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Apple files motions for temporarily disabling Motorola to sue it because of the Google buyout

0. phoneArena 13 Sep 2011, 04:51 posted on

Apple, banking on the ambiguity of who exactly should be suing it for patent infringement after Google's acquisition of Motorola, filed motions to halt the lawsuits that Motorola started against it...

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posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:14

44. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


meh.

you're more reasonable than most fandroids, but im not buying the iphone as this dictatorship of a device while android is as free as the wild west.

bloatware, skins, app functionality are all areas where android takes control and without some work on the user's end, they have to have things that way.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 12:04

56. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Skins and UI's I will admit, we are stuck with for the most part. I should be able to remove any app that isn't part of the core OS. But you gotta admit, these things don't restrict you in any way. I can choose not to use Blur or VZ Navigator without loosing any functionality. But I really like having all the options.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 13:32

60. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


you're right for the most part.

your average user is going to have no idea how to NOT use blur (and really no idea that they should or would want to)

and vznavigator is always running to some extent. android just keeps way too much running at all times in general. i hope ICS sees some fat trimming.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:49

51. waveydavey (unregistered)


You go ahead and take your rooted phone into an authorized retailer and see just how nice they are about what YOU'VE done to YOU'RE phone. Hope it ain't broke, coz they ain't fixin' it.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 13:56 1

63. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


The thing is, you can always unroot your phone and take it in. Lets say, you have a broken screen and can't unroot it, no one is checking for it anyway. Most reps in the stores have no idea what they are even selling, let alone what all you can do with an Android. To most of them, a custom ROM is no different than a homescreen replacement. Trust me, I know this for sure.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:36

87. waveydavey (unregistered)


Well, yes you COULD unroot your phone. The point is that if you want to take advantage of your Manufacturer Warranty, you BETTER unroot your phone or it'll be void. Sure it's the manufacturer issuing the warranty, but Google is complicit. Just saying, Google may be a different KIND of business, but it's still a business, and as such will protect it's self interest.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:33 1

26. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)


Please do not say NEVER, unless you're ready to admit you hold your phone the wrong way...

I agree that it is stupid to say a company is evil when they are pursing their own interest and that of thier shareholders.

The reason Apple attracts such ire is part walled garden [nice turn of phrase ilia], part backlash against iPhone owner lemming behavior, and mostly that everyone hates a hypocrite.

Apple practices one thing, preaches another, and has the audacity to try to stop other companies from doing what they themselves practice. The legal maneuvers are high profile, on the offense [not defensive] posturing to protect not the Apple product, but the iPhone market share by trying to stifle competition.

It would be one thing if they were trying to compete by putting out a better product, which they "try" to do [incrementally so iPhone owners have to spend lots of money buying each marginally better model that comes out]. But the public sees only these legal attacks that are not meant to improve iOS, only to minimize the alternative. A lot of people want the alternatives and do not take kindly to Apple trying to mess with their options and their freedom of choice. Then you get some iPhone owners acting like zealots preaching the gospel of Steve, and more acting like sheep [Why did you buy an iPhone? "everyone else had them, it’s the best phone, right?” "I have an iPhone4 so I have 4G, right?"], and then Apple basically says via action,
‘I can steal swipe to lock from someone, but you cannot steal swipe to lock from us.’
F you Apple, you copied someone else, made a small change, and no one complained so shut your sanctimonious mouth.
‘But,’ Apple says, ‘it was not patented when I copied it and I now have the patent on swipe to lock.’
Then the patent is wrong and you have no grounds for your demands so shut your sanctimonious mouth.

Now Apple is claiming hardship on defending themselves from legal action because they are not even sure who is suing them? Obviously, it is just a legal position, but if we were to take it at face value, them the retort to Apple is: Maybe they should not have been so quick to litigate if they did not want to suffer the repercussions.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:40

30. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-legal-caravan-moves-to-France-Samsung-sues-Apple-for-3G-connectivity-patent-infringements_id22073

2 way street. the legal action goes both ways. always has. stop crying.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:47

73. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


apple started suing samsung so obviously samsung will sue back...is samsung suppose to just sit back?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:41 1

31. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


That was beautiful!

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:17 2

35. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


Apple controls everything because the fact is yes they try to make sure of the programs that get to use their OS are safe they receive a piece of the pie on every purchase after you own one of their devices.
I own a Droid X also and when I wanted a car charger instead of buying the Moto charger for 25 bucks I went to cellphoneshop.com and bought one for 2.99 buy an Apple one and they are 6 bucks, Apple wants their piece of the pie.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 06:07 2

5. G (unregistered)


Some times I just wonder if people think.....everyone talk about apple this or that because they are suing other companies did everyone forget they are a company no one wants to go out if business or have others who steal from them make them go out if business......if you was in charge of apple you would be doing the same thing unless your okay with being broke or bankrupt and if you are then your one weird person

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 06:29 6

7. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


Apple was ready to sue Motorola but is afraid to sue Google...

