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Apple granted patent for NFC mobile payment system

0. phoneArena 28 Aug 2012, 21:14 posted on

We know that Apple patents are something of a hot topic these days, and no doubt the comment section here will be filled pretty quickly with people complaining and spitting anger, but that won't change how the USPTO does business. And today, the USPTO granted Apple a patent for an NFC mobile payment system...

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posted on 28 Aug 2012, 21:34 15

2. Aeires (unregistered)


Why it just seems like today I read a comment "Apple isn't even trying to compete in the mobile payment business."

If it can make money, Apple will patent the $@%& out of it.

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 21:37 4

3. Hemlocke (unregistered)


These are multinational corporations, so why wouldn't they? NFC has been around for a while, but nobody has really made a splash with it. Yes, Android includes it on a lot of devices, but this patent does predate the Nexus S. I'm just surprised Nokia doesn't have more patents on NFC.

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 21:43 3

4. zackh121556 (Posts: 98; Member since: 01 Feb 2012)


Nothing like getting patents for things os's are already using. Please phonearena...delete another of my post lol

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 23:12 4

24. Quezdagreat (Posts: 386; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


you're just another hater who glanced at the article title. if you read the article it says that apple patented the gui of the app their creating for NFC

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 23:49 2

30. E.N. (Posts: 2218; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Features are useless if no one uses them. The way I see it, you need Apple to mainstream a lot of these features. We all know that hardly anyone uses NFC and even less know what is even is. But if the new iPhone has it, expect NFC to be the new standard.

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 05:09 7

36. willard12 (Posts: 548; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Yup. Still waiting for Apple to come around so 4G and LTE technology can finally catch on. MMS was useless until Apple brought it to us 2 years later. Free turn by turn navigation in a phone....pointless until IOS 6 comes out. Pull down notifications....useless until apple copied..i mean innovated it. Screen sizes 4 inches or bigger....nobody wants that until we get our iphone 5. ... And this is why certain people are referred to as "sheep."

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 08:54

44. Quezdagreat (Posts: 386; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


You're mad because people like these things more because they're in a iPhone. It seems that everything is liked more on that same ole dull os huh

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 16:32

45. E.N. (Posts: 2218; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


okay, let's not start a flame war here. "you need Apple to mainstream a lot of these features" I didn't say every feature. Obviously if you have faster speeds in your phone, people are going to use them. It's not like you have a choice. Duh! Don't be an idiot. I'm talking about things like NFC, that no one really knows about or thinks they need to use.

And this is why certain people are referred to as dumba**. Can't even hold a reasonable conversation without jumping to defend their OS. pathetic.

If Apple announces NFC in their future iPhone, you better believe that they'll advertise the hell out of it and it will be adopted used in a lot of stores/places especially with their passbook application. You will actually start seeing both iOS and Android users using NFC. And then Android fanboys like you will come out of their caves and say "Me too! Me too! Hey we had it first! It doesn't matter that almost no one used it or even knew about it, what matters is that we had it first!!" .... so sad

You should read comment 37....its exactly what I trying to say.

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 21:49 3

5. Slammer (Posts: 817; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)


Michael,

Have you written to the patent office? If so, what were your results? Frankly, mine have been met with no response other than similar to this: "Thank you for contacting us. Your information will be forwarded for review". If they care, there's no indication of it or whether they want to change. When an army of Attorneys are involved with patents, I suspect little change. Think of how many lawyers would be out jobs if the USPTO would do their jobs accordingly.

John B.

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 22:14 6

11. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)


No response from the USPTO, but general response from my senators and congressman, and of course there are causes like the EFF to get behind. Anything that can be far more productive than getting into flame wars here.

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 22:43 2

19. Slammer (Posts: 817; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)


Thanks for your response Michael.

I'm suspecting that the EFF being a special interest group, many will view it as such. They would have some leverage but I question the limitations. Let's hope they have initiated a movement for change. I have, however, made an effort with our local Government office, but my guess is that not enough people are as concerned. Unfortunately, Litigation happens everyday in all industries as they fight for IPs. We never really hear about it. Most write it off as normal business without realizing that there maybe a flaw. Apple vs Samsung was high profile, but that is because of Apple's notoriety. Is it enough to revisit the way the USPTO grants IPs? I have heard that many patents are being evaluated. But as you know, hearsay is never conclusive.

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 21:49 4

6. rallyguy (Posts: 432; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


The app will have "credit cards, digitally represented". Wow that sounds awesome. Ohh wait, my phone already has that!

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 21:52 6

8. jimjam (Posts: 228; Member since: 28 Jun 2011)


my windows mobile phone had that... now which box in the attic is that in...

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 21:50 9

7. Sniggly (Posts: 6489; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Oh well. The cat and mouse game of patent lawsuits will undoubtedly continue.

Why hasn't Android's notification drawer been approved by the USPTO yet?

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 22:22 4

14. Slammer (Posts: 817; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)


Sniggly said:

---" Why hasn't Android's notification drawer been approved by the USPTO yet?"---

My questions are: Did they file for it? If so, is it Patent Pending? Patent pending would prevent litigation due to the feature being reviewed for total grant. I find no other reason why Google would not sue Apple for "Copying" this feature.

John B.

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 22:26 1

15. Sniggly (Posts: 6489; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Yeah, they filed. Yeah, it's still pending.

