Apple orders a record 70 million to 80 million units of the Apple iPhone 6 for the initial run
0. phoneArena 21 Jul 2014, 21:05 posted on
According to a report published on Monday, Apple expects to sell a record number of Apple iPhone 6 units following the launch of the device. The report cites those familiar with Apple's plans as saying that the Cupertino tech titan is asking suppliers to produce 70 million to 80 million units of the iPhone 6. That figure combines the 4.7 inch handset, and the 5.5 inch phablet...
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1. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
This year, Apple will go rampage, just as I predicted last year.
2. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10407; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Same has been said since 2010.
9. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
Not by me. Not even once.
The time is ripe to strike the foes when they are vulnerable the most, and it hurts the most.
That's 2014. Coup de grace for many.
20. Finalflash (Posts: 2693; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Good lord you never stop, even doubling down now. Yea sure, and Android will never go 64 bit, just like you preached last year (its impossible, IMPOSSIBLE). Can't wait till they write another article in November saying you were wrong again.
The only thing that will happen with anyone going from Android or WP to iOS is that they will come right back. The one thing that you just can't fight is missing functionality, no matter how many smooth animations you see or how high Apple's profits get (the only two advantages of an iDevice apparently). After dealing with iTunes for the 20th time (possibly punching a monitor for the 20th time, since they are synonymous) and realizing you can't watch a video copied to the device to save your life (not possible without JB), they'll give up. Once L releases (and for the majority of devices of current high end it will be done by the middle of next year), the smoothness issue will be dead and likewise, the app quality issue as well (although that has been proven to be just marketing more than "material").
Regardless, like any number of people that laughed at you and told you of how wrong you were last time (including the editors), you're just setting up to repeat it again. Although I really do wish you luck with your new direction in market analysis, because tech analysis really wasn't your thing.
22. wilsong17 (unregistered)
People just buy a phone no one cares
24. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
May I remind you what I kept telling last year?
1. Android is far from 64bit ready, and GS5 most probably won't be a 64bit phone.
2. 2014 will be hard for Android due to the lack of new features that would justify purchase in such a saturated market.
- true. No single Android phone is sold more than its predecessor in the same time line 2013. Even GS5 failed so bad that many of Sammy's executives are about being buttkicked next month.
3. Apple will go rampage with bigger screens.
4. N6 will most probably be the first 64bit Android phone.
5. Java doesn't benefit much from 64bit computing.
- true. Google is lying with the Dalvik vs ART graph. It just proves what a lousy job they did with the Dalvik JIT. Qualcomm's 32bit JIT is much faster than Google's 64bit ART, and it can hardly get much better on 64bit due to Java's limitations/restrictions.
6. Android's transition will be painful and take years.
- true. Just look at AOSP. aarch64 folders are almost empty. It isn't much different in the most recent PDK.
Where was I wrong?
29. TheMoltenD (Posts: 109; Member since: 13 Jul 2014)
Is that why there are 64bit Intel powered Android tablets?
34. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
A tough question indeed.
It was really hard to decide whether I should give an answer to such a moronic question.
64bit chip + 32bit OS = 32bit system.
I really doubt they will get updates when 64bit Android hits the shelves, even a bogus one.
It doesn't matter at all. x86 is almost the same as x64, unlike ARM.
36. Jobayer (Posts: 167; Member since: 22 Feb 2013)
Dude next time google before you say something absurd ,http://www.pcworld.com/article
40. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
Kernel =/= OS.
prototype =/= product.
I'm really getting sick of you blind Androtakus.
Tell me when they hit the shelves, d'accord?
38. Jobayer (Posts: 167; Member since: 22 Feb 2013)
5. Dalvik is like cooking every time you eat , ART is like cooking once and eating whenever you what . Ahead of time is better than Just in time compiling -_-
39. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
As if knew something.
There's somthing called code cache in association with JIT.
Once compiled, the same area doesn't get compiled again as long as this cache doesn't get deleted.
Educate yourself before posting BS.
45. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2564; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
2.. Nexus 5 sold more than the Nexus 4. Note 3 sold more than the Note 2. The Note 3 alone approaches 50% of all iPhone sales. Yeah hard times for Android lol.
49. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
You are talking about what happened in 2013.
I was talking about what will happen in 2014~2015.
58. sgodsell (Posts: 2982; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
1 Android is far from 64bit. Well some Intel based Android devices have been using a 64bit linux kernel already. I know the VM and Java need to be updated to 64bit (Android L).
Your number 2 is wrong. Last time I looked we are still in the middle of 2014. KitKat has risen quite fast. Not to mention Android L is still going to be released in 2014. Saturation is high for all smart phones. Because for a while now smart phones have been out selling feature phones. Not to mention prices have dropped on mid and low end devices making them worth it to get for a ton of people. Why do you think Motorola has had a great year with a low priced moto g phone. Not to mention all the OEMS have been making great low and mid range smart phones at reasonable prices. Please explain why 233 million Android devices sold in Q1 2014 with the largest share going to Samsung. Only 43 million iPhones, and 7.6 million WP.
5 java doesn't benefit much from 64 bit computing. Where did you pull that information from? Your butt. If Android didn't use Java it wouldn't be where it is today. Java makes Android hardware agnostic and will help propel it into the future. Look at project Ara, which is a perfect example of the future. No other mobile OS could do what Ara is doing if it didn't use Java and a VM. Since Android uses Java and a VM, that is why see so many architectures currently supported. Like x86, MIPS, Every Arm CPU know to man. Now even when Android L drops. Google has stated that all existing apps will benefit from 64bit CPUs without the need to recompile your Java apps. Apps for instance that use doubles, floats, longs will automatically benefit using 64bit computing.
6. Androids transition will be painful and take years. So false on that one because it is using Java and a VM. Not to mention on a number of Intel based Android devices, some OEMS have been using a 64bit Linux kernel already. I hope you do know that Linux has been 64 bit for a long long time already.
59. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
1. What are you talking about? Do you own an Intel based phone? How many people do? Kernel runs in 64bit on *prototypes*.
What's the benefit of a 64bit kernel? none.
2. I wasn't talking about KitKat.
Name me a vendor whose revnue increased in 2014 compared to 2013 time frame. Most probably none.
5. Name a single app that is ported from a different platform, and that wouldn't exist on Android if it was not written in Java. None.
Who owns Ara? No one. Did it pass FCC? no.
What's the benefit of a vaporware? none.
Did you ever take a look at the machine codes generated by JIT or ART, 32bit/64bit? Most certainly not.
Both float and double are handled by the VFP, and VFP has been a 64bit unit all the way along even on 32bit ARM to be IEEE754 compliant.
You are talking about long?
First, there aren't many occasions where you need long. Even if it's the case, it doesn't do heavy computing on this.
Second, int64 makes sense in fixed point arithmetics as temporary container. And hardly anyone bothers with fixed point when programming in Java. They almost always use float or double instead. Forcing fixed point in Java results in split registers even on 64bit ARM.
If you are writing routines where the performance is so crucial that fixed point is necessary, Java is the worst choice. People write theses routines in C or assembly.
Now that's where we are at. Do you think the apps you are using are written 100% in Java?
Stop dreaming. As soon as an app has a single external native routine call, it's over.
Fine, pure Java apps will run roughly 10~20% faster on 64bit machines.
When do they remain pure? When the performance isn't crucial.
Congrats, your phone will be waiting for your input that much faster as well as printing Hello World on the screen.
Are you writing a demanding app? Either you resort to external frameworks or invoke a third party open source library.
Great, they are hardly optimized for 64bit.
You are better served with 32bit version of them, thus forcing the WHOLE app to run in 32bit.
What's the sense here?
64bit ready? Where should I start to laugh?
6. kernel =/= OS
How many times do I have to repeat this?
