure it is done the way they want.
If they were as dedicated to their "enviromental" vision, they would apply the same pressure.
12. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
I can tell scary stories about just how much control, and secretive spying, Apple does to it's contractors. If it is going to have the Apple name on it they know what goes into the making aquireing of product and every aspect of the job. If it was wrong or illegal, Apple knew or ordered it to be done that way.
40. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@darthball. You have nothing but baseless stories. If you really do have a valid story, you could sell it to the media and be rich and you wouldn't be wasting your time here on PA.
Apple have written and binding contracts with their suppliers. It's either a supplier agrees and could be able to meet Apple's standards or they could not. As to the workers' working condition, Apple has nothing to do with it, that is the suppliers' call.
57. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)
Unless Apple really cared and wrote that into the contract.
They have whole advertising campaigns and webpages based on their green "enviroment" innitatives and goals...
Yet don't support it with the same vigor they do with their other "images"
58. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
NO!!!! I have first hand experience as a contractor working for Apple and while I will not post my info on the site if you care to hear just how crazy they are you can e-mail me and I will be more than happy to tell you my experiences.
13. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
agree with dandirk.
People ask me why I dont like apple. HERES REASON #1.
apple is known as a very controlling and very detail oriented company. they KNOW whats going on with their suppliers and how they treat their employees and the environment. All while at the same time building a new super "eco friendly" headquarters in america to keep all the iSheep looking at the shiney building, not realizing its being built on the backs of slave labor and heavy pollution.
people might come to apple's defence and say "well everyone else is doing it". really, go find me those reports and prove it. Noone else has anti-jumping nets installed around their factories from mass suicides. noone else put up a factory in 30 days and forgot to install VENTILLATION which hurt and killed many workers after the factory exploded... so on and so on... no one else.
15. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Nah nah nah naaaah!
I'm only gonna jailbreak, jail jailbreak your iPhone. I'm only gonna jailbreak, jail jailbreak your iPhone.
Now listen to me iSheep.
Before I leave yer Apple
They call me fandroid
I don't wanna deceive ya
If you bind me with iTunes
I'm not easy to please
I will tear you apart
Told you from the start - I want widgets and delight.
There's no point trying to hide it
no point trying to evade it.
I know I want FREEDOM
I don't have it with what I'm getting.
And you know SJ gonna get me back for being so cold
like a big bad Android, I'm born to be free to the bone
If you bind me with iTunes I'm gonna tear you apart
Told you from the start.
16. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Boooooo. lol. You a funny guy. I bet you drive a car. We are all guity for doing harm to our globe. What the F ever. We live and we die. God will come back and this will have all not mattered.
20. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
driving your car is a lot better than the toxic chemicals that electronics makers use in your device. nothing like murcury, other heavy metals, harsh cleaner chemicals, so on and so forth. put your head in the sand isheep and post an obama "green jobs" bumper sticker on yer booty so u can say ur helping the environment.
17. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Apple does not own these companies. They should contact their government if they find their working conditions unfavorable. Or they could simply quit their jobs and work somewhere else. But of course knowing how dense android fanboys are, they probably think that Apple owns these companies in China and that Apple is a lawmaker in China, lol. This is like a prostitute who complains why she got STD. Or a gang member who complains why he gets drive by shootings.
Are the employees of these factories mandated to work for these companies? I don't think so. Does Apple have jurisdiction over employment policies in China? I don't think so. If these companies have been approved by their government to operate the way they do. Then these companies are legal companies that Apple can contract with. Apple is in no position to give these companies orders on how they operate their business. These companies are answerable to their government, not to Apple. Therefore, Apple is not answerable to these complaints.
18. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
Wow I know that I find your opinions to vary from mine and often think of them as not well thought through, but now I'm sure you are either a trust fund baby or in High School and haven't worked in the real world.
I have worked as a contractor for Apple as a client, and have a first hand knowledge of the absolute BS control freak power Apple takes out on it's contractors. They aren't innocent in these matters.
As for these workers quitting their jobs because their company takes on a contract with a company that makes them push workers the way they do, you have no idea of what kind of economy the world is in.
22. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Do not listen to gemini, darth. His ignorance is second only to those of taco and miz.
24. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
thanks ilia but as a guy in his 40's I'm realizing that America is becoming a MLB team with no farm system. We need to educate the youth of the country better because they will be calling the shots when I'm retired.
While your right about the 3 you named, let's try to educate rather than just call them ignorant, and if they don't want to learn so be it but I'm gonna be able to look at myself in the mirror and say...." I tried to do the right thing"
25. networkdood (Posts: 4749; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Excellent analogy. There is a reason we no longer have a farm system....UNCLE SAM wants its citizen to become sheep and wants to get rid of the middle class.
31. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@networkdood. And what have you done? Just wait for what's uncle Sam is going to do next :)
If you think you know better and can do a better job than whoever is in charge, then do something about it. Why are you wasting your time here on PA?
27. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Many people on this site have tried to do the right thing, darth. Including Sniggly. All have failed.
You're right of course. We should indeed educate the young about the way the world works. Unfortunately, when a company like Apple enslaves its users into its ecosystem while at the same time giving them the illusion of perfection, we have 1984 all over again.
And by 1984 I mean Orwellian 1984.
Apple already made the "Ignorance is strength" manifestation.
Next is "Freedom is slavery" - we are halfway to that already.
It's not too soon that Apple will get to control the military - and then we will have "War is peace".
32. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@illa. Excuse me? All you android fanboys do are wait for the next article about Apple and talk s**t about it. And you hage the nerve to say that you are trying to do the right thing? Oh yes, I also read your posts in android related articles talking more s**t about Apple and Apple users that I don't even bother commenting on.
Apple is not enslaving anyone. Geez. We buy Apple products because it is our choice. You on the other hand are a dictator who does not know how to respect other users' choices. You're a hypocrite.
47. E.N. (Posts: 2216; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
@530gemini, I didn't even read your comment before posting my last comment and I see we're both on the same page more or less.
@ilia1986, reading your comments usually results in an eyeroll. Like that poem you wrote, what was that really about? Changing the world and making it a better place? No. You don't like iPhone and you want to make it known. That's really as deep as you go. That poem/song you wrote is pretty terrible and I seriously doubt you should (or even can) be teaching anybody anything.
And this enslavement thing is really just rationalization, people just searching for all the excuses in the book to explain Apple's success. Apple is enslaving its customers, iPhone users are stupid, iPhone users can't think for themselves, iPhone users like shiny things, blah blah whatever gets you to sleep at night. Maybe people just like their devices and are so satisfied that they are willing to purchase the next device.
Like I've said before, Android's success is based primarily on the ability to decroate the homescreen and the wide availability on many carriers. Without the homescreen, most everyone would probably have an iPhone. iPhone's success is based on being the first smartphone of its kind and caliber, and also because of the application store, the consistency/stability, and its aesthetics throughout the OS and hardware. I know for a fact that i wouldn't have the iPhone had they never introduced the app store. and I'm very very pleased with my device, whether that makes you unhappy or not.
51. ilia1986 (unregistered)
@gemini - lol I think your posts will be moderated. So many of them are off topic.
# E.N. Yes. You see, I believe that if people were free to tweak and change their OS - something that Apple does not allow you to do officially - and try to block it in every way - and not be confined to the whole app-store-itunes thing - the world would have been a better place.
Not all iPhone users are stupid obviously. I myself, am one. iPhone users get stupid thought if the only thing they see is the iPhone - and think that all else is crap - without checking it beforehand - even after being told and presented countless proof of the greatness of Android in regards to OS customization.
As for the App store - I have done my research. Most of the core apps - like Facebook, evernote etc are available on Android market as well. Hell, some paid apps on iOS are available for free on Android! Sure, you don't have 100,000 flashy games, but unless you're an avid gamer (and if you are - Tegra devices with Tegra zone, and SE tablets\Xplay should answer that need) - you shouldn't feel that you're missing something.
I am an iPhone 4 user, and have many many apps. More than 100. All arguably very useful. Do you know how many I use on a daily basis? Maybe 2 - 3. And that's pushing it.
Contrary to what people believe - it's not the Apps that make the phone. It's user customization. The ability to make your phone - your phone - and not look the same way like you bought it just now.
52. E.N. (Posts: 2216; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Is blackberry OS closed. So is WebOS and Windows Phone Series. Why aren't you trying to save the world from them? That's because Apple is super successful and many people like the device. So stop pretending like you're looking out for the world.
Not everyone cares about tweaking their phone. I'd rather download an application or play a game than change my keyboard or add a widget. I think that's the true difference between Android and iPhone users. If you only use 2-3, then that sucks for you dude. You're definitely not utilizing your device.
It's not user customization that makes a phone. Its the applications. Everyone knows that. We're talking smartphones here just in case you forgot, so making a phone "you" isn't really important. That's why Google is trying so hard to update its application store. That's why Microsoft was paying developers to make applications for their platform. That's a major reason why WebOS failed and RIM is failing. That's why RIM is allowing Android applications to be downloaded to their OS. That's why it took so long for Android to get into the game against Apple. That's why every year, Apple holds a developer's conference.
Customization is great, but applications are everything. Without applications, there's just nothing to do.
53. ilia1986 (unregistered)
First of all - BB is almost dead, WebOS IS dead, and Microsoft actually endorses users to hack their device, and has no objections whatsoever to that. They even applauded the team which put WP7 on the HD2. Besides, WP7 is a very new OS. We should give it some time.
As for the App vs customization thing - you're wrong. You see, the vast majority of smartphones in the US are Android phones. Now, that means two things:
1. The Android market place is as much as capable as the App store in terms of app availability for the masses. That means you're wrong to say that the Android market is inferior to the App Store.
