Apple sues Samsung over the Galaxy line, ITC siding up with Nokia and HTC against Apple
0. phoneArena 19 Apr 2011, 02:17 posted on
Apple is taking Samsung to court, claiming that its Galaxy line, and more specifically, the Galaxy S phones and Galaxy Tab slate, are copying not only iOS elements like icons, but also the physical appearance of Apple's gadgets...
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45. Sniggly (Posts: 6760; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
If Apple has the freedom to bring on a frivolous lawsuit against Samsung and EVERY OTHER FREAKING MANUFACTURER MAKING ANDROID PHONES then Samsung has the right to mimic aspects of the iPhone's design which happen to work.
I love using the auto and computer industry as analogies. Why don't all the auto manufacturers sue each other over similar design elements such as raked back headlights, small windows, and wraparound tail lights which end in an upward facing point? Why don't all the computer manufacturers (including Apple) sue each other over use of keyboards, LCD screens, and webcams?
The fact of the matter is clear: Apple is pissed off because for once they were dominating a market instead of having a puny market share, and making a killing as a result, and now there's this startup OS which operates similarly but has fundamental differences which make it appealing to customers for different reasons than the iPhone. And now Apple isn't even getting the same chance to dominate the tablet market for very long either.
Face it: Apple is losing ground in the free market, so they're trying to use the power of the state in order to try to crush everyone encroaching on what they view as their exclusive territory. Unlike other company heads, who are okay with competition and simply try to come out with better and/or cheaper products themselves, Jobs wants to be the absolutely only game in town.
He operates like the head of a freaking dictatorship. He won't be satisfied until he's drinking the blood of his competitors from their severed heads and has enslaved the world's population to his goods and services.
Yes, I'm using hyperbole and being dramatic, Gemini. However, such strong language must be used to convey exactly what Jobs's attitude is and why I hate the man's actions. Some days I can only conclude that you're being a troll for the lulz, because I can't fathom that anyone can be truly blind like you are to the facts in front of you.
47. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
You are not making any sense at all. Since when did copying of patented designs become legal?
Again, there will ALWAYS be some similarities between devices, but to go as far as copying the edges, the shape, and all the other minute details that have been patented, that is not playing fair. All of us have eyes, ears, nose, lips, hair, etc, but we don't look identical either right? But what would you do when your neighbor had a plastic surgeon copy your face and pretend to be you?
Apple is making tons and tons of money more than its rivals. No reason for them to get insecure. But the copying of their designs need to stop. Others are benefiting out of Apple's success by merely waiting and copying what their next move is. That is very annoying. Only a blind Apple hater couldn't see the obvious copying of Apple's designs and ideas.
Truth is, those who hate Apple are enjoying all the copying that's going on since Apple haters would never buy Apple products, so you haters are glad that companies like Samsung and Google are COPYING Apple's designs and ideas.
49. Sniggly (Posts: 6760; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Samsung isn't pretending to be Apple. If they did they'd throw an Apple logo on and call it an iPhone. The general shape of two of the phones is the same, I agree. I noticed it myself. However, the phones are more than different enough that unless you're a freaking idiot you can tell them apart, even when completely uninitiated.
As for the software, the only similarity is the general look of the icons and which way the app tray scrolls. However, there are only two lateral directions a list can scroll; if Apple had some kind of double helix twist effect going on, and Samsung copied that, I'd say "okay, kinda stupid." But for god's sake, Galaxy S is NOT a carbon copy in any way.
Apple itself only copied what worked with other touchscreen phones and made theirs prettier. And to say that Google and its partners only "sit back and mimic all of Apple's moves" is disingenuous. What about the physical design of the Droid, Droid 2, Droid X, and now the Atrix/Bionic/Targa copies the iPhone's design? How about HTC? They were making touchscreen smartphones long before Apple. And the G1 didn't copy the iPhone's physical design at all.
ANDROID phones came out with dual core processors first. ANDROID phones have microSD card slots and bigger screens. ANDROID phones have higher resolution cameras. ANDROID developed its own unique notification system. ANDROID manufacturers have developed tougher and even water/shock proof phones.
So, stop whining that Apple is the innovating genius company that every other company tries to loot from. Android and most of the partner manufacturers using it are forging their own path, and overtaking iPhone by a landslide.
58. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
What an immature reply. Of course Samsung won't go as far as changing their name to Apple or naming their phones as iphones. Just shows how low your IQ is :)
There's no mention of which patented features Apple is pointing out so why are you already enumerating some, lol.
Oh so you think google just thought of venturing with android not knowing how successful the iOS became? Google just ventured on a tablet centric android os and never knew of the ipad's success? Is that what you're trying to imply. That all of these touchscreen craze, and now tablets, just came about and they have no clue of the iphone's and the ipad's success? That the LG Prada and HTC touchscreen devices pushed this trend forward, and not Apple? Nice try there.
Android launched their dual core processor phones months after the 4th gen iphone was released knowing that Apple only releases one phone a year. That's the next natural step with iphone as well. Android phonemakers were boasting about their dual core phones even before those phones were launched. That is not Apple's style. Premature marketing. Apple launches a product and releases it a week or two after. Apple could care less what the others are doing. They know that they are way ahead of the game.
What? Overtaking? Like how the xoom overtook the ipad? Hahahahahahaha
48. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Now people are wondering why is Apple so secretive about their next move? BECAUSE OTHERS WOULD COPY THEM RIGHT AWAY WHEN GIVEN THE CHANCE. Why do you think Steve w/held from Rubin Apple's plans for the ipad when Rubin was still a board member of Apple? Because he knows that google would copy it right away. And google did, a year later the ipad was released. At least it bought the ipad some significant lead. The more Apple is more secretive with their operations now, because all the copycats doing are just waiting and waiting and waiting for what's next, so they can AGAIN copy Apple's designs. Here's an obvious example. What did Samsung do right after the ipad2 was released? I need not elaborate on that.
50. Sniggly (Posts: 6760; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
And what did Apple do after it was announced that Android phones were moving toward dual core processors? How about when Android manufacturers announced tablets which introduced features that the first iPad didn't have? How about when the industry showed strong movement toward bigger screens and higher resolution cameras? Samsung introduced the Captivate, an Android phone with similar specs to the iPhone's, only weeks after Apple released the iPhone 4. Who came up with the idea of a smartphone as a plug and play processor for a laptop computer? Apple? Oh no ,wait, that was Motorola. Who offers a free navigation service on its phones that works just as well as any TomTom? Not Apple.
Companies try to do what works and what will sell.
59. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Let me educate you. Apple releases new versions of their devices annually. No new iOS device gets released every week like android devices do. So any EXPECTED improvements on the iphone won't happen until the following year. Just like dual core phones.
You're BANKING on specs numbers again. How did that help the xoom? Lol. All those devices that you've mentioned have not sold as much units as the iphone4. And you're too blind the see the truth. Users do not breathe buy specs alone.
The iphone is the standard. The others are just TRYING to compete with the iphone. And they are trying so hard by cramping in as much features and higher numbers into their phone's specs just so it can look better than the iphone, YET, it still cannot beat the iphone overall.
Others are just COPYCATS :)
70. Sniggly (Posts: 6760; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
You're not even worth it anymore, Gemini. You're useless. All you care about are sales figures for one device that gets more media attention and is marketed more aggressively than anything out there.
52. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
All components manufactures must stop selling and doing business with APPLE. APPLE will be counter suit by SAMSUNG for using it components. APPLE should make all the components by themselves or in house like SAMSUNG does.
55. jbash (Posts: 339; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)
i agree, although LG is enjoying the royaties its getting for making the retina display. If Crapple is so big and mighty then go make your own products.
75. ztedac (Posts: 69; Member since: 17 May 2010)
i would love to see that
apple will be selling a phone for hmmm... 1k minimum...
and the sheeps will buy =D
107. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Wow, you are so smart. So Samsung should sue Apple for using Samsung components that they SOLD to Apple that's used on the iphone? :)
You're a perfect example of what IQ level fandroids have :)
69. Sniggly (Posts: 6760; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Holy fuck, someone either has a votebot program or they've created TWENTY SOCK ACCOUNTS in order to create the results they have. I had ten thumbs up on a comment on the front page, and now I have 9 thumbs down? What...the...HELL?!
FIX YOUR SYSTEM, PHONEARENA!!!
71. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
So what you're trying to say is, Phone Arena is perfectly fine when you get 10 thumbs up and those against you get 10 thumbs down, but when it's the other way around, there's something wrong with Phone Arena, hmmmmm. How twisted :)
72. Sniggly (Posts: 6760; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
When it takes all day to build up to 10 thumbs up and then in a matter of an hour or two the ratings completely reverse, something is obviously suspicious.
I don't care about the ratings themselves, but someone is abusing the system.
But what do you care? All you care about is whether the iPhone sells.
79. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Hmmmm, you actually monitor your thumbs ups and downs? Lol. Now that's more suspicious :)
82. Sniggly (Posts: 6760; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I pay attention to gauge popular opinion on my comment. But I don't do much about it.
However, these flashes of thumbs up/down seem to happen whenever you show up. How suspicious.
84. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Congratulations, you're the recepient of the Ultimate Hypocrite Award :)
96. Sniggly (Posts: 6760; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
So it's hypocritical to complain about someone using multiple fake accounts to abuse the system if you pay attention to the results of that system abuse? Gemini, your posts of FAIL have transcended coherence.
106. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
It's hypocritical when you complain and accuse someone of doing something that you're actually the one doing :)
101. AppleFUD (unregistered)
Oh 530gemini we know it was you. . . within an hour everyone's thumbs ups when to double digits thumbs down and all your comments went to double digits thumbs up. . . you weren't even covert about it.
73. TechnoBoy (unregistered)
I'll probably have more downs than a hooker has on nickel night but I'm okay with that.
I can't help but laugh at the banter back and forth between both fan-bases of Apple and Android. I think what we need to realize before we go and pull the your momma's so fat and your daddy's so fat quips back and forth are the benefits that this could actually bring to the table for us consumers.
I mean think about it, we all get bored doing the same mundane activities day after day. We eventually get tired of using the same old equipment and driving the same old car. In the cell phone world today lots of phones carry many striking similarities. Just go to the review pages on this site for example many phones carry the same look and feel to them. I mean if the phone I got now is old and outdated why upgrade to the exact same style but maybe a faster chip or nothing but a slightly tweaked UI? I might as well stay with the phone I have and just blend in with the rest.
With the amount of phones out there now (past present and future) there are phones that are going to be looking a lot alike...but how many phones (and by phones I mean smart phones since we are in a smart phone centric world) actually veer off the beaten path? Really not many...the all carry the same candy bar form factor the same buttons on the side and top and front. Why not take this opportunity with the courts and say fine I'll show you different. Yes looking at a side by side of the Galaxy and Iphone they do look strikingly similar (minus the larger size). So Samsung take the opportunity to make something truly different in form factor. Give us the consumer something to make ourselves stand out besides just fancy "phone condoms (Silicone cases)"
I mean look at the Palm series they are sexy looking devices in my opinion (I wish they just had a good back up for app store like Apple and Android offers). Take that for factor and run with it ... make a device that looks nothing like we have today. Stop wasting your money on court battles and put it into some R&D. Give us consumers a device our salivary glans wont shut off over...not just software and ooo dual chip this...I don't need a dual chip processor all the time in my phone (maybe in my ice cream I'd like more chips) but why just bump up the software and re-invent the phone.
I don't really care who came first, the chicken or the egg (they're both gonna end up being eaten eventually anyway).
I'm hoping that out of this court case we can finally see new looking phones..phones that start veering apart from each other...I know don't hold your breath (as I won't because I don't like the feeling of passing out nor do I want to die) but it's worth hoping in.
74. ztedac (Posts: 69; Member since: 17 May 2010)
for isheeps....the world is revolved around apple
other companies are just shit
you can thumb down as much as you want
that just proofs how 'sheeps' you are =]
78. calamazoo (unregistered)
and now Apple won't see a Super AMOLED screen on its gadgets for the rest of its life :-)
80. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
And Samsung will lose one of their top clients :)
Apple has never used Samsung's super amoled displays anyway, and their retina display is still considered top of the class. Apple will not lose profit out of this break up, Samsung will :) Apple will just shop around for a new supplier, and I'm sure vendors will be more than happy to have Apple :)
81. calamazoo (unregistered)
yeah, cause there are so many of them offering the super amoled technology... like, none but Samsung. last year Apple was looking into AMOLED, but Samsung was nowhere near ready to produce so many displays. Now that they ramp up capacity in June with the new plant, Apple could have gone 4" Super AMOLED with Retina Display resolution and made the phone even thinner.
86. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
You speak as if super amoled is the only impressive display out there, lol. Super amoled still cannot match the retina display's clarity and natural colors. Also, it is quite obvious that Apple could care less for it now, and why would they? There are other display technologies out there that could compete well with super amoled. With the ips lcd retina display as one of them.
92. Change can happen (unregistered)
Retina display is made LG. LG is going to keep their tech and try to beat Apple like everybody else is doing. LG will give Apple a watered down retina display. Just so you know, the retina display is old news now. The Super AMOLED Plus is the new kid on the block. Do your reasearch. 530gemini you are the ultimate iSheep. You speak of Apple like they are paying you. Apple doesn't care about you! They just want your money! Apple is all about the money not the customer. Android gives it's tech to the people to do as they like. Android is about the customer, the people. God you sound so childish!
93. Change can happen (unregistered)
When Apple or Steve Jobs says jump, do you get off your knees & say how high. A true iSheep would! :-)
104. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Well maybe if you are LG's CEO you would. But sorry, LG's CEO is not a jack ass like you :) The retina display still has the highest screen resolution. So how can it be old news? Don't be silly. And who's paying you to hate on Apple? Lol. Of course Apple wants my money. Which business do not? Just shows how ignorant you are if you think that google is a non-profit, charitable institution, lol. Stop taking drugs. It's making your already poor brain worse :)
108. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3842; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Can you ever just talk? Why do you have to call people names? Aren't you just making yourself look a tad-bit bad? People can have their opinions, just like you have. Every post you make sound angry like if you are taking this way too personally. I feel like your blood pressure is real high, like your stressed out, like you are about to be diagnosed with hyper tension. 530gemini just cool it for your own good. I tell you this as a genuine observation/concern. This is not a diss to you! Just chill it's not so serious! It’s ok to be passionate, but do it moderately!
109. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3842; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
530gemini in the 40 plus min you have been on, all of a sudden everybody has thumbs down. In 16 min since my last post I got 4 thumbs down. Why are you doing this. Why do you care so much to go out of your way to give people thumbs down. Frankly you look so silly. You look so kiddie. I was just looking out for you but you really have lost it. How many fake accounts do you have? It's got to be way over 30 by my count. The math just adds up. Buddy you are struggling & giving Apple fans a bad name. Lets test you out & see how many thumbs down you give me after I post this. Ready 530gemini..... start NOW!
110. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3842; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Wow in 24 min you have given me 6 thumbs down. Dude you are so sorry! I can't get over how you are acting. It's like you are throwing a temper tantrum. It's now comical, something straight out of SNL. This is so funny. Bro you lost it, & the funny part is that everyone know you are doing it & you are still not phased. In high school you were definitely picked on, right? LMAO LOL
112. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3842; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Post 108 has now 8 thumbs down, post 109 not even 7 min old now has 2 thumbs down, I want to see what you give post 110. Dude you are not fast enough. You are doing it all wrong! LMAO I like you 530gemini if I ever need a lawyer I will hire you cause you truly fight to the death! LOL I want more thumbs down, 530gemini you are disappointing me. Don't make me get mad, because I will go on thumbs down spree! LMAO
113. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3842; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Dude this is the sorriest act I have personally witnessed in my life. 530gemini do you kick stray animals in the street, by the way you act I think you do. On your iPhone download a phone book app, Yellow pages works, then look up therapy. Don't be shy any therapy will help cause dude you are in need of ANY help that can be given. I just don't understand, or believe what you have made yourself to be. In one word you are SORRY! I love this type of entertainment. This makes the work day go by so fast. LMAO I am going to call some movie studio's to see if they can make a movie. This would be the title "530gemini how phonearena ruined his life" A tragic story of how blogging just gets out of hand! Buddy I am having so much fun from your downward spiral! This is incredible, sorry don’t get mad & protect Apple, I didn’t say Droid Incredible! LOL LMAO!!!
114. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3842; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
LMAO it's raining thumbs down. You are still not doing it quick enough! 530gemini, the man, the myth, the legend. Also the unstable human with nothing better to do that to rain thumbs down on this site. LOL 530gemini, you're my boy blue!
115. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3842; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
In a hour I have received 40 thumbs down. If you add all my thumbs down together that is. 530gemini this is a crazy thing you’re doing. It's like a Looney Tunes cartoon. I am now speechless by your determination. Nah it's still so funny! Keep up the good work my friend! LMAO.
83. Sniggly (Posts: 6760; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
And Samsung will find plenty of buyers for its AMOLED displays.
Neither company materially loses, but Apple is just cranking out bad publicity for itself. It seems no one can make a move without getting sued by Apple.
88. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Then good for Samsung.
As for bad publicity, well that would depend which side you're on. Haters already hated Apple even before they sued Samsung, so I don't think it matters. And of course, there are those who are in favor of Apple finally doing something about their copycats :) This is not the first time Apple sued another company for infringing their patents. And they actually won. Ask eMachines :)
97. Sniggly (Posts: 6760; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
What is with you overusing smileys? Throwing in those smug little self satisfied smiles just makes you look like an even bigger idiot when you're owned.
I could give half a shit about emachines. Don't like them anyway, they're cheap. If you think that Samsung copied the iPhone enough to be sued over it, then you're beyond help. I even posted images of the four major Galaxy S versions, and only two look enough alike to earn even a passing chuckle.
103. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Well because I'm a happy person. Not a grumpy asshole like you :)
Did I tell you to love eMachines? No I did not. I just wanted to let you know that Apple had sued them in the past for copying Apple devices, and Apple won. Samsung is a copycat, and they should stop copying Apple's designs.
85. koreampuff (unregistered)
we have some major apple fanboys/girls liking and disliking on this thread...
87. daniel_bargs (Posts: 323; Member since: 27 Nov 2010)
haha this stupid apple employees think rectangle shaped gadgets are their patents wahaahhaha! OMB im waiting for a dodecagon shaped phone hahahah!
118. ztedac (Posts: 69; Member since: 17 May 2010)
yah.. it's dumb eh... my ds, psp, camera, food box are all rectangle...
i guess apple wants me to buy one of their rectangle shape phones to store my food too =/
89. daniel_bargs (Posts: 323; Member since: 27 Nov 2010)
hoping the screens on iphone will be below standard haha we know samsung makes apples internals... please samsung RUIN THE SUPPLIES APPLE ORDERS!!!
91. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
I hope Samsung will :) That way Samsung can really be ruined :)
99. IaMdEbEsT (unregistered)
please just get a life i've been reading all the comments and your like the biggest hater out there and remember this, not everyone is a fandroid(as you see i do not currently own an android device) we just hate people like you for well letting yourself be controlled by apple, as there are more innovative products out there by which apple feels threatened and tries to come up with a plan to make more money by suing them, so please do us all a favor and get the hell out of here.
102. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Me? A hater? By defending Apple, I'm a hater? Lol. I know that not all android users are fandroids, but the ones posting on here are definitely fandroids. You don't like control? Well it seems to me that you definitely want to run this place as if you own it, lol. Do yourself a favor and get lost if you cannot handle it :)
116. GetHelp (unregistered)
seriously. . . seek professional help! You are very off!!!
111. Vince bug (unregistered)
Self centered american phone users, take a look at the EUROPEAN version of the Galaxy S and you'll understand why Apple is not happy!
117. ztedac (Posts: 69; Member since: 17 May 2010)
dear apple super isheep fan 530 gemini
either chinese or east indian richies will eventually buy out apple
and you will cry and cry and cry =]
btw, samsung can always sell their techs to china
121. Raj Meister (unregistered)
One thing is for certain, when the new Samsung Galaxy S3 comes available. I will be moving to android & leaving Apple iPhone hype. I would rather support a company who has their parts in the iPhone today. Samsung should never agreed to this & now is in court over Samsung's products that I want to buy here in UK.
Thanks to Apple I cannot purchase this in the high street but can order an online galaxy tablet 10.1, it is outrageous and I hope Apple looses and pays Samsung all the money they lost cos of the lawsuit.
Apple is nothing without Steve Jobs and Jobs don't care about the people in Japan even though they make the iPhone's possible. After the earthquake Jobs showed no remorse for their loss.
Apart from iPhone 5 got delayed.
"We Are The Future" - Raj Meister