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Apple says Samsung set a patent timebomb when the 3G standard was created to demand "excessive" royalties

0. phoneArena 26 Sep 2011, 09:27 posted on

Samsung is suing to stop the sales and marketing of Apple's gizmos, including the iPhone 5, in the Netherlands, but Apple argues it has sneaked in some of its own IP in the 3G standard, so it can patent it later and sue...

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posted on 27 Sep 2011, 11:11

191. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


a fact is something that is true, undeniable, evidence based, and not debatable.

that is NOT what you bring to the table... lol

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 14:55 5

93. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


well apple started suing samsung...they had no choice but to sue back what did you expect them to just sit back..samsung themselves said they did not want things to get this far as they were hoping to keep its relationship with apple...

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 13:49 8

73. Burnab87 (unregistered)


you three knuckleheads are pretty slow i see. No one said that there was no one else sueing, But Apple is the Only Company doing it on such a grand scale they're trying to completely take out samsung and its successful product lines because they are Successful period. No one else who is sueing is trying to block sales and if they tried that then both company's were able to sit down and work out a deal where both were happy. But no not Apple they are trying to end Samsungs plans in android all together, only because its a real threat to iPhone market shares.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 14:56 6

94. corporateJP (Posts: 2431; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


^ Realtalk.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 10:10 9

4. Karma (unregistered)


Apple open the pandora box,they start the game,now like it or not,they have to play along,
may be one day apple will wish they never start these foolish game.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 12:53 1

46. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


@ Karma one idiot comment after another.... Appel didnt start anything... ok... soo you comment to open th PANDORA box..sir it was already open..sorry to burst your bubble of hate..

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 14:58 4

96. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


yes apple not the 1st company to sue but up until now apple started with the whole banning products and taking choices away from consumers...even microsoft are happy to license and not ban and that is saying something...lol funny seeing apple complaining these are standard patents yet the drawing of a rectangle with a screen for a tablet is really unique and not standard....

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 16:42 1

121. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


u seem smart person... if you invent something.. but didnt patented.. and someone else does.. well it will be awarded to whomever patented here in the US, paper talks... if Apple did patented as crazy as it might be.. it got approved and now can enjoy that feeling on patenting things... I know you wont see the point because is Apple. but thats how things are in this country... still dont understand... rent the movie.. The Social Network

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 18:08 5

141. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


the reason why people never patented such broad ideas and designs was that they were standards and is the best design...ie no one patented the shape of a tv cause that shape was a standard...no one patented 4 wheels on a car because its a standard...and no one patented a tablet until apple because a tablet being a rectangle is a standard...someting that are standard should not be allowed to be patented such as a rectangle for a tablet or a phone....it just shows what type of company apple is and they make microsoft look like saints...

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 19:06

149. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


look a the Motorola Droid the OG or most motorola phones... look nothing like an iphone... same shape.. touchscreen..some people like the shape of the droid but some dont.. but is different from the iphone.. I dont know about MS being saints.. more like Smithers.. from the simpsons..lol

posted on 27 Sep 2011, 10:07

189. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


You are so stupid it's unreal.

posted on 27 Sep 2011, 19:02

197. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


im not saying you cant make different designs (those moto droid phones are ugly and fat) but what apple is saying is that no one should be able to make a clean looking and streamlined phone or tablet...thats what both apple and samsung are doing making streamlined products...considering microsoft not trying to ban anyone and apple is,i would say microsoft is more of a saint than apple...lol have not seen simspon since i was a kid.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 10:32 8

6. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


what ??? apple is crying now because someone sues them ? apple = iDiots

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 10:34 4

7. Bluedroid (Posts: 57; Member since: 12 Sep 2011)


I hope apple gets an univercell ban on there products...

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 14:35 6

85. stealthd (unregistered)


I hope you learn how to spell.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 10:36 7

8. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


Sneaked IP in when the standard was created???? Well that seems to be an issue of whom ever created the standard and allowed IP in without some sort of licensing arrangement before hand. If true pretty low. I would think if a standard has IP, there would be a set licensing fee attached to it at time of standardization... but what do I know.

The fact that samsung seems to only be leveraging the 3g patents on Apple, is telling... They are pretty much saying... want to sue/ban us for having a rectangular black bordered tablet (which is standard for any type of screen, theaters, TVs etc, actually Black borders are proven to improve image quality) then we will sue for some other technicality...

While petty (on both parties) wtf do you expect... I am sick of EVERYONE and every COMPANY playing the "I don't deserve this" card when they KNOW they asked for it.

While I do support Apple on the touchwiz/phone complaints have merrit (though its really in the grey area, the app launcher has similar icons etc)... I think the tablet complaints are just crap.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 11:02 3

14. corporateJP (Posts: 2431; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


Very good leveraged, unbiased opinion.

I totally agree that the first Galaxy series tried hard to be something it wasn't.

Can't blame them for trying, but now they are feeling the brunt of it.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 11:09 3

15. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


His opinion is completely anti Apple which to droidbots = unbiased lol

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 11:30 3

21. Unbiased (unregistered)


"While I do support Apple on the touchwiz/phone complaints have merrit (though its really in the grey area, the app launcher has similar icons etc)... I think the tablet complaints are just crap".

Please read the whole comment before posting your rebuttal.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 11:40 8

23. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


taco lacks reading comprehension. he always has.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 11:54 2

29. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Just cause he threw that in there doesn't mean his comment isn't completely biased.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 15:02 5

98. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


how exactly is it biased...he said both are petty...im guessing your time of bias is that nothing negative of apple can be said right.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 15:03 5

99. corporateJP (Posts: 2431; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


You, the guy with the stupid chicken, and the guy who likes World Wrestling Embarassment all need to admit to yourselves and the world that you are blinded by fandom.

Only then will somebody take you seriously, because your arguements are a far cry from it.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 10:38 7

9. superguy (Posts: 293; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


Karma's a bitch, ain't it Apple?

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 10:40 8

10. kaka (unregistered)


like i said a few months ago....

apple, you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 10:48 2

11. dacastrator (Posts: 232; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)


Hell with the lawyers. They are probably making a lof money right now.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 11:21 4

18. theBankRobber (Posts: 681; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)


I think its pretty f**ked up they called them out by their race, Koreans, instead of calling them by their company name, Samsung. ' since it will still be using these same technologies the Koreans claim they are infringed upon'.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 11:52 1

25. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Wow, good move Samsung! But I'm gonna help Apple out of this one. Apple, what you should do is take the same approach you did with Flash and HTML 5. Take that stance that 3G connectivity is obsolete and that you will be moving forward and supporting LTE instead. That way, you can take credit for moving LTE forward while avoiding paying Samsung for the IP's that they have "every right to defend". (I think that was the phrase often repeated about Apple banning Samsung products). Then you can file a patent on LTE and force Samsung, Motorola, HTC and LG to pay YOU excessive royalties, or be banned worldwide.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 11:54 1

27. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I think consumers would end up with a better product and be much happier if those companies were banned.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 12:31 7

37. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


lol you really want apple to be top don't you?
lol bro get over it, apple's time is up. It's android's time

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