2. People - like myself - don't care as much about apps - but more about other things - like user customization, widgets (which are different from apps as they are always there without you needing to launch them), custom roms, etc. That means that you're wrong to say that all people care about are apps.
In either case - you are wrong.
46. E.N. (Posts: 2216; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Please stop making yourself sound like a hero. You like Android good for you. But trying to convince people to like Android too is not being superman. Yes you've failed to convince people to go Android because whether or not you like, people like their iPhones. Many people have concrete reasons why they prefer iPhone and other Apple products. Many people have used Android and iPhone and many have used Windows and Mac OS and still choose Apple products. I don't see where the enslavement and illusion comes in.
And all this pretense is pretty annoying. I'm with you guys and believe that Apple should improve its relationship with its suppliers, but lets not pretend that's the reason you guys hate Apple. I think this and the patent wars is more like icing on the cake as opposed to the true core reason. iPhone is super successful, many people think iPhone/Apple products are better and that's why you guys have a problem.
30. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@illa. I am far from being ignorant. You on the other are just a pathetic hater who would grab any opportunity to pull Apple down.
29. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@darthball. Anyone in here can say that they have worked for Apple. So please. If you know something, instead of bragging in here as an anonymous blogger, go take your proof somewhere where it can serve some use. Otherwise, cut the BS.
Those people need work to survive. With or without Apple, I don't think their working conditions would change. So don't point fingers at Apple. Apple is not even a shareholder nor a board member of these factories. They are not liable. It is the Chinese government's duty to protect their working citizens, not Apple's.
19. corporateJP (Posts: 915; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
I'm sorry...what on earth is that man in the picture doing to that Apple device and would he like some Duck Sauce?
21. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
How do you idiots think android phones are made?
23. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Quickly - hide your children and wives, lest they become corrupted by this insufferable stupidity.
26. networkdood (Posts: 4749; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Yeah, good point. Maybe Samsung, HTC, LG and MOTO/GOOGLE are just as bad.
28. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
yeah maybe they are, so you're saying they just are smart enough not to get caught
34. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@darthball. What do you mean "get caught"? You're insinuating that Apple is already guilty and got caught. Typical android fanboy. Dumb :)
33. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@Taco. I don't think anyone cares because they're small time clients in those Chinese factories, lol.
35. theBankRobber (unregistered)
I thought it was always, A Apple A Day Keeps The Doctor Away? Not only do they enslave the workers for penies on the dollar to make their product, but NOW they pollute the air they breath.
41. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@thebankrobber. Apple is not China. Go talk to the Chinese government. Better yet, go run for China's president in their next election.
42. theBankRobber (unregistered)
All of your comments are just defending Apple, even when they are at fault. The problem is they are not trying to help find a better solution to help with the issues they are accused of. Why are you so far down on Apples D!ck, you keep telling people to talk to chinas government, how much of a fag are you? You act like apple is your life and if they have issues then its your issues. Unless you are a stock holder of Apple, then just SHUT THE FU¿K UP
43. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@thebankrobber. That's because all android fanboys' comments are attacking Apple unfairly like Apple is to be blamed for poor working conditions in China.
How can Apple be at fault? And how can anyone even accuse Apple when Apple does not own these suppliers. Apple is only contracted with them. And before you ask me why I defend Apple, maybe you should ask your self as well as to why you are blaming Apple for something that they are not liable for. You are a prick. No I am not an Apple stockholder. How about you? Are you employed by one of those suppliers? If not, then shut the f**k up as well :)
45. theBankRobber (unregistered)
I only make remarks about the situation, just like u isheep who rag on any Android post weather its good or bad. Why not turn the tables a little, give u isheep a taste of your own medicine. This is not the 1st time employees of these companies have had a problem, but when they reach out to Apple to try and get help, Apple turns their back as if they don't care. As long as Apple is making money, they don't care about anybody's condition. Apple knows what kind of materials their products are made out of and how dangerous they are if not properly handled. You figure Apple would have looked into the safe conditions of these companies before choosing them to make their products.
48. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@thebankrobber. Oh please. I SELDOM see iphone users go in android related posts attacking android and its users. But look at Apple articles. It's FLOODED with android fanboys who would not want to miss any opportuniy to bash Apple and its users. Just read and compare the choice of words between android fanboys and Apple users. Android fanboys are ghetto.
Asking help from Apple? Like what? Apple to talk to the President of China? Yes, Apple is making money, but work conditions in China is none of Apple's business or concerns. It's not their territory.
You make it seem like Apple uses materials from outer space that's never been used before here on Earth. What materials do Apple use that other OEM's don't use?
Again, Apple signs a contract with these suppliers. These suppliers legally operate in China. "LEGALLY" as the active word. Apple is in no authority to run state inspections in China for work conditions. Not even here in the US. That is the government's job, not the clients'. And Apple is merely a client. And hello, Apple is not their only client. Maybe the most popular, but definitely not the only one. So why do you point a finger at Apple like they're to be responsible for every worker in China? Goodness.