Kernel-only 64bit is a joke. Majority of the data the kernel deals with consist of addresses. With their sizes doubled, a 64bit kernel is slower than a 32bit one.
When do you think the share of 64bit-feasible Android's share will become the majority?
How long did it take for ICS+ to hit the 50% mark?
Android's transition will take that long.
FYI, iOS6+'s current share is at 95+%, iOS6 being the official minimum requirement for 64bit apps.
Quite a comparison, right?
Even after 4 years, app developers will have it hard finding any compelling reason to support 64bit Android.
33. CreeDiddy (Posts: 600; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
The problems aren't iTunes.'its you. Who stores MP3's on their phone when you have streaming services for $10/ month. You have an old school mentality. Cloud and streaming are the new future.
46. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2564; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
And everybody has unlimited data plans?
21. cezarepc (Posts: 714; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)
iPhones may dominate the top-end market share but Android is growing at an exponential rate specially at the low-end segment.
Both Apple and Android are growing, but Android is growing at a much faster rate. Can't say that it's a vulnerable time for enemies of IOS.
27. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
Same design just took design from HTC. Zzzz
3. Vexify (banned) (Posts: 570; Member since: 16 Jun 2014)
Android isn't going to die, but the iPhone 6 will prevent a lot of sales of other feature phones, including the Note 4, during the release time frame. They always steal the thunder.
8. wilsong17 (unregistered)
Lol keep dreaming is always the same all years pathetic people go buy over priced iPhone
10. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
Android phones are the overpriced ones.
People should get paid for using that crappy OS, being annoyed by stupid ads.
13. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10407; Member since: 14 May 2012)
It takes less than $200 for all the components on an iPhone 5S and Apple sells it for $649+.
On the other hand, Google sells the Nexus 5 for $349. So tell me, which phone is overpriced now?
18. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
If you insist. Nexus 5 is clearly the overpriced one.
Stock Android, stock LCD, stock SoC..... Everything is stock.
Proprietary OS, proprietary SoC, proprietary touchID... You cannot go to Apple and ask them to sell these parts. They are PRICELESS.
28. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10407; Member since: 14 May 2012)
You are officially at the level of taco50. Never have I seen someone so blind and biased since he got the boot.
Your time will come soon enough.
47. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
"Android phones are the overpriced ones. People should get paid for using that crappy OS, being annoyed by stupid ads."
Phil, is that you?
11. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3183; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
unless every iphone person gets a new 6 this will not happen, street views have been 60% dont like the new one.
16. AnTuTu (Posts: 1575; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
Lolz wait for the Note 4 and those 70 - 80 million units will be in Apple's warehouse collecting dust :p
37. TheFirm (Posts: 33; Member since: 05 Jun 2014)
I don't see too many people interested in purchasing that 6.5 inch piece of plastic,lol
50. Sreddy (unregistered)
yap, it will like rather S5 collect dust!
25. TheGenius (Posts: 339; Member since: 06 Mar 2014)
I agree to the first statement.!
I am a die hard android fan but this is the 1st time I am afraid for android or rather samsung. They'll be the biggest fish to feel the hit.
Really hoping note 4 brings something amazing to the table which can withstand the blows of iphone6. But its difficult for note to do so.. since apple has been feeding itself by selling its product to a number of jerks who just need an increase in screen size to flock to apple store and note has been a product for power users and users who could handle power and features.. so yeah adding something so ground breaking as an increase in screen size is one hell of a job.
Wish samsung some luck.!
May the force be with you.
26. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
RIP iPhone 6 by the GALAXY NOTE 4 WITH a curved display screen. ioS8 using outdated software with out dated NFC.
31. TheMoltenD (Posts: 109; Member since: 13 Jul 2014)
IOS 8 still isn't as advanced as Ice Cream Sandwich and its optimization is HORRIBLE.
KitKat runs smoothly on 25% the power of the iphone 5s and it has more features.
