Apple says Samsung set a patent timebomb when the 3G standard was created to demand "excessive" royalties
0. phoneArena 26 Sep 2011, 09:27 posted on
Samsung is suing to stop the sales and marketing of Apple's gizmos, including the iPhone 5, in the Netherlands, but Apple argues it has sneaked in some of its own IP in the 3G standard, so it can patent it later and sue...
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106. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I'm being facetious about other manufacturers being banned. I don't really want that. I realize competition is good for us all.
33. SoJUICED (Posts: 11; Member since: 14 May 2010)
Am I the only one thats tired of reading this same thread over and over???
52. djg71087 (Posts: 70; Member since: 10 Oct 2010)
you and me both... but i must say some of the comments are pretty funny!!!
108. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)
Yes, I am just skimming at this point.
Here is what I think is an actual valid new point:
Q: So if Samsung put in IP in to the 3GH standards as a time bomb, why is it blowing up now?
Q: Why is it not blowing up in the face of all the other manufacturers that MUST be infringing on Samsung's Patents [if Apple is] just by confirming to the 3G standards by using 3G technology?
Most likely Answer: Because Samsung most likely never had the intent to use those patents as a time bomb and is now whipping them out as a response to the pissing contest Apple started and is winning since it effectively achieved the banning of some Samsung products in some locations.
Samsung is not pissing on anyone else with this suit [as far as what was reported], so this is a direct response to the escalating war Apple started with Samsung. Since Apple is acting hypocritical, I do not even care if Apple has the legal right to achieve what they did. I just want them to fail to shut the fan boys up and get a piece of their own pie they have been shoving in other manufacturer’s faces.
42. the one (unregistered)
I hope Apple loses this so bad it would serve them right, it was also be so ironic for them to lose this case when they were suing Samsung over false design allegations. Just to have to pay them for each Iphone sold love it!!!
43. iri (unregistered)
Such a shame they are just some rectangles turning us against each other
58. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Samsung open fires blindfolded, lol. Good luck Samsung. And of course, as far as android fanboys are concerned. Samsung already won, lol. And when later reports reveal that they didn't, android fanboys just troll around as if they haven't said anything, or, come up with lame excuses, lol.
67. jonathanrash (Posts: 3; Member since: 26 Sep 2011)
everyone needs to get a live apple devive's are not worth a dime they only thing that makes people want to buy i phones is I tunes and all you hear about the ipad is learning and apple allways saids he has the best devices when they think they can make the best devices but i know something you dumb people that call them safes apple fanboys is iphones and i pad well never win because every just because apple is richie then are goverment well that does not me anything the iphone is a phone that you can olny do what lets you do well a i pad a piece of s**t they that is only good for learning so android phone are open platform and android tablets are open platform and you can use at work ipad no do you go to work to learn? no so everyone out they thats a apple fanboy you just want to but s**t and make them rich
68. Rawkin (unregistered)
You're right, the LG Prada looks nothing like the iPhone. It actually looks almost as different as the Galaxy S looks from the iPhone.
I've been following these lawsuits with a keen interest for quite some time now. I agree, it's not all Apple's fault; these companies are all after eachother, most of the time. The thing is, most companies are after another company for infringing a patent, or other minor things—and then there's another company, claiming the same about yet another company. The only difference is Apple: they are suing the most people over the most things (some reasonable, some outlandish). Over the time of my interest in persuing these matters, it's quite simple that Apple is unhealthy for the continental development, production, and implementation of certain technologies, designs, etc. (and no, you can't patent a shiny rectangle—get over yourselves).
That being sad, I have no problem with the iPhone. I think it's a spectacular device, and I suggest it to many of the people who ask for my advice. Personally, I own an Android device. As a technological enthusiast, the iPhone simply does not offer what I want. As well, they are updated outrageously slow. I prefer to be on the cutting-edge of phone technology. But nonetheless, Apple for sure makes one hell of a beautiful phone. Personally, I don't throw my phones against the wall though, so plastic is far superior—it's lightweight, and it's almost 2012; we don't need bulky phones anymore.
