Apple files motions for temporarily disabling Motorola to sue it because of the Google buyout
0. phoneArena 13 Sep 2011, 04:51 posted on
Apple, banking on the ambiguity of who exactly should be suing it for patent infringement after Google's acquisition of Motorola, filed motions to halt the lawsuits that Motorola started against it...
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90. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Says the guy who thinks that what Apple does isn't bad because it's not alone in the League of EEEvil.
95. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
i dont like it, but im not in the dark enough to think they are alone in their practices. all the companies do this and the cost for all of it comes out in the products we buy. its not good. apple didnt start it, isnt worse at and wont be the last to do it.
99. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No, not every company pulls this bulls**t and you know it. At the very least, other companies don't go nearly as far as Apple does.
100. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
here, i found it in picture form for you:
106. Whateverman (Posts: 3262; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Funny thing about that list is at the top it says "major cases", yet the Apple suits against Samsung and Motorola are strangely missing. Is it that whoever made this chart thinks these are frivolous lawsuits? Or did they just forget?
And shouldn't there be an arrow pointing to a kid holding a white iPhone??? Ah lighten up, you know that would be funny!
40. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
Apple started LawyerGate now that they are seeing that they might have pushed Google into this buyout of Moto to help defend it's platform and it's friends, they are crying foul. Grow a set and stand up you want to fight bare fists until you realize the guy across from you has bigger harder fists now you want to change the rules to gloves and a ref.
42. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
WHY? When they already suing HTC/Samsung. At least GOOGLE is protecting Motorola patents. APPLE is nothing but a patent TROLL. AND APPLE HAVE NO RIGHTS TO STOP A COMPANY to sell a product across Europe or any other country just because their afraid of their sales and loosing the top spot of being #1.
49. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
bottom line here is Apple doesn't like Google from "selling" HTC some of it's newly aquired patents (which I think get "sold" back after their suit ends and HTC doesn't need them anymore) I think Google did a smart thing that Apple could never do because Apple has taken on the tech world and an APPLE vs. EVERYONE ELSE mentality is not going to make things easier for them.
50. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I wanted to put my input ... right away but was enjoying the stupid excuses fandroids can come up with... wow you guys have such imagination....
54. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
We learned it from all the ApplePolishers we hear talk blindly about the greatness of an inferior phone and their dumb reasons why inferior specs=greater device.
62. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
how often do you see blind allegiance to apple products ON THIS SITE??? (other than trolling to insite rage in the fandroids?)
never (or very seldom)
how often do you see fandroids blindly bash any move that apple makes or any coverage that PA offers them???
every single day
70. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
proving that you are blind to half of the posters.
there is a HUGE blind alegiance to apple products by posters on this site
taco, miz, gallito, gemini, and obviously you. blind eye to anything one side does and see's the other side as attacking.. even when they are not. Look at this thread, youve attacked EVERYONE on this thread that hasnt said they completely agree with you. Even when someone takes the middle road to try to calm the argument, u attack that.
Your a complete hypocrite at this point since you are obviously no different than the people you try to criticize and are probably worse.
98. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
proving that YOU dont READ.
they are trolls. they bait you with their every post and you (and others) bite bite bite bite bite.
i havent done anything to be hypocritical. you on the other hand call me out for not reading your posts WHEN THE ONLY THING I INITIALLY "ATTACKED" YOU FOR WAS MISREADING MINE AND SPINNING MY POST!
gtfo with all your holier than though bs.
103. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
they are trolls, yes, but they also have a blind allegiance to apple and a blind eye to anything wrong they might do. Thats what MAKES them trolls. They wouldnt be such obnoxious trolls if they didnt have that blind allegiance.
not hollier than thou, i just call bs when i see bs.
74. Whateverman (Posts: 3262; Member since: 17 May 2009)
This kind of hate is brought on by Apple's arrogance. Let me tell you how this whole war started from a tech fan's perspective. Apple made enemies of every cellphone manufacture and users of those other products, when they pointed fingers at Motorola, Nokia, Blackberry and others instead of owning up to their mistake. That's right, I'm talking about antennagate! They made videos where an Apple employee would squeeze the life out of a phone until his knuckles turned white, and then said "See, their phones do it too!" Apple even blamed Apple fans for not holding the phone right! This angered everyone towards APPLE, not just Android fans! And even though I had never disclosed what phone I owned, I was also quickly labeled a phandroid. But as consumers, no matter what device you own, most of us will speak out when we see wrong doing by whatever company and we did.
That's when SOME, not all, SOME Apple fans took offense to us speaking out against their companies. They even tried discrediting Consumer Report for not recommending the iP4 because of the design flaw. Some Apple fans went on the attack and because people were flocking to Androids, they became the obvious targets. PA hasn't been the same since, but I don't blame Apple fans for that. They were just defending what they felt proud of. Android fans, including myself, do the same thing. Apple has earned just the hatred of many people and I don't see that ending anytime soon.
79. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
agree on almost everything...most will assume i am a android fan because i dont agree with many of the thing apple have been doing..what most people dont realise that i am an owner of the iphone4 and was my only phone until the samsung galaxy s2 came out...i just think some people are either very?..just cause you own product X does not mean you need to support that company blindly in everything...i come to read good conversations on topics but all i ever see is fanboyism but in saying that there are also some generally knowledgeable people...
82. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple has only earned the hatred of fandroids. The average consumer can care less and probably doesn't even know these lawsuits are happening. Also what did you expect Apple to do. Say hey everyone our phone has a problem and don't buy it? Honestly I've used the iPhone 4 on AT&T and Verizon and it's completely blown out of proportion. The only reason it was an issue is because it was Apple and anything Apple is news. However they did offer free cases and you could return the phone for a full refund. I think that was reasonable.
84. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
anyone that reads the news knows whats going on. unfortunately, since most people think that jon steward is news... that proves most people dont actually read the news.. lol.
89. Whateverman (Posts: 3262; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Taco. IPhone owners were the ones that discovered the problem, made videos of the problem, and wrote articles and comments about the problem. What I expected was that a CEO of a multi-million dollar company to know that some customers would hold the phone in there left hand, then present a solution. Like maybe offering free bumpers. But he only did that after pointing fingers everywhere else. Put simply, he should have took ownership for his product. Do you really think it would have hurt sales? How many people still bought it knowing there was an issue?
92. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
And he only offered the free bumpers for what, two months? They've continued to sell the iPhone 4 completely unchanged for over a year now with no compensation for the problem.
Granted, it's not a big problem in of itself. The problem was the Moon sized middle finger Apple gave everyone over the problem.
97. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
so none of this existed until AFTER the release of the iphone 4?
101. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No, actually. Granted, there was some discontent over other s**t Apple pulled (like Baby Shaker and their overall App Store policy, and the initial price of the iPhone). But even then I defended Apple, and up until and through the release of the original Droid I was still very much considering getting an iPhone if it was ever on a better carrier than AT&T. (where I grew up in NY, Verizon was the only worthwhile carrier). It was only when Antennagate happened and Steve Jobs and Apple basically gave the finger to everyone who pointed out the issue that I became angry at them, and their track record has only reflected worse behavior since.
55. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Oh, seriously, Gallito, just go ahead and replace your profile picture with that of a parrot.
57. sagcin (unregistered)
Or Alex Riley. So that he and the_miz can become the best of pals. Or were they? ;)
64. Whateverman (Posts: 3262; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Com'on gallitoking. Doesn't this all sound just a tad bit desperate to you. Apple runs to the court and says "Motorola can't sue us anymore because we don't know who is suing us?" And "If they are going to sue us, they need Google's permission". Does Apple really think Google is going to say no?
Apple was sued by manufactures for real IPs that they held, real technologies that took time to really develop. The majority of Apple suits are based on flat screens, rounded edges, sliding fingers and bar napkins. So when you bring lawsuits like that against companies using a certain OS that just happens to be lead marketshare holder, it just comes off as "Since we can't beat em', lets SUE EM'! Get their products banned!" Why wouldn't these companies try fighting back?
65. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
first of all. thank you for actually discussing in here.... I honestly see both side of this... Apple felt betray for Samsung stealing ideas and creating a very similar product... but samsung and Apple work together so of course products will be similar... I support Apple because is smart and using the law in their favor... they dont break any laws.. they use it in their favor... in my school the person that knew it all.. was called a smart a**... we tend to not like people that know more than we do... thats why people hate on Apple.. but is not Apple's fault the laws have lots of gray areas... hate on the laws that permits this behavior...
you are a selected few that still have respect for...
69. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
As if you're in a position to judge how much respect other people get with your constant "holier than thou" bulls**t. It's seriously the same post every time from you, Gallito.
Apple isn't the know it all. Trust me, I've BEEN the know it all. Apple is the schoolyard bully, the first to run to the teacher when other kids retaliate, but also the one who drags other kids behind the trash cans and beats the snot out of them.
You're supporting a company that doesn't like the way free market forces are working, so it tries to use government muscle to close off the market to anyone else.
77. Whateverman (Posts: 3262; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Sniggly hit the nail on the head full swing with that school yard bully comment. That's exactly what they look like in most of their suits. I mean look at the case where they were granted a patent for...wait for it... A patent they were already sued for infringing upon! What company would have the balls to file for your ALREADY PATENTED - patent? A bully with enough muscle and money to buy any verdict they want.
78. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Sniggly..again your are wrong and you are letting you personal hate for Apple mislead you.... Apple is not he school yard bully because.. well nobody likes bullies... Apple outside of PA is well liked.. people are waiting.. people are camping to get the iphone.. i see no bully....honestly I have no need of the free market you mention,....Apple has a right... they made a phone very popular that everyone is enjoying the sucess and instead of awknoledging the iphone they turn bring to the market a product with lost of similarities.. hitting Apple where it hurts... you know how protective they are about their products... the only ones that can copy thier products is the supplers..Samsung... they deseve what is coming to them...
91. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
If you think bullies can't be widely liked then you must have slept through high school. I mean, f**k, man, I remember that the bullies who used to make my life a living hell were the most popular kids in the entire class.
And if you "have no need of the free market," then I have nothing further to say to you because you're beyond help.
96. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
wel Sniggly why does you life better than mine.. in my school the bullies were people appart from society.. why I am wrong.. you stand your ground and I will stand mine... is not about right or wrong on that one is how you life was... and we al know is different... second.... I am not a geek I like simplicity.. Android out of the box didnt work for me... i am not going to root or anything to a phone as I only used phones for texting ..calling and ocassionally surf the net.. I dont live or depend on my phone.. geeks on the other hand thats all they got going on... to have the device with the best specs....
102. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Then you had a weird, weird school. I can't speak to your personal experience at it, but my experience stands, so my metaphor also stands.
You don't need to be a geek and root your phone to get Android to work; it works just fine for the most part, even on s**ttastic cheap phones. I know many people who are not technically proficient, yet are able to operate Android just fine.
104. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
well not my case... and you can show me lots of people that are content with Android.. I am not... so I have al the right to trash Android.. I speak on personal experience which is more than most people around here... thats why I dont debate.... people only believe what they see or experience... and so do I....
105. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
We could still do without the bulls**t elitism you display every single time you step onto the comments page.
71. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
like normal your missinformed and one sided. If apple never breaks any laws, how comes whenever they get sued, they almost always lose? In order to win a lawsuit against someone for a patent, they have to be breaking the law to begin with. Apple has lost MANY suits about patents.. yet, it rarely wins with all of its "look-a-like" suites. Why do u suppose that is?
You dont see both sides, you only see "your teams" side. Like you said a few days ago "android users are the enemy", and on the flash article "Apple wins, and android loses" or something ridiculous to that effect.
You are a frikking joke. And now you want to sit here and try to pretend that somehow you are in the middle and your opinion should have some weight. Good luck with that.
People were very happy with Taco's posts recently because he dropped a lot of his fanboy antics in his posts and started giving decent replys. I see that your trying to mimic this, but its so obviously fake and contrived that your making yourself look dumber than normal.
80. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
hey apple never lose, they can do know wrong lol..apple were a very good company and i actually use to like them but since they let all power and money get to there head and trying to force competition out through lawsuits i just cannot see any positives about them..in saying that,it does not mean i wont buy the iphone 5 but for that to happen it has to provide something that my galaxy s2 cannot do otherwise iphone 4 will be enough for my ios fix
83. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple doesn't almost always lose. You only hear about a fraction of the lawsuits Apple and other tech companies face.
85. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
do me 2 favors.
1) list me all of suits, pending suits by and against apple, with the wins and losses.
2) think about this.. you just said "we hear a fraction of the lawsuits about apple and other companies", yet we hear about a new apple suit or counter suit nearly every day lately. Think about that... doesnt that make you wonder if maybe all these suits are a bad thing? for everyone?
52. Bilius (unregistered)
Ya know what I'm waiting for? I'm waiting for Apple to engage Google in a direct confrontation and see them lose big time. Sucks to watch Apple acting like some coward and not go straight for the heart of Android. Haha, since they are coming with multiple lawsuits here and there why not just sue Google and get it over with. Acting like some whiny coward won't get you anywhere!
53. HtcMersk (unregistered)
Man, gallito seriously speaking no one wanted your input. And these excuses that fandroids made? Haha nothing beats the 'excuses' Apple make to sue other manufacturer. Design? LOL! At least others lik Samsung is suing based on proper IP like that of 3g. Man, if they can sue for design. I guess Steve and his army of Isheeps can start suing their children/parents for looking like them.
68. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
@HtcMersk (unregistered) ohh I am sorry i didnt received the email that permits me in putting my opinion in a public forum... dumba**.. dammm please are they any smart people out there...
72. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
plenty, but you have to take your blinders off to find them.
93. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
APPLE IS NOTHING BUT A PATENT TROLL AND IS AFRAID OF GOOGLE.
107. NexusPrime (unregistered)
An apple a day keeps the robot away. Just joking. The apple is gonna get swallowed up whole by the green robot. Haha.
108. Yulsted Johnson (unregistered)
Apple is one evil empire, glad I don't support their cause.
Most Apple users are brainless, and the proof is, yes, your phone is easy to use, but Apple controls everything.
Choke on that core.