Apple patent gives Siri the wisdom of the crowd
0. phoneArena 14 Nov 2013, 10:51 posted on
Siri was dumbed down quite a bit when Apple bought it and first integrated it into iOS, but it has been gradually getting smarter and smarter since then. However, the service does still have some troubles with returning the correct answer to various queries. But, a new patent shows that Apple does have a plan to fix those problems, and the answer is within all of you...
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2. sum182 (Posts: 229; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
Another day, another BS apple patent....i mean, not their fault as they just submitted the application, it was USPTO that approved it, but still...Likely this will be overturned if ever questioned, come on USPTO!
17. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
And can we please stop talking bout patents.
3. boosook (Posts: 1414; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
"So, we're not exactly sure what in the patent made the USPTO think this was an original procedure."
5. darkkjedii (Posts: 19470; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Keep the improvements coming apple. It's good for tech as a whole
10. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10409; Member since: 14 May 2012)
I would have to disagree with you here. It doesn't deserve a patent at all...
43. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10409; Member since: 14 May 2012)
I do if you bother to take the time out of your life to respond to me.
Still continuing on being my #1 hater I see.
49. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
no i think he's just continuing to be a "royal payne"
11. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3633; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
While it may benefit Apple, how does it benefit tech as a whole? Every time any of these companies patent something, all it does is force their competition to find a work around, or "reinvent the wheel". Rather than working on something new, they have to spend time, money, & resources to accomplish essentially the same thing. I've said it once & I'll say it again, make a standardized patent system. If you patent something it would be available to anyone for a standard licensing fee. I wonder how much money and resources are wasted on work arounds. A patent system like the one I outlined would benefit tech as a whole.
12. darkkjedii (Posts: 19470; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
It'll drive others to one up them. Keeps the comp coming.
15. Fallout09 (Posts: 421; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Wow... Someone has their blinders on..... Apple gets awarded a patent for something that has already been developed and in use for years by other companies. Please explain how it is beneficial for those companies who have been using the tech for some time now?
19. joaolx (Posts: 364; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Everyone does that. Everyone takes advantage of the patent system because it is highly flawed. Apple is not the only one doing this, so don't just blame them.
29. tedkord (Posts: 9915; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Many do abuse the flawed patent system. But only Apple uses it as a weapon to remove competing products from the market.
35. joaolx (Posts: 364; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
In some cases you're right. But all the press wants to know what Apple is doing more than what others are doing so it's normal that someone finds more stories about their patents. You also have no idea how many patents Samsung has submitted to remove competing products. Google also made a patent that could invalid the slide-to-unlock patent because they simply explained it in a different way, and even Apple patent slide-to-unlock is ridiculous. But let's face it, in the end, consumers get everything on every platform so consumers win. ahah in all honesty, this system is flawed and has been for a long time, this patent "war" is just stupid.
46. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Because people are ignorant. You can't patent the "idea" of a mouse-trap. You can patent a process or method to trap a mouse. In fact, people continue to invent new methods or processes to trap a mouse, i.e. these people want to build better mouse-traps.
Apple's patent uses a different method or process, etc.
This is not that hard of a concept to grasp.
30. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3633; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
For newer stuff, you are correct. But again, how much effort is put forth to come up with a non infringing version of that patent. And even if all patents were available for a fee, some companies might still see developing their own version as cost effective. But either way most people would probably go with the company who came up with the patent rather than a licensee, because the original company who developed it would have a better handle on the patent vs the company who paid for the license. This way would work just as well and get rid of most of the legal BS. All these companies going to court have legal fees, and one way or another it will get passed onto the consumer.
41. mattkl (Posts: 211; Member since: 01 Feb 2010)
You mean it will aid in slowing competition so the corporation that owns the patent can have a quasi monopoly as far as law defines. Although they surpass the law when the profit to P.R. damage control ratio is favorable.
I understand how important patents can be, but unlike you I am not blind to the fact that in this case it's not beneficial for consumers as it should be.
18. joaolx (Posts: 364; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Most patents that are battled in court have the same function. The problem with the patent system is that it allows for two exact things to be approved the only difference being the way it works. Sort of like the problems with the slide-to-unlock patents. There are several that do the same exact thing but the way they are explained are different.
28. Finalflash (Posts: 2725; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
F that, did you not see the veto happen. I bet there is a special rubber stamp for Apple at the patent office shaped in the form of the President with his lips to the underside of an Apple.
36. joaolx (Posts: 364; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
That was stupid indeed but I think the same thing would happen if it was in Samsung's turf. Each country is defending their property, in this case being the US.
20. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4270; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I can't agree with you here, dark. Read the last 2 sentences of the second paragraph,
"If this sounds familiar, it's because there are multiple options that already do this like ChaCha, Yahoo Answers, and more. So, we're not exactly sure what in the patent made the USPTO think this was an original procedure."
This did not deserve a patent. The USPTO is broken, and Apple is taking advantage of it. Apple shouldn't get credit for other's work.
21. darkkjedii (Posts: 19470; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
You don't think it'll drive the competitors to better theirs though? That's what I mean by better as a whole.
25. mattkl (Posts: 211; Member since: 01 Feb 2010)
Why would (IMO) an erroneous patent drive competitors. As others have stated there are other companies that use this same technology.
This patent doesn't open the road to competition but rather having to work around the wording of the patent to be in legal compliance to use their software safely.
Competition for this type of thing can go on without ridiculous patents that just help fan the flames.
