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Apple iPhone install base is still heavy on the iPhone 4/4S, giving prospects for massive upgrades ahead

0. phoneArena 02 May 2014, 23:13 posted on

When people think of Apple, they think of the iPhone, plain and simple. Analysts at Morgan Stanley...

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posted on 02 May 2014, 23:30 7

1. ihavenoname (Posts: 1693; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)

I've noticed the same thing. When I sit at the bus, or train, or restaurant, or walk at the street, almost everybody or at least couple have 4/4S. (I live in Helsinki, Finland). Well, on the other hand GS3 and 920 seem to be very popular also after 520.

posted on 03 May 2014, 04:49

18. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3535; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)

You're also Finnish? Wow didn't know.

posted on 03 May 2014, 10:49

35. icyrock1 (Posts: 307; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)

Yep. Same thing here in the US. While us more Tech savvy users like having the latest and greatest, -we are the minority-. Lots of people are just fine keeping the same phone for two or three years.

posted on 02 May 2014, 23:33 6

2. likemorethan1 (Posts: 48; Member since: 22 Aug 2013)

In the end, they're like Steve's legacy though

posted on 02 May 2014, 23:42

3. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

My wife had the Verizon i4, but, after awhile there were some apps that were not working - now she has an AT&T i5C and is happy, again...oh well, no one is perfect.

posted on 03 May 2014, 09:36 4

30. __0__ (banned) (Posts: 242; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)

5C is a good device

posted on 02 May 2014, 23:44 2

4. baldilocks (Posts: 758; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)

That chart isn't even correct. The iPhone wasn't even available on Verizon, let alone Sprint, until the iPhone 4.....

posted on 03 May 2014, 00:06 10

7. Maxwell.R (Posts: 217; Member since: 20 Sep 2012)

Hence the part where we wrote: "We will first note that the survey and research shows some errors. The iPhone 3GS or older is not compatible with the incumbent networks of Verizon or Sprint, so we will chalk that up to common margins of error when it comes to surveying." Also, AT&T and Verizon did trade some properties which meant that some customer base might have had AT&T sourced iPhones from a previous generation. Still, it is more likely a survey error, "Which iPhone do you have?" "I don't know, I get 3G with it." - etc...

posted on 03 May 2014, 03:00 3

12. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)

That they could make such blaring mistakes such as saying there were iPhones before the 4 on VZW and before the 4S on Sprint kind of calls into question the integrity of the survey and analysis. Heck, if this is the kind of rigorous research needed to work at Morgan Stanley I should see if my 8 year old cousin could get a job (I kid).

But really, it does seem that it isn't unfair to call into question the actual stats they give us for the rest if that is the type of stringent quality control they put in place. Not that I would imagine the analysis or data would change very much, I myself am still on a 4S as well as 2 other family members. So I personally am waiting to upgrade, even if that is just anecdotal evidence to support their claims.

posted on 03 May 2014, 03:35

13. Finalflash (Posts: 3433; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)

I dont see how they couldn't just be unlocked devices on different networks. People with jailbreak and unlocked phones could easily use those networks (gsm).

posted on 03 May 2014, 04:23 1

16. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)

VZW and Sprint use CDMA (and LTE now), the first iPhone to have CDMA included was the iPhone 4, and that still didn't work with Sprint. Sprint didn't get an iPhone until the 4S. Even if the person had an unlocked iPhone 3GS on AT&T, they still wouldn't be able to take it to VZW or Sprint as it doesn't have the necessary network technology in it.

posted on 03 May 2014, 11:49

36. tedkord (Posts: 13235; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

They always sold previous generations, so once the 4 released did they release the 3gs with Verizon bands? I'm asking, I honestly don't know.

posted on 03 May 2014, 17:08

44. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)

No, they just continued selling those phones as is. VZW only had the 4 to start out with

posted on 03 May 2014, 18:00

45. Jommick (Posts: 221; Member since: 10 Sep 2013)

It could also be there's a good enough portion of people who literally took a CDMA antenna and replaced the GSM antenna in their 3GS - far less common than 3% though

posted on 04 May 2014, 07:57

50. chebner (Posts: 235; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

You are correct that Sprint didn't get the iPhone until the 4s was released but Sprint did get the 4 at the same time or a short time later. My daughter has an iPhone 4 on Sprint; she's had it about 18 months.