52. AlikMalix (Posts: 4705; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
ICS? Are you serious? I'm not even going to reply to that... But the problem with KitKat is even after all this time after the release only about 10% of android users got it (and mostly by those who bought the new phone with it installed). It does not address, but rather proves that the biggest problem that Android has is fragmentation.
Now, before you deny that there isn't read the paragraph above. Due to this fragmentation you are therefore denied any creditability that Android as an updated OS is now optimized (or whatever) because in order to make that claim majority have to be able to use it. At apple that majority standard is 85%+ (not 60%, not 51%).
For crying out loud, the next version "L" is coming out soon and KitKat is still waiting to be installed by almost all android users: what is it like half ICS/ half JB - dude, half of android users are stuck in 2010.
Delet that post, and save it - you can claim that when KitKat reaches 5 times the penetration it has today (at least).
It's like telling everyone how cool I am that when i grow up I'll buy a Ferrari, while you still ride your bike to school.
44. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
Sammy's next CEO will get buttkicked due to GN4's epic fail, just like the current ond to GS5's.
42. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2564; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Oh please. Sure they will sell a lot this year, but RIP Android? Wake up....
7. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10407; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Agreed. They should at least seven billion for every single person in the world.
17. AnTuTu (Posts: 1575; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
hahaha and I would still not buy even if they offer it for free ;)
56. givemespecs (unregistered)
that's right you wouldn't because 'buy' technically means...to pay for!
19. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
Apple just has to dominate the high end segment.
Stuck to the low budget market, Android vendors will starve.
43. AnTuTu (Posts: 1575; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
No matter how much you are writing about Apple on every article. Your fruit company doesn't even give a damn who the hell you are.
So stop being Apple's bitch and grow up. I laugh when I read your comments mate.
48. Sreddy (unregistered)
does your company give a damn about you then? lol .. the motive of giving features to users is also tht they can make money, youre just stupid, not able to realise that. dont think that they thinking of you, theyre thinking of themselves..
53. AnTuTu (Posts: 1575; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
Hahahah another buthurt iFan hahahaha. For you guys Apple is your God hahahahaha
55. Sreddy (unregistered)
^ lol .. apple, atleast not samsung :P
5. wilsong17 (unregistered)
Ifan Be Like Les Make THe Line
54. AnTuTu (Posts: 1575; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
Yeah they would even line up if Apple release a new charger for their phones :p
6. tettech (Posts: 69; Member since: 18 Dec 2013)
I won't be one of those millions buying the new model. Contract doesn't end till 2015. Perhaps, I'll give iWatch or whatever it's gonna be called a try.
23. willard12 (Posts: 1508; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Hopefully, iwatch capability will come to your version of ios 8. Not all versions of ios 8 will be created equally.
12. brasstax (Posts: 230; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Note 4 is a feature phone?. And this comment from an iPhone fan.
Biggest joke of human history
15. superduper (Posts: 151; Member since: 20 Oct 2013)
It's laden with features (what some would call "bloat"). So yes, the Note 4 is the supreme feature phone. You should be proud. :)
32. TheMoltenD (Posts: 109; Member since: 13 Jul 2014)
He thought you meant it was one of those crappy feature carrier phones not a feature packed phone.
51. superduper (Posts: 151; Member since: 20 Oct 2013)
But it is a crappy feature carrier-branded phone. :D
35. CreeDiddy (Posts: 600; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
What this spells for Apple is a 15 billion dollar quarter in profit. The first in mobile industry history. Also roughly 300-400 million iPhones sold by Sept 2015.
41. Cicero (Posts: 836; Member since: 22 Jan 2014)
I see here big expectations from Apple fans. Be prepared also for dark side of the moon. It can happen like always do.
57. givemespecs (unregistered)
Lots of hate going on both ways here. I've had Android, WP and iOS and the only OS I have not been tempted to leave is iOS. I can't properly explain why, but it just does everything I want it to do simply and effortlessly. The iPhone 5S is a bit too small for me, but the LG G2 was way too big, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Apple keeps those bezels as small as possible to minimise the increase in device size.