I saw Apple throw the first unreasonable stone here (the shiny rectangle looked too much like one of the other 487 shiny rectangles being sold? or what, the phone icon looked too much like a phone? maybe it was the horizontal app scrolling? or the, uh... s**t, that's all there really was), and somehow succeed, albeit minorly so far. Personally, I would love Apple to get exactly what they love to dish out to everyone else. Go get 'em, Samsung's lawyers.
P.S. This site has, without any doubt in mind, the most unintelligent iPhone vs Android wars I have ever seen. Put some thought into it, guys. From both sides (although, seriously, LOL @ the Apple fanboys).
71. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Nice job of pretending you're not a droidbot.
72. Rawkin (unregistered)
Nice job of proving my last paragraph.
103. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
if your like android your a fandroid
if you like android but aknowledge ios is good your a fandroid
if your neutral and like both os your a fandroid
if you have apple products but dont agree with apple your a fandroid
if you like apple and think they are all positive and dont say a bad word about them then your are a true ifanboy
115. Heatfan316 (Posts: 446; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
You obviously have never been on bgr.com then Rawkin.
175. Whateverman (Posts: 3231; Member since: 17 May 2009)
@ Rawkin. As much as I hate to admit it, you are absolutely right. Many of us have tried a truce coupled with adult conversation and civil debates, but that didn't last very long. (Doesn't matter who's fault it was).
But I've also seen this war played out with the same rhetoric on every tech website. I just don't think it will ever change.
199. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
i think couple weeks a go in a article the comments by everyone was very good and fanboy free...i guess it was just a one off lol
75. Jamez (unregistered)
Shut up Taco. You got served by darth8ball earlier...especially after he threatened to email you a beatdown!!!
79. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
wow.. we need to not let minor post in here... @ Jamez please go get your parents permision next time...
81. Rawkin (unregistered)
Assuming Jamez is indeed a minor, I would argue against that. If you're over the legal age in your country, and he is under... well, I thought the school system was bad now—clearly it was a lot worse a few years back.
Don't iPhone's have dictionaries? Spell-check? ... s**t, that's surprising. I thought Apple knew their clientele.
84. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You seem to talk a lot of s**t about Apple for an unbiased person.
92. Rawkin (unregistered)
I don't feel that I talk a lot of s**t about Apple, I merely convey the truth. A sad fact, however, is that the truth about Apple IS s**t.
95. Jamez (unregistered)
Yeah, you do need spell-check pretty badly....
126. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
nop I am posting from an Android phone so ...fail...
162. remixfa (Posts: 14080; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
according to taco, u must be too poor to own an iphone..
i just think your too dumb for even an iphone, you probably found an apple logo sticker and put it on your phone, took off all widgets and wallpapers, and just made every screen a list of icons.
86. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Lol I'm terrified Jamez, but I think I may be safe. I have an iPhone so I'm protected against malware.
97. Rawkin (unregistered)
Laughable facts about Apple fanboys:
1) They think malicious code can harm everything but their device.
Do we need a two? That's a big enough joke as it is.
129. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Laughable facts about Android fanboys:
1) They think they have the best phone in the market without knowing a better phone is coming in two weeks... damm you 2 year agreements..lol
b).. just because they donwloaded an antivirus app. their phone is protected... lol...fail
143. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
better phone in 2 weeks what the iphone 5...whats the rumoured specs lets see
dual core-android had it ages ago
bigger screen-android had it ages a go
fake 4g or lte-android had it ages ago
nfc-android had it ages ago
voice control-android had it ages ago
slide down notification-android had it AGES ago
etc etc etc so what exactly is this ''better'' phone bringing to the table apart from just playing catchup
157. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
the phrase playing catchup is over used.. why... because ... Android ..moves soo fast that not even Android can catch up with Android.. most Android phones are still stuck in Froyo, and Android is about to released ICS... at that pace T- Bolts fans will never even taste ICS... so as you can see Android can catch with Android...
200. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
agree android is moving way too fast but apple is playing catchup none the less...you can also say apple is moving too slow but i do like the fact that they release 1 phone per year until they broke the cycle this year...i personally get a new phone every year the latest,never keep a phone longer than a year cause i get bored especially knowing there are better phones out there.i also dont like to have a phone that gets outdated too quickly which happens too often in android as you pointed out they are moving too fast even for more liking...but thankfully i got the gs2 back in april or may which has been the best phone in my opininon and is still one of the best...i guess with android is picking a phone that will last atleast a year where it doesnt get out dated spec wise.
90. Mike S (unregistered)
Let's remind ourselves that Apple started these wars. Apple thinks it invented everything. The truth is that they just make things look jazzy.
The reality is that Apple has more to suffer from other people coming after Apple for Apple violations than Apple has to gain from them.
This is the future of Apple under the new CEO. A company mired in distracting lawsuits worldwide while innovation declines.
104. Jamez (unregistered)
I don't even like Apple, but the amount of biased hatred on here is beyond nauseating.
It's especially amusing when clowns like Rawkin come out and spew nonsense with a "holier than thou" approach. Not sure what the point is, but you're not above anyone just because you can talk s--t on a forum. Frankly I don't even see why there's any incentive in putting on a Samsung jersey and cheering for your team. I'm fairly certain you don't work for them. Competition is good, and I'm happy they're squabbling over patents and other intellectual rubbish.
For the record, my comment earlier was a jab at darth8ball's ridiculously lame attempt to physically threaten taco50 through the internet. That kind of stuff is comedy gold...and I'm surprised that dorks still think it works after all these years. He obviously saw the sarcasm in it...not sure why you other dullards took it the other way.
110. Rawkin (unregistered)
Amusing? I'll take that as a compliment. The amount of fanboyism is nauseating, but moreso than anything else, it's the uneducated comments. If you love Apple and want to bash Android—or if you love Android and want to bash Apple—that is fine by me, but why does no one here do so with facts? Intelligent fanboyism is a lot better, in my opinion, than "shUt tha f**k, you suckin'' Steve Jobs' d**k!" As well, I don't have a Samsung jersey—nor a Samsung product. But I will defend against a company (Apple) that is literally trying to stop competition. How competitive is a market where it's against the law to sell anything other than iPhones? Get real.
The fact that you were taking a jab at darth8ball—and therefore defending taco50's stance—is pathetic. Did you read that? Taco50 was obviously instigating that. Did you think darth8ball came out off the bat with, "come here, I'll kick your ass." f**k, why can't you people read? "Yeah, well I live in California, so come get me" is not comic gold. No, really. It's not... seriously. (Just wow.)
125. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I have never threatened anyone on here. I live in California was in response to him saying he wanted to meet me in person and beat me up.
How do you support his position when he was 100% the instigator? Oh yea you're a droidbot.
178. Jamez (unregistered)
Rawkin, maybe you forgot to put on your glasses. It only takes basic reading comprehension to see that darth8ball instigated the threats of physical violence....all because of a disagreement over phone preference. It really doesn't get any more lame than when someone tries to bully others through forums. Where I'm from, online threats are not only funny, but also the fastest way to assure that you've been defeated in a battle of wits.
In the meantime, I've lost track of who has sued who more. There seem to be almost a dozen different lawsuits going on in half a dozen different countries between these 2 giants. You act like Apple is the only party hurling litigation.
107. HTCistheBEST (unregistered)
You guys are no longer making any sense at all. Stop whining about Apple and Samsung. Both of them are crap. HTC is the BEST.
131. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)
Yeah with the EVO 4G that is 4G WiMAX capable
.........in select locations while standing on your head .
109. Jesus Christ (unregistered)
Ok my children, Stop fighting about which one is better between Samsung and Apple. I made those companies to make great products but not perfect products. Cuz no one is perfect except me (of course im a God). They both exist to fill up what each other is lacking. That's why iPhone will work better for someone and not on somebody else. Android can sh*t and Apple will come out of the ass. They are like combos if you know what I mean. So stop it. Coz its not getting any better.
113. Rawkin (unregistered)
This guy just won, haha.
I'll leave this thread for the Apple fanboys (they'll probably just attack eacthother when they're the only ones left—win win, for the entire world).