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 06:46 5

8. Mooooo (Posts: 212; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)


Sad Apple really sad.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 06:53 3

9. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


so basically, if i read the blurb right, apple is saying that moto cant sue if the merger happens unless google says its ok since google is maintaining the patents. Ok, so now that you've brought up that point, what is googles response gonna be ? Im pretty sure its gonna be "moto, continue suing them".

Way to stick your own foot in your mouth apple. Cant say you arent about to get what you deserve.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 07:16 2

11. PhoneLuver (Posts: 481; Member since: 05 Jul 2010)


Not sure Google will allow that. Remember that officially Apple and Google are friends and Apple has not sued Google directly. Like it or not, the default search option on the iPhone is still Google.. So, this could get interesting!!!

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 08:35 2

16. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


apple hasnt sued google directly because apple knows it will lose. If apple loses to google directly, its game over for their little fear game Apple is going after the fingers and arms of the giant in order to scare off other manufacturers. If apple goes for the heart and misses, the game is over.

They are no longer friends or friendly to each other. Apple was also supposedly in talks with MS to use Bing services instead of Google, but there was a huge ground swell from pissed off iOS users that wanted to keep google when the reports came out.

Its a marraige of need, not friendship. Apple doesnt really have a choice but to keep google on their phone, less they take the risk of losing a lot of customers who were on the fence about another OS already, and dont like Bing.

If it was a friendship you might see googles more powerful software like full google maps or 3d voice navigation on iphone.. things that u will never see.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:52

75. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


good points...clearly if apple thought android was a copy of ios then they would have sued them directly,obviously something is holding them back and i am guessing its fear of some sort. apple are trying to claim this bull that moto cannot sue any more because google helped htc with patents.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 08:05

12. the source (unregistered)


So they can sue others because of some bs design claims, and are now trying to get out of the Motorola patents they infringed through a technicality. Anyone that supports this type of company is foolish. A company that behaves in this matter has no concern for its customers or ethics for that matter. Ill continue to avoid their overhyped products like the plague. At the end of the day its just electronics its not worth me supporting such a company.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 08:06 1

13. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


It would seem that all Google needs to do is affirm Moto's independence as a separate subsidiary, and the lawsuit continues.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 08:14

15. PhoneLuver (Posts: 481; Member since: 05 Jul 2010)


Problem with that is that it transferred some of Moto's patents out already..

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 08:36

17. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


anything that can be transfered out, can be transfered back in.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 08:09 7

14. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Oh, Apple, you never miss a trick, do you? You instantly sue the hell out of literally everyone else in the world, but you'll be damned if you'll ever pay a penny to anyone else for the DECADES of work they've put into the tech you use. Unless you've been dragged through the courts first. Then you might toss that company the minimum legally required bone.

On the other hand, I'm glad to get an update on this lawsuit.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:10 2

21. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


snuggs, there is no way you are this stupid.

does anything you describe there not happen with all large businesses?

apple is not the devil. why on earth would they ever pay out more than they have to???? what company makes a habit of that?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:26 1

24. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Agree, Apple is not evil its how companies roll, apple its doing what it can to keep business profitable and rolling, now the fact that their definitions are pissing people off does not make a company "evil" it survival of the fittest

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:36

46. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


HTC didn't have to be dragged through court by Microsoft in order to start paying them royalties.

I know that it's SOP for companies to try to maximize profits, but there's generally a line that they won't cross, a line that usually guarantees that their business partners will benefit from their success and so forth. That line doesn't exist for Apple. They squeeze every damn penny they can from everywhere and everyone. Not paying a red cent for patents until they're destroyed in court is simply part of their corporate philosophy: keep any money from leaving our coffers at all costs.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 13:35

61. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


so you are that stupid?


you really think apple has crossed some line that others do not?? other companies dont watch (or squeeze) every penny?

stop drinking the ihate kool-aid. apple is not evil. they are just a company.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:23

66. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I'm not saying Apple is the only *evil* company out there. And yes, they cross a line that other companies do not. I already gave the example of HTC: no lawsuit necessary, when Microsoft asked they started paying royalties on patents that Micro owned.

And really, if there are other companies just as bad or worse, it doesn't lessen the bulls**t Apple pulls. They are openly hypocritical on the patent issue and infamous for curb stomping competition, business partners and employees. Just look at how they completely ignore the crap that Foxconn pulls on its employees, steal ideas from their app developers, swipe ideas from competing OSes and THEN sue the f**knuts out of anyone who dares make anything remotely similar to their own products or services.

There's a reason why Apple has the most money in the world; it's because their profit margins come first, despite any other moral or pragmatic concern. Other companies at least try to put up a front of having ethics. Apple does not.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:55

76. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


sniggly dont even waste your breath trying to justify yourself to them...you can give a million examples but they still wont get you.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:46

88. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


koolaid koolaid koolaid koolaid..........


have fun with your delusional hate

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