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Apple files motions for temporarily disabling Motorola to sue it because of the Google buyout

0. phoneArena 13 Sep 2011, 04:51 posted on

Apple, banking on the ambiguity of who exactly should be suing it for patent infringement after Google's acquisition of Motorola, filed motions to halt the lawsuits that Motorola started against it...

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posted on 13 Sep 2011, 04:58 13

1. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Apple are such hypochrites !!!

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 05:24 10

2. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)


Rotten Apple inc. I will never touching any more Apple products in my life because of Apple lawsuits and banned Samsung Galaxy phones, it is an unfair competition and very bad actions by Apple to stop Samsung from selling their products.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 05:34 10

3. Man2006 (unregistered)


F**k you Apple! That's all that I have to say.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:18

36. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


Why are you saying here? Go tell them, we dont care

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 05:59 4

4. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


all the mobile companies play a legal chess match with all the other mobile companies. lol at all the posts on this page about apple being the bad guy or the ones to blame. you really think all the other companies dont do the same things to each other?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 06:18 3

6. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Lately....its been mostly all about Apple tho. I'm pretty sure....especially with the guy that writes the blog for FOSS Patents...if he could point out others doing the same thing, he would.

He may be a tad bit biased towards Apple....

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 06:55 8

10. remixfa (Posts: 14467; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


because all companies sue eachother from time to time for patent infringement. Noone has ever acted like apple, who is suiing pretty much everyone and anyone and most of the time its not for patents, its design similarities which except for Germany, which seems to allow bar napkin drawings as proof, is a pretty hard thing to win a lawsuit for. Its more of apple trying to scare off smaller manufacturers by tying up the big guys in million dollar lawsuits. When apple gets sued they seem to lose 9 out of 10 times because they get sued for obvious patents. When apple sues they actually seem to not win that often.. probably less than half. But Im sure they know that going into it. Its not about winning, its about fear and draining resources.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 08:39 1

18. ilia1986 (unregistered)


ayephoner, please explain your position. I don't get it. I really don't.

According to your avatar - you Jailbroke your iPhone - which means that you oppose the entire idea of Apple's walled garden - and thus everything by which the company stands for. You might even be aware of the awesomeness of Android seeing that it enables people to do what not even the person with ALL of the cydia tweaks installed could.

Yet you continue to defend them. Why ayephoner, why? I too have an iPhone 4 - and I too have jailbroken my device - and my eyes were opened at how GOOD it is to tweak your phone. But I soon discovered that there are still some core things which are integral in Android - which are missing from Cydia en masse. Ever since that I HATE Crapple - and everything they stand for - and that hate has been growing ever since. Especially after WWDC 2011.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 08:50 3

19. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


i actually have a rooted droid X, which is very nice.

i think the "apple controls everything because they're evil" is the stupidest thing anyone could ever say.

apple controls everything because they believe in their products opperating at a high, consistant, reliable level every single time they are used.

android believes in giving their customers everything that is possibly available regardless of execution (which they have no control over anyways).

my droid X does a couple things an iphone does not, but it is laggy, needs to have a reset and/or battery pull once a week and has features like voice command that NEVER work well.

iphones have flaws, but NEVER by design. if they add something, its only because they truly believe that it will work well EVERY time.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:20 1

22. Phone guy (unregistered)


I think you need to reconsider what you just said about the iPhone - "iphones have flaws, but NEVER by design. if they add something, its only because they truly believe that it will work well EVERY time"

I believe I remember when it came out and the way the antenna is arranged that you pretty much lost a good chunk of signal bars and dropped phone calls. Did Apple fix this - no they just said hey guys here's a free bumper. Consumer reports still doesn't recommend the iPhone because of this and with the appearance at Verizon still isn't fixed and still requires a bumper to prevent that from happening. So you might want to check your sources before going and saying that they NEVER have flaws in design because in my opinion that is a major flaw in the usage of a phone.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:21

23. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Let me quote you here, man:

"apple controls everything because they believe in their products opperating at a high, consistant, reliable level every single time they are used."

THAT is EVIL. Because it's FORCING customers to only use itunes, only be able to customize the iPhone in a very limited way, only use the app store, only use proprietary connectors and accessories, etc etc etc. That is CONTROL. And that is BAD. Because a product must not the the fulfillment of the CREATOR's vision of how it should be - but rather than of the CONSUMER's. And that is what Apple is doing - by controlling everything - they strip away that control from the consumer. And that is EVIL in my opinion. Sure, it's not the traditional definition of evil - but it's evil nonetheless.

