Apple says Samsung set a patent timebomb when the 3G standard was created to demand "excessive" royalties
0. phoneArena 26 Sep 2011, 09:27 posted on
Samsung is suing to stop the sales and marketing of Apple's gizmos, including the iPhone 5, in the Netherlands, but Apple argues it has sneaked in some of its own IP in the 3G standard, so it can patent it later and sue...
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166. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I prove you wrong daily with facts. I know that must suck for you.
191. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
a fact is something that is true, undeniable, evidence based, and not debatable.
that is NOT what you bring to the table... lol
93. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
well apple started suing samsung...they had no choice but to sue back what did you expect them to just sit back..samsung themselves said they did not want things to get this far as they were hoping to keep its relationship with apple...
73. Burnab87 (unregistered)
you three knuckleheads are pretty slow i see. No one said that there was no one else sueing, But Apple is the Only Company doing it on such a grand scale they're trying to completely take out samsung and its successful product lines because they are Successful period. No one else who is sueing is trying to block sales and if they tried that then both company's were able to sit down and work out a deal where both were happy. But no not Apple they are trying to end Samsungs plans in android all together, only because its a real threat to iPhone market shares.
4. Karma (unregistered)
Apple open the pandora box,they start the game,now like it or not,they have to play along,
may be one day apple will wish they never start these foolish game.
46. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
@ Karma one idiot comment after another.... Appel didnt start anything... ok... soo you comment to open th PANDORA box..sir it was already open..sorry to burst your bubble of hate..
96. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
yes apple not the 1st company to sue but up until now apple started with the whole banning products and taking choices away from consumers...even microsoft are happy to license and not ban and that is saying something...lol funny seeing apple complaining these are standard patents yet the drawing of a rectangle with a screen for a tablet is really unique and not standard....
121. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
u seem smart person... if you invent something.. but didnt patented.. and someone else does.. well it will be awarded to whomever patented here in the US, paper talks... if Apple did patented as crazy as it might be.. it got approved and now can enjoy that feeling on patenting things... I know you wont see the point because is Apple. but thats how things are in this country... still dont understand... rent the movie.. The Social Network
141. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
the reason why people never patented such broad ideas and designs was that they were standards and is the best design...ie no one patented the shape of a tv cause that shape was a standard...no one patented 4 wheels on a car because its a standard...and no one patented a tablet until apple because a tablet being a rectangle is a standard...someting that are standard should not be allowed to be patented such as a rectangle for a tablet or a phone....it just shows what type of company apple is and they make microsoft look like saints...
149. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
look a the Motorola Droid the OG or most motorola phones... look nothing like an iphone... same shape.. touchscreen..some people like the shape of the droid but some dont.. but is different from the iphone.. I dont know about MS being saints.. more like Smithers.. from the simpsons..lol
197. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
im not saying you cant make different designs (those moto droid phones are ugly and fat) but what apple is saying is that no one should be able to make a clean looking and streamlined phone or tablet...thats what both apple and samsung are doing making streamlined products...considering microsoft not trying to ban anyone and apple is,i would say microsoft is more of a saint than apple...lol have not seen simspon since i was a kid.
6. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
what ??? apple is crying now because someone sues them ? apple = iDiots
7. Bluedroid (Posts: 57; Member since: 12 Sep 2011)
I hope apple gets an univercell ban on there products...
8. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)
Sneaked IP in when the standard was created???? Well that seems to be an issue of whom ever created the standard and allowed IP in without some sort of licensing arrangement before hand. If true pretty low. I would think if a standard has IP, there would be a set licensing fee attached to it at time of standardization... but what do I know.
The fact that samsung seems to only be leveraging the 3g patents on Apple, is telling... They are pretty much saying... want to sue/ban us for having a rectangular black bordered tablet (which is standard for any type of screen, theaters, TVs etc, actually Black borders are proven to improve image quality) then we will sue for some other technicality...
While petty (on both parties) wtf do you expect... I am sick of EVERYONE and every COMPANY playing the "I don't deserve this" card when they KNOW they asked for it.
While I do support Apple on the touchwiz/phone complaints have merrit (though its really in the grey area, the app launcher has similar icons etc)... I think the tablet complaints are just crap.
14. corporateJP (Posts: 2324; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
Very good leveraged, unbiased opinion.
I totally agree that the first Galaxy series tried hard to be something it wasn't.
Can't blame them for trying, but now they are feeling the brunt of it.
15. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
His opinion is completely anti Apple which to droidbots = unbiased lol
21. Unbiased (unregistered)
"While I do support Apple on the touchwiz/phone complaints have merrit (though its really in the grey area, the app launcher has similar icons etc)... I think the tablet complaints are just crap".
Please read the whole comment before posting your rebuttal.
23. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
taco lacks reading comprehension. he always has.
29. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Just cause he threw that in there doesn't mean his comment isn't completely biased.
98. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
how exactly is it biased...he said both are petty...im guessing your time of bias is that nothing negative of apple can be said right.
99. corporateJP (Posts: 2324; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
You, the guy with the stupid chicken, and the guy who likes World Wrestling Embarassment all need to admit to yourselves and the world that you are blinded by fandom.
Only then will somebody take you seriously, because your arguements are a far cry from it.
10. kaka (unregistered)
like i said a few months ago....
apple, you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house.
11. dacastrator (Posts: 232; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
Hell with the lawyers. They are probably making a lof money right now.
18. theBankRobber (Posts: 649; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
I think its pretty f**ked up they called them out by their race, Koreans, instead of calling them by their company name, Samsung. ' since it will still be using these same technologies the Koreans claim they are infringed upon'.
25. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Wow, good move Samsung! But I'm gonna help Apple out of this one. Apple, what you should do is take the same approach you did with Flash and HTML 5. Take that stance that 3G connectivity is obsolete and that you will be moving forward and supporting LTE instead. That way, you can take credit for moving LTE forward while avoiding paying Samsung for the IP's that they have "every right to defend". (I think that was the phrase often repeated about Apple banning Samsung products). Then you can file a patent on LTE and force Samsung, Motorola, HTC and LG to pay YOU excessive royalties, or be banned worldwide.
27. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I think consumers would end up with a better product and be much happier if those companies were banned.
37. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
lol you really want apple to be top don't you?
lol bro get over it, apple's time is up. It's android's time
48. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
i hear that every year... still waiting for it to happen... specially when is the most profitable comaony in the US... keep waiting ..dude
56. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Every year fanboys proclaim the end for Apple and how this new platform or phone is the iPhone killer lol. Pathetic.
161. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the iphone killer came out 3 years ago, we call it android.
or havent you noticed the double market penetration in less time.. or the fact that double android devices are being bought than iOS right now?
where have u been!?
64. Daniel2324 (Posts: 8; Member since: 01 Sep 2011)
May I ask, how many jobs apple has created for the American people being the most profitable company in the US?
65. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
They're now in the works of building a 12,000 employee campus in Cupertino. They also have retail stores and call centers all over the US. So my guess would be at least around 20,000 jobs. How many does Samsung create in the US?
76. Daniel2324 (Posts: 8; Member since: 01 Sep 2011)
wow... thats only 2 percent of 1 million people they employ in foxconn.
as for your question in how many people does samsung employ in the US, well I have no idea, but im certain that they employ over a 100 thousand in korea.
83. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple employees 1 million at foxconn? You sure about that? You do realize foxconn isn't owned by Apple so not all their jobs are Apple related. Apple subcontracts to them.
102. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Here you go bud:
Foxconn makes consumer electronics for a number of well-known companies, including:
Apple Inc. (United States)
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Intel (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Dell (United States)
Microsoft (United States)
Motorola (United States)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)
Vizio (United States)
Hey sniggly where are you?!! Foxconn makes Motorola products too! Are you still outraged at how workers are treated there? Remix?
160. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
The only one I use on that list right now is.. umm.. Dell. That was the last product i purchased on that list, was this dell computer im typing on. If it was made at foxconn, i dont know for sure.
Now, Foxconn is a s**t company by any moral standard. I doubt they treat any of their workers all that well. But when was the last time you heard of mass suicides at the nokia or nintendo plant? Why is it only Apple plants that explode and have saftey nets for jumpers??
That is the difference.
165. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Well considering Apple doesn't run or own the plants you're assuming that other workers for some reason have better working conditions the Apple's even though they are all part of the same company. Also in reading up on this Apple did their own investigations after the suicides and now does inspections to make sure they have good working conditions.
I'm sure to you that's not good enough.
171. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Taco- At last count, it was about 13,000 here in the US and 48,000 worldwide. Gotta give them credit for keeping the engineers and programmers employees, but it would be nice to see some of those manufacturing jobs here. Maybe help the middle class out a little, but all the corporate welfare and tax loopholes here, I can't see any company building anything here in the next few years to come.
173. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
And those numbers don't include Foxconn employees. But what's really embarrassing is that Samsung employs more Americans than Apple.
176. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Can you show some proof Samsung employees more Americans than Apple? Considering Apple is building a 12,000 person campus which doesn't include retail or call centers they employee a lot more than 13,000 or will be soon anyway. I pulled up a recent study that showed Apple employeed 14,000 just for their iPod business.
185. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Dude, I'm using what looks to be the same not-so-reliable source it appears you are using, Wikipedia. I just read that 14,000 jobs were PRODUCED because of the iPod as of 2006. Now, when I quoted a source from 2007, you said it was too old. Now you're using sources even older then mine? (That called a Double Standard) But that was when they were making iPods here. Where do you thing they make them now??? Hint: All of those nice manufacturing jobs were moved to a tiny little country with a LOT of people. Probably why is says since 2006 and not 2011.
As for the Samsung head count, I found it at glassdoor.com a few weeks ago. All of Samsung's companies are listed separately, so I will not be going through them for you. But fee free to take a look for yourself. They have offices and factories in
Ridgefield Park, NJ
San Jose, CA
And a bunch more, so you'll have to go through them all one-by-one. But wouldn't it be worth it to prove me wrong for once?
Oh BTW, the offer for the free iPhone 5 is still on the table if you can prove that I said what you claim I said about pirating software. Times a-wastin', you only have 361 days left to find your proof and claim your brand new shinny!
186. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Can you post even one link of Samsung having more US jobs than Apple?
I can list random cities too. It doesn't prove anything.
187. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
You just typewww.glassdoor.com. This was not an article stating this. It was me looking a company profiles, and looking at the number of employees they had. Knock yourself out there bud!
158. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
since they have some large arms of multiple parts of samsung, including phones, electronics, hardware, construction equipment, ect in America, id say its safe to say at least as many if not more. I've been looking but I cant find any hard data anywhere.
167. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
exactly you know this even though you have zero evidence to back it up.
77. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I could tell you but is irrelevant to the topic... sir..are you too dumb to stay on topic...?... how many jobs have you created..?... Next... please...
80. Daniel2324 (Posts: 8; Member since: 01 Sep 2011)
not much. a few people.
my driver, a nanny. My 9 staff for my convenient store.
My point is your all praises to a company ( an american company ) that would not even create that much job for you people.
and btw galitoking youre off topic aswell when youre praising apple being the most profitable company in the US.
let me remind you that the Topic here was about samsung suing apple for the 3G related IP's.
PS. how many jobs have you created?
123. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
nop I answer a question that Apple was fading.. read please hate to rephrase... and i answer that is not going aways becuase when a company is profitable.. it lives... jejeje... I know is hard for you to understand... is ok...
100. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
and i hear every year the next iphone is going to crush android but im still waiting...hope neither go anytime soon they both bring something different for different people
150. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
we finally agree Taz89.. as long are in business .. innovations will move at a faster pace
198. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
competition is always good...i dont hate ios or android or wp7 etc...i have an ip4 and gs2 had a a n96 before...plan to get a wp7 once nokia release theres...i dont like to have the same os all the time like to have a change now and then...i just get annoyed when someone says i hope ios dies,android dies etc etc...end of the day everyone is diffierent and will have different taste just as we do with food,cloths and cars..if we all were the same then life would be so crap lol
55. jacko (unregistered)
Steve head job must be Hitler's son coz they both don't like people having freedom of choice
and taco and other isheep i used an is**t and there nothing to brag about and sold it after only having it for 2 weeks and i been buying top of the line androids ever since
i like up to date phones aka android
not a 2008 phone aka is**t
and i like blackberrys best email device EVER
70. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
@ taco50. Banning products isn't the answer for Samsung or Apple. Getting any company's products banned for the ridiculous reasons Apple gave was just plain silly. And although I understand why Samsung made this move, I would hope this is merely a move to get Apple to drop their lawsuit. I don't want to see Apples products any less then seeing Samsung's banned. They all need to work this crap out like adults and quit mud-slingin'!
78. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I agree banning products is wrong... and not the answer...
101. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
its comments like these that just shows you are an apple lover...why would you want choices taken away...not everyone will like and ios just like everyone will not like android etc...im guessing you want a world where there is no choice but apple which is just sad...no matter whatever your a fan of,choice is always better than no choice