Apple is building its own Maps, but will it matter?
0. phoneArena 02 Nov 2011, 16:05 posted on
Apple has obviously been busy at work building its own map application to replace Google Maps on iOS, but what does Apple Maps need to be able to do, and when will we see it?...
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1. Muhannad (Posts: 455; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
Google Maps is very well established, it'll be very hard to replace free turn-by-turn navigation with something of their own.
33. Lucas777 (Posts: 2115; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
i thikn you are definately wrong... apple wud not do this if it was not better than what they already have... its just not what they do.. they want the best consumer experience and if this is how they see fit, which i think its a great idea with all their extra cash, then go head!
35. Lucas777 (Posts: 2115; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
yes. if apple can make it better than googles they will do it.. if they cant they will not... just like they dont have the maps right now because they dont have everything google has... but give them time to make their own and if it is better they will use it
36. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
They will try no doubt but the amount of catch up required is unimaginable.
46. Lucas777 (Posts: 2115; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
haha its imagined quite easily, as shown in the report above… but sarcastic comments aside, why do u think apple can not do it? they have such a large amount of money im sure they could rent vans satelites buy websites whatever they need to make it a reality
51. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Didn't say they couldn't.. Said unimaginable.. Renting vans to drive every street.. Every highway.. isn't cheap nor will it happen quickly.. To catch up is like someone getting a 5 day head start when the goal is running across the united states.. Trying to catch up to someone who has not stopped running.. Money only makes up a small portion of the feat. Google has exploded.. Android has grown at such a fast rate faster than most expected.. Sj didn't see it as a threat till they got speed.. Then he freaked out. Evolution favors the strong... Those who adapt.. Not those who remain constant.. Apple seems to be making changes. Doesn't mean they are godly and will just materialize some revolutionary map program that will dominate all that is google maps. Look at the big picture.. Google was just a search engine what has it accomplished.. What had it become.. How many man hours were put into google maps? Were talking about catchup.. feasible perhaps.. But only in the long run.. question is what can they bring to the table that hasn't been done in this arena? You make it out like google maps can be easily bested.
58. Lucas777 (Posts: 2115; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
um can we stick to maps please? and ya i think apple, from the looks of their acquisitions, is in a great place to have something of equal or better than google maps... (ironically) apple will use partners and other people to get the job done much quicker that google has on its own... hahahahahah u think apple hast adapted from when the stock was 2 cents? hahahahahahah and to put it in your analogy, google might have a head start and be lost somehwere in the mountains of Utah (starting from cali of course) but apple will use a baton to pass it between people who each complete a small part of the journey, therefore at least catching up to google and possible surpassing it...
54. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
And we are talking about Apple besting google not besting themselves.. Any company can improve on its own previous work hence "the best iPhone yet" not "the best smart phone yet"
57. Lucas777 (Posts: 2115; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
well as i said, if it does not best google's then they will not use it
104. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
That's not saying much.. They couldn't put out a better phone than what's on the market.... Yet they still put out the 4s :)
6. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
They are too late to try to establish any type of benchmark for a gps. Granted the iphone 4s should have included a decent type of gps instead of a low quality type of upgrade it received to its received.
22. speckledapple (Posts: 873; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
I will agree with you. Although I try and use other services I must admit, its the best. Apple building a maps program might draw some adopters in the short term but over the long haul might not be what google maps continues to be (remember ping anyone). not everything they do can be successful but trying doesn't hurt, look at Microsoft.
28. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
Definately one should keep a healthy open mind and try new services or else innovation and competition would cease.
55. TacoTrooper (Posts: 21; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
Once apple finished making this bad boy google maps will be down right ugly and obsolete. Hopefully android won't try to steal any more of Apples ideas.
72. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
So by Apple doing this.. its CLEARLY something noone has ever done before right lol.
94. IrishTalian (Posts: 2; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
Are you serious, stupid or most likely both?! First of all, there is no confirmation that Apple is actually going to develop a map program. Second, Android copying from iOS?!!? Once again, are you serious? Oh yeah, you're stupid and serious!
For a long, long time now, Apple has been copying Android, BIG TIME! They copied multi-tasking/background apps, cloud support, voice activated services and the notification system...just to name a few things. But now, they're even trying to copy Google, by creating their own maps program! Those are all facts!!! Do some research before making stupid comments!
2. SJisaBitch (Posts: 8; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)
whatever ideas apple decides to steal or buy they will be sure to patent it
7. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
I'm sure they will create a gps similar to googles and prob will patent the directional arrows lolz
3. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
Good luck Apple spend all those money $70 billion dollars will get 3D HD Map which is better than Google 3D.
4. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
The google map app on android is definately a great utility and it would be nice to see some sort of text to speech good quality gps on the iphone granted it prob won't be as robust as googles but it will enhance the iphone.
8. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
This is a sad as cricket trying to establish itself as a cell company. Took how many years to get street views for google... Gl Apple
9. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Introducing in iOS 6:
iMaps. Exactly like Google Apps, but with a different new magical logo. Requires a paid subscription of 99.99$ a month to use. Only on the iPhone 5.
Introducing in iOS 7:
iRadio. Uses the special magical amazing radio transmitter on the iPhone 6 to receive radio signals. Up to 3 radio stations can be added. You can add 2 more via in-app purchases for 9.99$. Only on the iPhone 5S
Introducing iOS 8 - A whole new level for iOS. Magical live wallpapers. You can buy them for 2.99$ a piece in iTunes.Only on iPhone 6
Introducing iOS 9 - Magical camera options. Because face it, who cares about the iPhone in 2015. World moved to Android. But just because we still want to make some cash, even though we lost all of our innovation and rely mostly on patent lawsuits to make money - introducing the iPhone 6S. The first iPhone with a 4" screen. Magical and revolutionary.
10. jdrevolution (Posts: 87; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
That sounds incredibly magical! Maybe it'll be rainbow colored magic and they'll say it's a tribute to the original apple too.
11. andro. (Posts: 1890; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
You forgot to ad the fundamental heading to all these great inventions apple will introduc in the future........"this changes everything again"
14. darkkjedii (Posts: 7799; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Halarious and this is from an iOS guy. But funny is funny ,and that was funny.
21. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no no.. the rumors will say its a 4inch.. when in reality it goes up to a 3.6 inch!! thats all extra magic right there!! lol
iOS10- you can now call people by holding the phone ALMOST anyway you want!! :)
107. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
lol.. you really made me laugh .. thanx man !!! .. but seriously all of it sounds very true to me
12. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Just wanted to point out that Google Maps has had that live traffic rerouting for quite some time now. It tracks people's cell phone speeds as they travel the roads and reroutes in real time if there is a major slowdown that is unusual.
This is one area where Apple will never catch up. I cant think of any "major" or "ground breaking" ideas left that they could use to leapfrog big G. Add Google's constistant updates and feature additions and it just seems like the unending road to catch up.. much less leap frog.
I've been hoping that google stops supporting iOS devices for navigation all together but I know thats against google's "do no evil" policy. They dont care, they just want their apps used everywhere.. that whole ubiquitous archipelago we talked about the other day. At least they are giving their own platform a real priority now as far as updates and features where they didnt really at first.
23. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Someone said self exile lol due to a taco bet. All good maybe they were just a few tacos short of a combo plate eh.
31. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
oh oh.. no, Taco keeps running around pretending he is going to get me "banned".
What it is (and ive explained this on 3 threads now but they move so fast... lol)
Taco and I have a bet. the bet is simple. Whoever sells the most in Q1 2012 wins. I've chosen samsung, he chose apple. The loser gets exiled forever from the boards. Taco thinks apple will win because apple is god to him, so he is ranting and raving all over the place about how he is going to "get me banned forever".
Nothing is further from the truth. Both have had top spots this year, so its anyone's game.
Its going to be a while though, as we have to wait for those Q1 results to come in.
I hope he keeps acting like a fool about it and reminding everyone, so when Apple loses (and they will), he has no wiggle room to say he "forgot" or there was no such bet.
32. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Ah lol yeah I'm with you with the Samsung winning they have been doing great. Q4 id say Apple but with the turnover rate for iPhone users id say q1 they won't be selling nearly as much.
37. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
thats my thinking.. that and the 4s will be nearly 6 months old by the time Q1 ends while samsung will be launching new top end phone after new phone. With the nexus being later than we all expected, its sales should be strong through Q1 as well.. put it side by side with the i4 in a store, and it will kill most i4 sales.
38. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Couldn't agree more. Taco will eat his words no doubt. Id be more than happy to join you on this bet :)
56. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Jobes I'd be happy for you to join the bet. Apple vs Samsuck. Most smartphones sold in Q1. Loser can't post again ever n PA.
I'd love to ban as many idiots as possible.
65. protozeloz (Posts: 5189; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
1. It's not ban if you don't know what the word ban means you should not use it.
2. If you want all idiots to leave them make sure you are gone too. PA will be idiot free
42. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
Dude you are going to hardcore lose that bet. You should have put like 2 or 3 manufactures against the Iphone sales. No one Android manufacture will beat Apple in sales.
69. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you realize that apple only took the top spot for 2 quarters.. and samsung BEAT APPLE in Q3 of this year right? lol
Apple will only get a bump in Q4 for the iphone4s release, but will go back to second place in Q1 2012 as the phone gets older and less relevant than it already is, against Samsung's current line up + all the stuff thats about to launch
SGS1 + SGS2 + Nexus + Note > 3gs + 4 + 4s
70. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2575; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I don't know man, I think you might be in more trouble than you think. Apple sales always go down before a new model launch. Also, did the bet specify worldwide sales or just US?
74. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
total world wide sales for the quarter. Not specific to any country or category.
Its a toss up. I think i have a better chance at winning than losing because it is Total Worldwide Sales. :)
Samsung took first place from Apple without having their biggest phone in their biggest market, which of course was the SGS2 in america. So that more than makes up for anyone "holding off" on buying the new iphone. If that many people were holding off, apple's sales would have had a huge downturn for Q3, which they didnt. If i remember correctly they were stagnant or slightly up. Samsung also has to compete with other android manufacturers will apple has no internal competition... and samsung still won.
Its anyone's game, but my chances are better. :)
75. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
It's world wide smartphone sales. Feature phones aren't counted.
77. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
in which samsung still won... even with just the smartphone sales. By 2 million i think :)
99. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2575; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It'll be an interesting bet to keep an eye on. I'm not sure I would have made that bet, because I think there are more people who would wait on Apple before buying a smartphone than there are who would wait for Samsung, especially given the choices available in the Android ecosystem.
Also, the SGS2 may be just launching in America, but it has been out for a while in the rest of the world. I'd assume that means the sales around the world for the SGS2 will be dropping at a time when the iPhone is still relatively new.
It's gonna be close, and I'm not sure I agree that your chances are better.
103. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Outside of america the iphone isnt nearly as strong of a seller. The bulk of the people that want the i4s are going to get it by christmas.
Working in the industry, I can tell you that is no longer true. I have had dozens of customers that held off until they knew if we were getting the SGS2 or not, and then held off until it was released. Were talking MONTHS. That has never happened for an android phone before.
HTC and Samsung have the best brand recognition in the android world (id give it to HTC as they have a better over all reputation) but Samsung has the only actual Android "Brand" that is known and coveted across the world, which is the Galaxy series.
In PA's own articles, it was showing how the SGS2 has been outselling the iphone in nearly every country they were both in since the day it was launched. It set sales records for android without being launched in america. I would have loved to see what it would have been like had the american carriers not screwed us and made us wait 6 months for its release.... and not made a snapdragon version..
I dont accept the "apple lost to samsung because everyone was waiting for the i5 announcement" because their sales didnt drop and most iphone users by their own admission are not that tech savy to know one from the other... or at least care. Apples sales were steady and stagnant while Samsung's shot through the roof on the back of the SGS2.
I wish the SGS2 and the 4s had launched at the same time, because then I WOULD have taken a phone vs phone bet... and won. Maybe next year with the i5 and SGS3.
Goodbye taco with this bet, and goodbye Gallito with the next one.
106. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its amazing that im right so often then, huh.. maybe its not me that lives in a fake world? hmmm? :)
73. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
It was outdated before it was even released.. the iphone 4s that is lol. Apple is simply riding on the "idiots will buy it" the Jobs idea.
19. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2575; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Added that in, but with the notes that 1) the feature is in beta (as are most Google products), and 2) it is part of Google Maps Navigation, which is separate, because you wouldn't get the rerouting if you just used Google Maps for directions.
15. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
Google Earth - Apple will never catch up in 10 years if Apple start from scratch.
17. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2575; Member since: 26 May 2011)
That's why they've been purchasing the building blocks.
16. Robes1 (Posts: 17; Member since: 08 Dec 2009)
Google Maps isn't the same app on the iPhone that you guys have on Android phones. On the iPhone almost every app on their is better than Google Maps. Not saying that it's Google's fault. Just the truth. The maps that comes on Android phones is awesome. But the iPhone version could almost be beat with a cowbell and a crayon. It won't be hard for Apple to put it to shame.
18. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2575; Member since: 26 May 2011)
None of what you said makes sense. Are you trying to say that apps in general are better on the iPhone, or are you actually trying to say that Google Maps is better on the iPhone?
39. doubleD (Posts: 78; Member since: 13 Dec 2010)
He's saying Google Maps on the iPhone isn't nearly as good as Google Maps for Android, and is going so far as to say the iPhone Google maps is so bad that all other map apps available for the iphone are better than the Google Maps for the iPhone.
Because of the poor quality of the Google maps for iPhone, according to Robes, Apple would not have a problem creating a superior map app.
He's not saying Google Maps is bad, just that the google maps for iPhone is bad. The Android version of Google maps is far superior.
I didn't find it confusing.
26. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
I think he's saying (incoherently) the map apps on the iphone in general are better than google maps on the android platform.....lol....lol...if this is what he means any map app on the iphone is like holding a candle light (iphone map app) in front of the sun(google maps app) you can't compare!
27. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2575; Member since: 26 May 2011)
That's why I had to ask, because there's no way that anyone could believe that the Google Maps on iOS is better than on Android.