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 08:51

43. paulislegend (Posts: 37; Member since: 15 Mar 2012)


http://www.google.com/patents/US20090249247?printsec=drawing#v=onepage&q&f=false

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 22:41 2

17. rudlie (Posts: 182; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


google filed it at 2009 but not yet approved. you may be suprise when apple will be awarded that feature. google-apple has different procedure to pantented something: google design->implemented->file patent and apple design->file patent->implement. don't know which one procedure is better but this is make a dispute. I think apple dare to apply notfication centre in iOS because they already file the patent before google put on Android. may be this feature is one of stolre feature which is SJ said.

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 23:11 5

23. networkdood (Posts: 5513; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


sounds like the patent office favors APPLE - how could it take 3 years to approve the notification system patent? I will tell you, with one word......APPLE!

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 23:18

28. -box- (Posts: 3566; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Gotta research prior patents and such. Takes awhile

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 02:32

34. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


Nope, Apple was granted a number of touchscreen patents and those were patented back in the 80s and 90s

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 23:17

27. -box- (Posts: 3566; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


And does it affect other OSes with preexisting notification bars with drop down "drawers" a la Symbian/Nokia Belle

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 00:27

31. rudlie (Posts: 182; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


notification bars already implement on palm os called attention indicator. I think google never declared notification loudly, but the fanboys sounds it very loud

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 08:41

42. paulislegend (Posts: 37; Member since: 15 Mar 2012)


1 million thumbs up to you sir. I have been wondering that since I saw apple's "innovative" new feature show up on their OS. That patent has been waiting for approval since 2006.

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 22:06 1

9. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


i dont think apple will make a free NFC iPhone since they dont even support Bluetooth sharing..

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 00:55

32. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


But they patent it so they can sue the hell out of everybody

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 22:16

12. MartyK (Posts: 669; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Hey Michael,

Is this about a Icon/GUI?.
So they are steal the visa/mastercard logo?..hahhahaha

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 22:22 1

13. Commentator (Posts: 2183; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


"I am literally angry with rage!" -P. J. Fry

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 22:29

16. achangavi (Posts: 21; Member since: 25 Jul 2012)


this has got to be a joke

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 22:42

18. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


This is ridiculous.

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 22:58

20. protozeloz (Posts: 5326; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I know what you are thinking Michael, But again with the various possibilities and the simplistic look of it this might as well be another troll patent

http://www.cio.com/images/content/articles/body/2011/09/GoogleWallet_2.jpg

I still don't get how can a company Apply for a patent they might not even use 3 years after they filled it up, so we have a deck of patents sitting on the floor waiting for someone to accidentally infringe on them, I think that's too convenient, also another "software patent" great.....

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 23:00

21. neuro (Posts: 1; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


I didn't realize it was April First again :/

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 23:14

25. Quezdagreat (Posts: 386; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


Damn these guys are stupid, its obvious these guys don't read the article. maybe PA should include the whole article in the title

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 23:20

29. networkdood (Posts: 5513; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


strikercho?

posted on 28 Aug 2012, 23:14 1

26. networkdood (Posts: 5513; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


This just proves that the patent system is broken - much like the election process of America.

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 02:08

33. urboypedro (Posts: 3; Member since: 19 Mar 2010)


copying of Android that Wat they do

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 03:09

35. aakashram2001 (Posts: 14; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


the pull down notification bar which you see on android phones was originaly designed graphicaly only on paper ok by one of the ex very old employee of apple after having a discussion with apple founder we know that time he was a school boy they applied for patent it will awarded only to them by the dept .so u please wait ......................hahahahahahahahahahahahahhah​ahahahahhahahahahhhahahahaahhahahaha

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 05:56

37. timtimity (Posts: 196; Member since: 13 Aug 2012)


I think NFC will become a great addition to mobiles in the future. However, for NFC to be utilised to its full potential, a company like Apple needs to adopt it.

No matter what anyone thinks about Apple, if their phones use NFC, it'll mean that millions and millions of people around the world will have an NFC device in their pocket. Once that happens, businesses and developers will sit up and notice. They'll start to take it more seriously and design ways for it to be implemented into our lives as a tool not just a gimmick.

For all I know, Android or Windows may design a more intuitive NFC system, but for it to become successful, Apple needs to on board.

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 06:22

39. aakashram2001 (Posts: 14; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


hi apple is going to file a patent for patent dept itself so anything coming for patent they have to pay apple or pay after court ruling hope apple shold take my idea so they no need to run for patent filing anymore.................. yes it can happen in u...............................

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 16:45

47. E.N. (Posts: 2218; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


I agree 100%. Without Apple, it may be extremely difficult for the technology to take off and mature.

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 06:22

38. Nikolas.Oliver (Posts: 1340; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


"if you don't like it, complain to the USTPO, Don't start flame wars here"

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 07:12

40. Peter27 (Posts: 233; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


"It is simply a patent for the GUI of a potential app that one day may find its way onto the iPhone"

I am going to patent a Teleport. I dont have a working model yet, but I have a potential wardrobe that I am working on and one day it may find its way to become Teleport.

If anybody else comes first with the actual Teleport I will sue them because I filed the patent way before them.

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 16:44

46. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I dont see anything in those patents that does not scream "generic, common sense set up". How are you supposed to format your NFC screen so it does not interfere with that patent? Apple is simply the world's largest patent troll taking advantage of a severely broken system to bleed the competition dry or to ban it all together.

The good news is that there is literally 100's of thousands of "prior art" examples of a payment screen that will negate that if apple tries to bully peeps with it.

Stuff like this proves beyond a doubt that our patent system is severely broken and on life support.

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