112. 10aera (Posts: 31; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
Well, probably Samsung did have such patents long before this accusation took place, probably Samsung just bought the patent from Google and the huge amount of patents the got from Motorola, but either the reality the truth is that they are in their own right on using their weapons whenever they want. Apple did the same accusing Samsung of using similar designs on its flagships, but they did it until they started to notice that Samsung was getting stronger and stronger with their sells... Later they tried to ban Samsung's all Galaxy line from Europe, just to delay their sales at least until the iPhone 5 were ready to ship, because Apple knows the SII is way out of the league on hardware specifications in the iphone. Apple have also noticed that Samsung is hurrying the pace at such limit that the comming specifications in the iPhone 5 will look outdated in comparisson to new announced devices such as the SII HD, or the NOTE. Samsung knows that NOWADAYS Apple cannot compete in technology, innovation, an oppeness with Samsung, thereore, Apple sues. But Samsung, as any other person, company, or entity, will try to defend itself from the bothering kid that keeps disrupting its peace of mind... Therefore, they use their As under its sleeve, the 3G patent, that probably would not need to use if Apple would began to fight, despise the good commerce relationships these two giants used to have. Sorry for both and sorry for us, the customers, that will be limited with time to the kind of articles that patents, sues, and other legal terms not associated to technology and innovation, will dictate.
116. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
LMFAO!!! Wow really? Andrones are making petty threats on PA just because they're mad that Apple has filed lawsuits against Samsung copying them? LOL, the butthurt level is astronomical.
122. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
be careful or darthball will send you a butt whooping via email as well
137. GALAXY-S (Posts: 701; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)
so idiot is your word of the day?? thats all i seen you post today...
177. Bluedroid (Posts: 57; Member since: 12 Sep 2011)
Taco, you are such an asshole, leave the poor guy alone, all you apple fanboys are just nuts, I bet in real life you guys are nothing more than a nerd, hiding behind your mom. It looks like to me in reality you guys get bullied and thrashed everyday, so you guys are just cowards in real life while you try to be a bully in cyberspace...
181. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Do you have a hard time with reading comprehension? Did you see me threaten anyone on the internet? No you didn't. So where in your twisted mind am I picking on people? You come and troll on Apple articles saying things like I wish Apple is banned from the whole world and then try to play the victim. It's not my fault that you're fragile fandroid phsyche can't handle being called out on your bs.
Darthball is very quiet now. Hopefully his high school counselor can help him work through his inferiority issues.
134. HHHCOOWWE (unregistered)
So MIZ, I fire you and you spend your days on PA? Sad...
152. corporateJP (Posts: 1772; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
Get out the sledge...
124. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)
this is crazy its like the wwe in here which i must watch tonite lol...I thought this was a phone website not the royal rumble
133. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)
where do you work at dude? If you're in Phoenix
135. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
well I work in sales.. not phones though ... email me at firstname.lastname@example.org and will give you details...
138. ngo2dd (Posts: 791; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Wow taco and Apple Fanboy are you guys that blind about the prada?
"The first iPhone was unveiled by former Apple CEO Steve Jobs on January 9, 2007, and released on June 29, 2007."
Here is the LG prada
"It was first announced on December 12, 2006. Images of the device appeared on websites such as Engadget Mobile on December 15, 2006. An official press release showing an image of the device appeared on January 18, 2007."
I don't care if you you think they look a like or not. But the Prada was announced and release before the iphone. In fact it was the first to use Capacitive Touch Screen. So what do you have to say about that? You guys still think LG copy Apple a year a head of Apple come on you can't be that blind. Sorry if fact is not what you want.
Here is the Engadget linkhttp://mobile.engadget.com/200
144. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
hey in there mind who ever makes something popular also invented it.
146. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)
looks nothing like the iPhone, I remember when I was choosing between the 2, I liked the iPhone a lot more...to end the argument, the patent that Apple won was regarding the icons, which is definitely something they should have sued them for....
174. ngo2dd (Posts: 791; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
You are a damn liar. The Prada was import only. You never even saw it in real life