It was painfully slow when she got it but she insisted on an iPhone and I wasnt going to shell out $200 on a 4s for a 5th grader. Trying to convince her to go Android when she upgrades. She likes the look of my ONE M8.

posted on 02 May 2014, 23:48 2

5. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)

As the iPhone 4 and 4S are often free on contract, I wonder how much of the iPhone 4/4S installed base is just people who couldn't afford the 5/5c/5s.

posted on 03 May 2014, 15:28

41. Jommick (Posts: 221; Member since: 10 Sep 2013)

It's quite a bit. A large percentage of my sales are people who want an 8gb iphone 4/4s. Heck, there are still people who get the iphone 4s for $0,99 USD.

posted on 02 May 2014, 23:48 1

6. ThePython (Posts: 901; Member since: 08 May 2013)

I'm not surprised at all. Most iPhones I see here are either 4/4s. Although I do see the 5/5s from time to time. Never a 5c. Lol.

posted on 03 May 2014, 03:52 1

15. xoxoGeorges (Posts: 209; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)

Only time I've seen the 5c is in a store lmao.

posted on 03 May 2014, 08:04 1

27. dontneedtoknow (Posts: 158; Member since: 17 Feb 2014)

It's really popular with teens! Most people at my school have iPhone 5c. I have seen more than 30

posted on 03 May 2014, 00:07 3

8. PermanentHiatus (Posts: 267; Member since: 22 Jun 2012)

Poor iPhone 4 and 4S users, can't connect to LTE :(

posted on 03 May 2014, 00:10 5

9. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)

Who cares? The carriers have ruined LTE with high prices, ridiculous data caps and rapacious overage fees.

posted on 03 May 2014, 00:12 6

10. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)

LOL...South Korea already have LTE-Advance, so don't be proud of having LTE. And also, some countries still don't have LTE.

LTE is not everything.

posted on 03 May 2014, 00:28 7

11. Sauce (unregistered)

LTE is glorified unreliable 3g .

posted on 03 May 2014, 03:39 3

14. Finalflash (Posts: 3433; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)

Are you joking or something? 4g is bloody amazing here in the UK. My bro is on EE and his 4g is always great but kinda slow at 30 mbps. I went with 3 since I live in London or Manchester usually and the 4g is usually a ridiculous 40+ mbps. Even my 3g is about 20 mbps though but with unlimited 4g I literally watch HD videos exclusively anytime.

posted on 03 May 2014, 04:55 1

19. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3535; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)

The biggest problem with those is the ridiculously small screen lol.

posted on 03 May 2014, 04:59 2

20. power_x (Posts: 264; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)

In Egypt they don't even have proper 3G networks

posted on 03 May 2014, 05:24

21. skinny95black (Posts: 113; Member since: 06 Jan 2013)

You got spoiled with here in sudan 3.75 Is maximum and the download rate with it is 100 kb when you're lucky it's sometimes it's not even 1 kb download speed on a phone doesn't matter that much as lobg as it good eniugh to load pages anf download perfectly

posted on 03 May 2014, 06:11 1

22. superfans (Posts: 155; Member since: 30 Jul 2012)

LTE r not available in many countries. In my country , LTE is not often stable and LTE coverage is only available around the big city and my phone often show LTE but as slow as 3G. LTE is pretty useless here , might be useful in the future but nt now as the carrier are trying hard to expand LTE coverage.

posted on 03 May 2014, 07:39

25. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1345; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)

You must not be on Verizon. If it wasn't for my data cap I would be downloading between 15 to 20 gigs a month.

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