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Apple says it would pay $1 per Apple iPhone to Motorola to license FRAND patents

0. phoneArena 31 Oct 2012, 19:07 posted on

Attorneys representing Apple have told a U.S. District Court in Wisconsin that the Cupertino based tech titan would be willing to pay up to $1 per iPhone for the right to license some standards-essential patents; if the court orders Apple to pay more than $1, the company says it will fight...

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posted on 31 Oct 2012, 19:12 7

1. jaoowolabi (Posts: 201; Member since: 07 Jun 2012)


That's a lot of money.....

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 19:28 4

10. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14170; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


You can't pay money for fair use.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 19:39 39

15. tedkord (Posts: 12207; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


I know. Now if Moto's patents were for something valuable like rectangles with rounded corners, or grids of icons, then they'd be worth $30 per phone.

The nerve, expecting money for something trivial like actual tech that the phone won't function without. Pfffft.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 21:49 10

33. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


Mxyzptlk runs Apple's PR team.

posted on 02 Nov 2012, 20:23 1

76. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14170; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


You blew my cover. Shame on you.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 22:56 6

45. AstronautJones (Posts: 303; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)


Well played tedkord...

posted on 02 Nov 2012, 20:24

77. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14170; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


It's like I said before, the actual tech falls under fair and reasonable. You can't put a big fat price on something like that.

posted on 02 Nov 2012, 20:52 2

78. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


No, the problem is that no one knows what rate is fair. Motorola may think 2% is fair for their work and innovation. Apple's unwillingness to negotiate is clearly at fault here. They shouldn't steal first and complain later.

Think of it this way. I wanted to buy a Bugatti. But I don't think 2 million is fair. Then i didn't even attempt to negotiate and stole the car. When i got caught i sued the manufacturer for making the car so expensive and i offered them a dollar for it.

Replace the car with Motorola's patents in the example above.

posted on 03 Nov 2012, 06:45

79. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


Evidently I am not the only one who is high.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 19:53 1

19. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


It depends on how it is used and what it is used for, like whether or not it is being used for profit, what the patent covers, like if the patents are essential for the function of something. In fair use claims where a non-patent holder is using it for profit then they generally have to license the patent. The other factors determine how much the fee should be. Apple is using the patents for profit, and unless the patents are declared invalid, they will have to pay. BTW 1$ per phone is a small amount.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 20:10 14

22. sorcio46 (Posts: 435; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


Fair Use != "Anyone can use this patent without paying"

Fair Use = "You have to pay a fair price
(about 2/3% of the total price of the product to use it)"

3% of 720€ (iPhone 5 16GB in Italy) is 21€ (27$) not 1$!
2% of 720€ (iPhone 5 16GB in Italy) is 14€ (18$) not 1$!

Apple go back to hell !

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 23:15 2

49. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)


Nice avatar pic dude, gotta get me a similar one
BTW: Apple tots deserves what URL pic stands 4

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 20:18 6

24. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


For the last time......the F in FRAND does not mean free.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 12:52 2

69. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Apple wants to pay almost nothing for other's ideas and then make other companies pay more than it is worth for their own patents...
Mxy you such a blind APPLE patsie.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 21:46 7

32. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)


Apple must pay $15 per iPhone to Motorola same as per Android phone pay to Microsoft.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 23:30 7

50. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


they should pay more for the trouble they gave to everyone

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 03:30 3

57. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


it must be fair like Microsoft requires...so at least 10 dollars!!!

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 19:13 29

2. hung2900 (Posts: 956; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


And they wanted $30 per sammy's phone even bada and under $100android phones! Apple s*****!

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 21:09

29. stealthd (unregistered)


Yes, $30 for patents they were under no obligation to license at all, ever. It would be like Pepsi licensing the Coke bottle design. They don't want to license it at all, but if they're going to it's going to be for a ridiculous amount. The same is not true for FRAND patents where Motorola is obligated to charge the same reasonable rate to everyone.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 21:37 6

31. MartyK (Posts: 846; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


You're right!; however, you can't use people crap without paying for it and then turn around and tell a person what they can charge you!..you're as sick as Apple if you think they are in the right!.

And the nerves to threatening a court with appeal?, If I was CEO of Google, I will tell them to go to Hejj and I will see you in court.

Apple is a Narcissism company.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 22:11 2

40. stealthd (unregistered)


Threateninig a court with appeal? Not sure what you're getting at there, every company appeals court decisions they don't like, there's nothing unreasonable about that. Btw, I'm not sure you're aware, but Apple is a company, not a person, narcissism doesn't apply or make any sense here.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 23:01 4

47. AstronautJones (Posts: 303; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)


Yes, no obligation to allow someone to use a rectangle. Since they invented the shape. Oh, and a bezel. Because no device ever had a bezel before either.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 19:14 25

3. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)


only a dollar APPLE YOUR SO DAMN CHEAP. CHEAPSKATE

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 19:15 22

4. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


and they ask Samsung for $30 for bloody design patents? you've got balls apple, I'll give you that.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 19:15 14

5. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


Apple is bossing the courts around and threatening everyone. Scrooges....

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 19:23 1

6. nyamo (Posts: 274; Member since: 19 Mar 2011)


i wish ms would go after apple for some reason. and apple could've made it look like they were trying and go with $2

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 21:53 3

35. jpmcnown (Posts: 34; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)


Wait for Apple to finally incorporate a Touch interface into MacOS(like 10 years from now), then they'll sue MS for the Windows 8 Metro UI.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 19:27 5

7. hawke9150 (Posts: 32; Member since: 17 Jun 2011)


AWWWW, poor widdew appow getting b*tch slapped with a fist full of irony!

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 19:27 3

8. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14170; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


I don't think it's fair for them to pay any money on a fair and reasonable patent.

posted on 31 Oct 2012, 19:31 13

11. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Exactly.

That's why Apple's suit against Samsung should be thrown out of the courts.

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