So darkkjedii please explain how an approval from the USPTO has now opened the road for competitors to better theirs? What without Apple's patent no one else would be able to compete? No, patents from these huge companies serve specific purposes, to silence all competition if possible, to stop competitors from bettering theirs. Apple isn't a small inventor in his garage trying to protect his one invention. They want monopolies. This goes for most huge corporations not just Apple.
26. darkkjedii (Posts: 19470; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Just think about it bro, you basically said it yourself.
32. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3633; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Actually, if others have already devolped and been using the patent, it's like making yourself a sandwich and someone else coming in and taking it, then saying make your own sandwich.
Apparently others already came up with this idea, but because Apple's patent was approved first it's theirs? Does that seem fair to you? I would surely think prior art would invalidate it.
33. mattkl (Posts: 211; Member since: 01 Feb 2010)
So quote me then, or say something useful please. Or you could just be rubber and I'll be glue.
"So darkkjedii please explain how an approval from the USPTO has now opened the road for competitors to better theirs?"
I see that answer nowhere in my post. Also why would I think about an answer you CAN'T give me apparently and that you say I have already typed?
So answer if you can. You say all this stuff, you question many comments on here but you can't answer when someone asks you a simple question. Just looking for clarification on your own comment.
darkkjedii on Apple's newly approved patent: "You don't think it'll drive the competitors to better theirs though?
No I don't, not in the way it should be. So please answer your question in your own words how it will better competitors pre-patent similar products? We want to know your take on the subject not just comments you make that infer you believe that this patent is good. How is it good?
37. joey_sfb (Posts: 5256; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
darkkjedii, i understand that its very hard for a apple fan to come into term that Apple is a patent troll.
40. mattkl (Posts: 211; Member since: 01 Feb 2010)
I don't remember reading anyone denying this. I use to like following dark and some others on here, but your comments have been getting increasingly non related to the person you are replying to. Neat comment though.
Your blanket statement is I'm sure inaccurate, or at least not fair to say the least. I would have said I believe most of the large corporations publicly trading on the stock market fit your assessment. I feel certain that there are plenty of people and companies that use patents to correctly protect themselves and their intellectual properties and ideas, not suppress any and all just to be king of the hill.
42. joey_sfb (Posts: 5256; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Who else use patent as an offensive weapon? Google, Samsung? Motorola?
Those companies only use patent as a leverage after being attack by Apple. So you see. Its hard to admit to yourself that Apple is the aggressive patent troll.
And Apple just bought a bunch of old patents from a defunctional company just to sue Google. If this actons is not a patent troll you are indeed just another Apple fanatics.
51. 8logic (Posts: 148; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
you know, patents on rectangles with rounded corners with glass is so progressive and benefits everyone.
yay, the evil corporation is helping us all out. please patent for more stuff so everyone will have pay them
27. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4270; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I doubt it. We don't even know how good this will be. This was just a natural progression for mobile. More than likely Google has been working on a similar feature for Google Now, and Microsoft's rumored Cortana might have it, but many Apple fans will say they copied Apple just because they brought it out first, and now that Apple has this patent, they can sue for it.
Don't get me wrong, the addition of the feature is great and all (if it turns out to be useful) but the possibilities that come up from Apple having a patent for it are all bad, especially knowing their record of ridiculous lawsuits. That's bad for tech, because Apple is trying to push out the competition with legal action rather than product quality.
50. 8logic (Posts: 148; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
so stealing someone else's idea, something that is being used freely by everyone benefits the whole????
stop drinking the koolaid~
23. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
heck, this feature is being integrated into Siri
47. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Because Apple is pursuing a different method or process.
Do you know how many mouse-trap patents exist? Then why can't there be different patents to use this approach.
It would be nice if people knew what they were talking about as opposed to arguing something based on ignorance.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were multiple patents trying to do what Apple is pursuing.
6. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
It's actually a good idea. If it was Google doing it though, certain camps would be constantly complaining about them stealing your data for their (your) own good.
7. tacarat (Posts: 724; Member since: 22 Apr 2013)
Siri sprang forth from Steve Job's head as a fully formed product. Her birth was so awe inspiring it sent shockwaves through time and space. Where do you think the story of Athena came from? Steve "Zeus" Jobs, that's where.
8. cezarepc (Posts: 714; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)
Google now does that. It gets smarter the more you use it, and the more you use it the more it will have answers for people asking the same question. WTH was this patent approved?
13. JerryTime (Posts: 468; Member since: 09 Nov 2013)
I was about to post a similar response after reading this article. This is mind boggling to me as to why this patent was approved as well.
9. W.P._Android_in_that_Order (Posts: 208; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)
Apple. Stealing technology that already exists, patenting it, and then suing.
16. Fallout09 (Posts: 421; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Only in America. Makes me sad that people think that type of practice is acceptable behavior.
22. JerryTime (Posts: 468; Member since: 09 Nov 2013)
Or that people applaud it as acceptable behavior to steal other people's ideas and claim it as their own.
24. JewBakaUCFG (Posts: 173; Member since: 25 Sep 2012)
Oh, man. This will certainly open the floodgates to even more ridiculous answers to questions nobody really cares about. Amazing!
34. Pancholo (Posts: 380; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
I will reserve myself from commenting deeply about this unless they start suing for it.
There's just one thing I must say, though: What the freck, USPTO? The wonders of being rich...
44. roscuthiii (Posts: 2150; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
This sounds a whole lot like Google Helpouts... or has PA and and everyone else overlooked that?
At least in the mobile aspect it does, otherwise, it just sounds like the internet in general. Anyone remember when there was Ask Jeeves?
48. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
Apple patents have also given wisdom to my doggy, before he listen to everyone, now he only listen to me... :p