As for your droid-X - why don't you try to install a custom rom on it?

http://alchemistar.blogspot.com/2010/12/motorola-droid-x-custom-rom-list.html

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:29

25. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Are you serious? Voice command not working well?! Granted, Gingerbread has not been good for the Droid X, but one thing I never experienced was lag. Now if you kept the Blur UI, then yeah you probaby had the laggiest phone of you life. But Launcher Pro was always a must on any phone i bought, check it out if you havent already. After installing LP, my X may have stuttered from time to time, but less than my iPad and the voice actions were the most accurate I've experienced on ANY phone. I gotta call user error on this one dude. Sorry.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:33 1

26. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)


Please do not say NEVER, unless you're ready to admit you hold your phone the wrong way...

I agree that it is stupid to say a company is evil when they are pursing their own interest and that of thier shareholders.

The reason Apple attracts such ire is part walled garden [nice turn of phrase ilia], part backlash against iPhone owner lemming behavior, and mostly that everyone hates a hypocrite.

Apple practices one thing, preaches another, and has the audacity to try to stop other companies from doing what they themselves practice. The legal maneuvers are high profile, on the offense [not defensive] posturing to protect not the Apple product, but the iPhone market share by trying to stifle competition.

It would be one thing if they were trying to compete by putting out a better product, which they "try" to do [incrementally so iPhone owners have to spend lots of money buying each marginally better model that comes out]. But the public sees only these legal attacks that are not meant to improve iOS, only to minimize the alternative. A lot of people want the alternatives and do not take kindly to Apple trying to mess with their options and their freedom of choice. Then you get some iPhone owners acting like zealots preaching the gospel of Steve, and more acting like sheep [Why did you buy an iPhone? "everyone else had them, it’s the best phone, right?” "I have an iPhone4 so I have 4G, right?"], and then Apple basically says via action,
‘I can steal swipe to lock from someone, but you cannot steal swipe to lock from us.’
F you Apple, you copied someone else, made a small change, and no one complained so shut your sanctimonious mouth.
‘But,’ Apple says, ‘it was not patented when I copied it and I now have the patent on swipe to lock.’
Then the patent is wrong and you have no grounds for your demands so shut your sanctimonious mouth.

Now Apple is claiming hardship on defending themselves from legal action because they are not even sure who is suing them? Obviously, it is just a legal position, but if we were to take it at face value, them the retort to Apple is: Maybe they should not have been so quick to litigate if they did not want to suffer the repercussions.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:35

27. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


reading comprehension, bro.

"by design" =/= "in design"

they did not plan on antennagate. and you have a sound argument for how they handled it, but still not something they implemented on purpose.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:36

28. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


but they're not forcing anyone to use their product. you dont like it? dont buy it? apple has always been unapologetic in what they design and release (even to a flaw, see above)

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:38

29. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


doesnt everything you say support my points? android has no control over final product, so software like motoblur can be put out and totally screw up their end product. how on earth is that user error? i've not fully hacked my phone b/c its supposed to be a temp fix until what i want comes out, which hasnt happened yet (between iphone 5 and nexus prime before any hate starts up)

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:40

30. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-legal-caravan-moves-to-France-Samsung-sues-Apple-for-3G-connectivity-patent-infringements_id22073

2 way street. the legal action goes both ways. always has. stop crying.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:41 1

31. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


That was beautiful!

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:43

32. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Well thing is - when you buy an Apple product - you get stuck not only with what you get - but also with what you WILL get in the future. Nowhere on the iPhone 4 box did it say "Will not include features which are found in other market-leading operating systems in the next update". I was there, man. I believed. iOS 4 took some steps in the right direction of user customization - folders, homescreen wallpaper. I believed, man. I believed that iOS 5 will level the playing field with Android in that regard. Introduce Widgets, and maybe even Live or panorama wallpapers. I wasn't the only one - many speculated that Apple would do that. But Nooooo. Instead Apple decided to say "F*** you" and turn iOS 5 into iOS 4.5. Just because. And we all - even those of us like you and me who JBen our phones - got left with a phone on which the main design element of the GUI is this: []
A square-rounded icon. 16 of those to be precise. All over the phone.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:48

33. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


you obviously dont understand apple's software design mentality. they want as little running as possible to extend battery life and increase performance.

