Apple invites independent environmental organizations to inspect its Chinese suppliers
0. phoneArena 21 Feb 2012, 09:33 posted on
The audit is supposed to start in March with two suppliers, eventually expanding to the whole chain that produces Apple gadgets. The NGO has had six meeting and conference calls with Apple since last September discussing the details...
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1. Giggity (Posts: 147; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)
“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.”
- Ben Franklin-
2. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)
hope this will shut remix once and for all... good job Apple
4. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
not even close. its a start, but its a curated start, so again, i still dont trust it. if apple had nothing to hide, they would tell these people to "pick any factory at any time" instead of telling them which 2 factories they can visit and when they can visit. Sounds like a clean up job to me.
not my fault you lack the ability to see the bigger picture.
"Apple has been letting 3rd party NGOs for a few weeks now to prepare for inspection of its Chinese suppliers."
" The NGO has had six meeting and conference calls with Apple since last September"
" two of the 14 suppliers"
apple has been warning their suppliers to clean up their act. They have been bartering with the NGO on when and where they can go, and its only 2 of 14 suppliers, on a certain date and time. Thats roughly 14% of its suppliers on a curated time table. Thats not impressive. Thats "were gonna clean it up for the day and get positive press"
5. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)
of course not.. I do see the bigger picture... but that happens in every company as soon as corporate is coming they clean up.. doesn't necessarily means that there is something wrong.. right. is just because that how it is... but anyhow since you don't want to give up you Xbox since it was made by Foxconn.. that makes you a hypocrite... whether u like it or not...
6. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
giving up my xbox at this point does nothing to help them, so it does not make me a hippocrit. not buying another one, however does in a small way help them. if people banded together and loudly proclaimed that they refused to buy foxconn goods until situations improved, then change would happen. as long as there are apathetic iDiots in the world fighting against making things better, however, nothing will change.
If foxconn does actually change, and actual independent companies can walk in at any time and find decent conditions for people, my tune will change. until then, it wont. your either for the change and helping bring it, or your not. anything other than taking a stand is not for helping them because doing nothing is the same as saying "keep up the good work, slavedrivers"
9. greathero1 (Posts: 566; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
I hear you about taking a stand but you must not be prepared to purchase any consumer electronic device for a while. We have already seen a report stating Foxconns issues but at the same time talk about the pay and conditions at alternative manufacturer plants. That means no to Apple, Samsung, Amazon, and a host of other manufacturers across an even larger range of products. Where are your shoes and clothes made? Your furniture and home appliances? I mean, I hear you on taking a stand but I hope this is bigger than Apple hate because they are one company amonst 100s who do business with these Chinese companies.
10. Hallucinator (Posts: 387; Member since: 24 May 2010)
I do agree that getting rid of a product does nothing. If we all refused to buy anything made at foxconn, well we would not end up getting much. I admit that I am a hypocrite. I hate the way things are done there, but I will buy the Iphone 5-6 whatever they call it. Does it make me a bad person. I don't think so. Does it make me a hypocrite? Probably.
11. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)
if you don't purchase their product you know what else can happen.. they may let go of some people since business is slow.. thank you very much for that.. they would really like to thank you.. second... other than venting and not purchasing faxcoon products.. are you doing something else?... something that could make a difference?...
13. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yes, people may be let go. that is the short term effect. the long term effect is that pay and working conditions will get better. should i cry for a few that let go or cheer for the hundreds of thousands that are helped by the actions?
16. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)
sure hunger can wait right?... and since you didnt answer what else you are doing... other than...this.. you are no different than me,, than the rest of us.. bottom line your little stand.. would not benefit them in any.. any way...
8. thephoneguy92 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
I was thinking the same thing. Apple knows that investigations are inevitable, so they clean up a few of their factories and invite the investigations. Seems to me to be a pretty obvious reason as to why they are doing this.
12. greathero1 (Posts: 566; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
Well he actually has a point but I think its more about Apple hate with him than genuine concern for working conditions. If we are going to take a stand, lets not just throw Apple under the bus. Foxconn is one of many companies who have horrible work conditions. Also Foxconn's customer list includes Acer, Amazon, Apple, Cisco, Dell, Gateway, HP, Intel, Microsoft, Motorola, Nintendo, Nokia, Sony, Toshiba, and Vizio to name a few. Why are we only talking about singling out Apple when we should be rounding up all of them?
14. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
this point has been brought up 400 times.
i single out apple for a reason. they are bigger than just about everyone else on that list combined, including microsoft. Which makes them foxconns biggest and most important client. If apple barks, foxconn will listen.
I also give MS crap about it all the time but you guys seem to forget that part. Where was that mass suicide staged at? At the Xbox plant.
I havent bought a single product from a single company on that list since finding out about these issues. Samsung makes their phones in house, not through foxcon. They also have US factories, something almost none of those companies listed have.
15. greathero1 (Posts: 566; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
I hear you but ok, Samsung makes their phones in Korea BUT they contract out many services and they are a client of Foxconn. They are just as guilty right? Also, its cool that Samsung has plants in the US and provide jobs here but Apple also employs over 12K people here as well. Seriously bro, they are two of the same with different names. Sure Samsung has more factories in more places because they have multiple business divisions but they take advantage of the cheap labor just like all the others and should not be given a pass. This campaign of your has to be bigger than Apple bro. Im just saying.
17. baaam (Posts: 61; Member since: 06 Jan 2012)
You people are missing remix point. Probably will not understand since you're Apple fans. Apple is the biggest and most important client of Foxconn. If they start cleaning other clients will surely follow.
20. iBeliever (banned) (Posts: 33; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)
It's stupid to single out one company when there's so many doing the same.
22. bayusuputra (Posts: 963; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
Apple and its factories should let the auditors to come anytime they want, and to any factories they want, not at some predefined time and location, where everything could be orchestrated.
it's the same like those class inspections when you were still in school, your teacher would tell you when the inspection would take place and the class would turn from playful to very serious and started asking question to the teacher.
if apple has got nothing to hide, it should let auditors come as and when they like/need to, and not tell them when to come..
sigh, even in factories auditing, apple still tell people what to do..
i think there should be a PI that goes in undercover, like those who busted out the cruel animal farms, that's when you would see the true conditions inside the factories..
3. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
Everyboby,quick!!! Hide the slaves,clean the blood off the pavement!!! Bring some happy looking,smiling chinese to the front!!!
7. tluv00 (Posts: 134; Member since: 18 Oct 2007)
There is a specific reason professional sports do random testing as opposed to giving all athletes a schedule of when they will be tested throughout the year. The fear of getting caught (okay well sometimes getting caught).
I work as an onsite vendor manager for our client and we are randomly audited for the same reason. To make sure we are doing the right thing everyday....not just the day the auditors show up.
While a gesture, announcing it to the world and the vendor about to be audited doesn't exactly mean that anything will come from this visit except for the results Apple, Foxconn and Foxconn's other clients (Apple's not the only one) are looking for. Not the employees being effected.
18. andro. (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Two 'random' factories will be chosen no doubt. The two with the least anti suicide nets on the roofs
21. iBeliever (banned) (Posts: 33; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)
Apple is really bending over backwards here and the haters are still not satisfied.