Apple iPhone subsidies won't disappear says J.P. Morgan analyst
0. phoneArena 11 May 2012, 09:40 posted on
The decision by two Spanish carriers to eliminate subsidies on Apple iPhone sales won't spread through out the globe according to J.P. Morgan analyst Katy Huberty; the brokerage firm sees 25 million to 28 million units of the iconic smartphone being shied in the current quarter...
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1. bragzter (Posts: 52; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)
Without carriers Apple is doomed. So why don't carriers negotiate a lower fee with Apple. But I don't know if they will do that especially as it was rumored Apple wanted to drop carriers. We'll see how this plays out. But if all carriers demand that from Apple, they will have no choice.
10. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple will do fine without subsidies, but android is dead without them. For a case study check the tablet market. Apple dominates with no subsidies.
12. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
but we're talking about phones genius lol
apple is eventually going to bend. Once the fad goes away and people realize what they're missing with other OS's (windows android...pick your poison)
carriers will eventually fight back, but for now they iLube it up and take it where the sun dont shine
19. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
iPhone isn't a fad so that's wishful thinking. The tablet market is not heavily subsidized like the smartphone market. People just aren't willing to pay high prices for android.
26. chadrick0814 (Posts: 208; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but iPad had about 80% of the tablet market and is now down to just over 50% in a year and a half. Is that really "dominating" considering that just a few years ago Apple dominated the smartphone market? Subsidies will eventually erode along with eroding market share. JP Morgan is the same bank that just lost $ 2 billion in a matter of days over another bad prediction they made.
21. eDiesel (Posts: 142; Member since: 17 Mar 2012)
What are you talking about. Apple will sink without subsidies. I sell androids all the time with out subsidies. (virgin mobile, boost, Go phone......)
23. phantom1076 (Posts: 11; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
except the iphone 4s without subsidy cost $649 while similar phones with better specs, better looking like HTC One S is going for $$400. I dont care how popular Apple is, pricing at the end of the day still matters. Not that many people will pay $700 for a phone. I know you will point out Asian markets, but those people are not going to make Apple selling 35m/quarter.
Everyone knows Apple makes out like bandits with carrier subsidy while Android manufacturers don't hold the same power. Even the Samsung Galaxy S II is only paid for around $300-350 by Carriers, while iphone 4S is $450 for each carriers. They subsidize the iPhone high pricing by raising the price on 4G Android.
22. APPLE_R0YALLY (banned) (Posts: 73; Member since: 08 May 2012)
We need and require subsidies, this is Business™
2. theoak (Posts: 324; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
The iPhone is like 50% (exaggerating some) of all smart phones being used on a given carrier. And hence gives the carrier data and texting revenue. Like it or not, the carriers need the iPhone too; probably more so. Look at Sprint for example. They needed the iPhone to keep folks on Sprint.
5. -box- (Posts: 3990; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Yeah but that hasn't really worked for them yet. They got some new subscribers and kept some, but they lost a fair amount due to data speeds and coverage gaps
9. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Wrong Sprint had their best quarter with the iPhone. T-Mobile got crushed without one though.
13. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
they had their best selling quarter in terms of sales themselves, but their profit margin?
isnt that what business is ultimately about??
18. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Yes business is about making money. So why do you think carriers are willing to sell cell phones at subsidy prices? That's all phones not just iPhones. Why do all the carriers want an iPhone?
Pa posted an interview with Randall Stephenson last week. He goes over why the iPhone subsidies are worth it to carriers.
17. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Tmobile just had a positive quarter. you are wrong like always.
25. jdcxxx (Posts: 15; Member since: 14 Nov 2011)
Although sprint record an increase in subscribers they lost over 800 million dollars. The same time last year sprint lost around 450 million. The iphone subsidies and converting to LTE led to sprints huge losses.
3. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Good article...instead of lowering subsidies...raise the upgrade fees....right?
4. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Subsidies may never go away, but they are going to lessen as the years go on. Why do I think that? Look at the rise of prepaid services. What used to be just a tiny fraction of the industry is now big big money and growing. You dont get heavily discounted phones with prepaid. I think that will take a lot of pressure off the big carriers to make phones so cheap and we will start to see a rise in phone pricing as subsidies shrink a long side plan costs. As more and more people move to the metro's and to plan's like Tmobile's Value plan unlimited for $60 bux, people will start wising up to how much they are actually paying for that "upgrade pricing".
Its not going to happen tomorrow, but I believe it will happen.
6. PimpStrong (Posts: 310; Member since: 25 Jul 2011)
I would love to keep my phone for years and pay a cheaper non-subsidized plan on TMO but I'm buying a new phone almost annually.
16. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
then get smart about it and pick up phones on places like ebay and craigslist and get on an unsubsidized plan. If they are breaking on you from use, then pay for the insurance which gives u lifetime warranty on it. Once I'm out of the mobile business i have no intentions of ever going back on contract. its too expencive and you get locked in. Bunk that. $30 bux a month for 5 gigs of 4g data, unlimited text, and 100 mins.. perfect plan for me. You would have to buy a new high end phone every 6 months just to equal what you pay on contract at places like VZW and ATT.
7. jdcxxx (Posts: 15; Member since: 14 Nov 2011)
J P Morgan just admitted to losing 2 billion dollars from trade loses. I'm hesitant to believe any analyst from jp Morgan right now
8. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
I hope subsidies on Windows Phone aren't so expensive... :)
11. Phoneguy007 (Posts: 218; Member since: 02 Jun 2011)
I think apple will eventually lower subsidies but I dont see them doing it any time soon.
14. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
took the words right out of my mouth
when the fad dies down they'll be forced to give a little. right now the name sells itself, but when the novelty wears off with newer operating systems coming out the tide will change
27. mrochester (unregistered)
5 years and we're still waiting for this "fad" to be over! I think the Android "fad" will be over long before the iPhone "fad" is.
20. jeff327 (Posts: 82; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)
Is today the day you want to run a story based on a JP Morgan analysts? Considering their own news today I would not trust anything that comes there way.
24. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
If apple can adapt to whatever changes in the marketplace occur, then they should be fine. We will see how it goes, if and when a smaller ipad is actually released, as well as seeing if when the iphone 4GS is released, if it will have 4G LTE and a bigger screen as customers want those qualities in a phone and settle for the tiny iphone at times.
28. Fuego84 (Posts: 338; Member since: 13 May 2012)
Where did you get that info on the HTC One S being $400 unsubsidized? I went to T-Mobile and it cost $600 unsubsidized and at best buy its $649.00, which is where I bought my HTC One S + $168.99 on the 2yr Black Tie Insurance plan. Oh and yes I'm more willing to pay $700 to for an android handset not tied down to a 2yr contract than to buy an outdated Apple IPhone.