top android complaints are battery life and lag. dont you understand that if you are running a live wallpaper and 10 widgets what that does to performance and efficiency? well, maybe you do, but the greater public does not. apple deals with those things on the front end while android forces you to either suffer or figure it out for yourself.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:17 2

35. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


Apple controls everything because the fact is yes they try to make sure of the programs that get to use their OS are safe they receive a piece of the pie on every purchase after you own one of their devices.
I own a Droid X also and when I wanted a car charger instead of buying the Moto charger for 25 bucks I went to cellphoneshop.com and bought one for 2.99 buy an Apple one and they are 6 bucks, Apple wants their piece of the pie.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:19 1

37. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


No my friend, it's just the opposite. Google doesn't want control of YOUR phone. That's the point of Android is so that you can do with it whatever YOU want with YOUR phone. Motorola tries to differentiate their devices from other Androids and give customers a "better user experience", but as we can see in the case of Blur it totally gets in the way. I will give you that. But like I said, easily corrected with a trip to the Market, you don't have to hack your phone.

The user error I was referring to was the voice actions. Most difficulties with voice actions come from the clarity of our speech. I found by slowing down and fully enunciating my words, the Droid X understood me 99% of the time.

As for your upgrade, I don't think you can go wrong either way, but it depends on you individual needs. For me, I have a need to make it mine and I can't make an iPhone mine.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:26

38. ilia1986 (unregistered)


But this is nonsense! Not all Android devices suffer from lag and\or battery life - as with everything - it's an issue of optimization.

In addition - when you use Android - you don't have to use all these things if you don't want to! It's all about choice. No one would accuse iphone for having piss poor battery life if iOS added widgets, each of which would make the battery last - say 5% less in a typical day. All Apple needed to do was to let people handle it themselves - while disclaiming that using widgets\live wallpapers might cause faster draining of the battery.

If apple is about running as little a possible on their OS - maybe they should default to this:
http://colinjong.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/nokia_10_years_old_03.jpg

THAT surely won't cause battery problems and\or lag!

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:28 3

39. remixfa (Posts: 14467; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


neither apple nor android FORCE you to suffer through anything. If you dont like one OS, try another. You would be forced if there was only one choice in OS... which unfortunately seems like what apple is trying to accomplish with these insaine lawsuits. Apple is much better, however, at tying you into all their services. By the time u use iTunes, iCloud, get an iMac, and an iPhone to get full compatability with everything, you are pretty tied into their OS. Its not impossible to get out of, just exspencive. But that is the user's choice to allow themselves to get so entangled in the spider's web.

If you dont want live wallpapers, widgets, and the rest, u can easily turn it all off, which does preserve battery life. If you want it, its there. Android does offer more choice. Some see it as a positive because its a system that anyone can make "theirs"... some see it as a negative because there are minor annoyances with some cheaply made phones or crappy OS overlays.

Like anything else its +/- arguement for each person on which is better for them.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:43

41. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


yup. you dont get it.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:46

43. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


do you understand english?

"android forces you to either suffer or figure it out for yourself."

see the words 'either' and 'or'?

theres a reason i dont get into this with you fandroids. you cant read, cant think, cant stay on subject.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:14

44. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


meh.

you're more reasonable than most fandroids, but im not buying the iphone as this dictatorship of a device while android is as free as the wild west.

bloatware, skins, app functionality are all areas where android takes control and without some work on the user's end, they have to have things that way.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:49

51. waveydavey (unregistered)


You go ahead and take your rooted phone into an authorized retailer and see just how nice they are about what YOU'VE done to YOU'RE phone. Hope it ain't broke, coz they ain't fixin' it.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:33 2

45. remixfa (Posts: 14467; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


amazing, i take a neutral position and you try to fight me on it. you really are a blind iSheep... lol

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:38

47. remixfa (Posts: 14467; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


and your requoted blurb is idiotic. again neither FORCES you to do anything. And i see plenty of people that love their androids the way they came out of the box. They are set up to be ready to roll from the first time u turn them on, so your idiotic point has no merrit. Your basically implying that everyone is going to "suffer" which means they dont like their device, unless they take the time to customize it.

your off your rocker. My post was pure middle ground about the positive and negatives of both OS's to try to get u to stop arguing stupidity, and instead of realizing that, i bet you didnt even read the thing and instead just went right on flaming. I can tell by your lil statement on fandroids that its true.
why is it most iBots cant actually read?? ugh.

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