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Apple files another complaint with the International Trade Commission against HTC

0. phoneArena 11 Jul 2011, 10:00 posted on

Since the first complaint against HTC is unlikely to hold water, Apple has filed another one, allegedly for different patents infringement this time, which might overlap with the complaint against Samsung...

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posted on 11 Jul 2011, 15:37 2

28. mbehrenbrinker (unregistered)


Fact of the matter is that ALL current smart phone designs, especially those with touch screens, have most likely infringed on pattents long-held by the likes of Nokia or NorTel, who have been in the industry much longer than HTC, apple, or Samsung. There has been a long understanding amongst tech companies that the lines of IP rights in the smartphone industry are especially blurry and, therefore have refrained from filing many potentially frivolous lawsuits amongst each other (there are, of course, always exceptions). that is, until Apple entered the court room a few years ago. Apple has filed many such ridiculous and narrow minded claims against competitors, including one that read something like, Apple Inc. holds the rights to "unlocking the device by manipulating a movable image on the touchscreen." weather this is an issue for pattent law as a whole, or the industry, it is clear that such broad pattents (and hence, pattent disputes) will only harm competition and innovation in the industry and cannot realisticly be enforced in such a broad way. Apple is the only one who seems to have missed this idea, and they look like a two year old stomping their feet in the store when they dont get their way.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 11:15 6

10. redleg6 (Posts: 25; Member since: 14 May 2011)


Instead of spending money to make their phone's more competitive, Apple is spending money to prevent the other manufacturers from selling their superior products.

Backwards logic, if you ask me. It's shows the arrogance of Apple.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 14:51 1

24. stealthd (Posts: 980; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)


Those aren't mutually exclusive. They're actually doing both.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 11:30 2

11. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


if Apple wanted to make their phones more competetive . they would have... is not that they cant..they dont want to put products outthere without proven tenchology... look at al the phones having issues.. T-Bolt even the Droid charge thats just came out is alreadyhaving issues.... the antenagate might be the exception ... is mostly the lawyers being greedy and having time in their hand . so they sued people for fun.. or to explain the hight rates to Steve-O...

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 12:59 2

16. mrkrabs (Posts: 10; Member since: 20 Jun 2011)


Your forgetting the iPhone 4 also had a reception problem in the beginning. There at least trying to push out new technology.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 15:15

25. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


true thats why I stated that the antenngate was the exception other than that their technology is stable.. but my point here and thank you for reading my comments is that it may be the greedy lawyers that have the time to sue people left and right.. sorry for the sloppy writting..

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 11:48 8

12. kaka (unregistered)


apple is acting a like a spoiled kid, throwing all their toys out whenever someone has a better toy than them.

with the amount of android phones coming out from different companies, it seems apple will be playing catch up from now on. i don't see them being a tech leader in the smartphone market from this day forward. a company like samsung can release a phone that is way advance than anything they can come up with, and can release multiple versions of it. apple will only be able to get the tech if they bought it from them.

so they are scared, but they have aces on their sleeve as well. brand recognition and marketability. apart from that...nothing else. but those two are potent weapons.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 12:01 5

13. jcoberg10 (Posts: 110; Member since: 30 Oct 2009)


Main problem is, all these lawyer costs, and patent fees. Who is going to pay for them.... CONSUMERS!

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 13:28 3

18. Boti95 (Posts: 162; Member since: 05 Sep 2010)


Who in Satans ass crack wants an iPhone now adays??? Apple seems like if it was trying to take away Android phones with midrange crappy iPhone 4s. Thier are pretty high end (andbetter) phones that are Android and Windows. I love i pods and stuff like that, but Apple is trying to take a diabolical fart that will take away the holy Androids. Give it a rest Apple!!

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 14:37 3

21. andro (unregistered)


How pathetic is apple really getting,it was funny at first but now they really are pityfull. Apple is like a sad drunk at the end of the night trying to swing a legal punch at anybody in sight before it falls into its own sick while android owners point and laugh!!!

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 15:36 1

26. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


Apple u guys need to grow up..this lawsuit s&it is just dumb as hell. just make a better phone and u you wouldn't have to run scare all the dam, time ya'll make me sick

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 15:42 1

29. HiTz (unregistered)


i dont think this is like windows n mac......its NOT ONLY about OS instead it is about the profit behind sellin cell phones.....

My suggestion to steve......quit cryin....n sign up a deal to provide iOS on samsung GS2....n then see....iOS competin with android.....;)

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 16:05 3

32. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


I really hope Apple wins these cases. So many copycats taking advantage of Apple's ideas. All they do is wait for Apple's next move and then copy it. Touchscreen phones weren't the big thing before 2007 when the first iphone came out. And now look at all these touchscreen phones. Yet, android fanboys say that there's no copying? Please. When the ipad was released, no manufacturer cared to produce tablets, but now look at all the tablets that's been coming out lately. And yet again, fandroids say that there's no copying, lol. Before the AppStore came out, no one made a big deal of application stores. But now look at all the application stores. And yet again, the fandroids deny the copying. It's so obvious that Apple creates the trends and the rest are just imitating, yet fandroids seem to have no clue about it, or they're plainly playing DUMB.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 16:19 4

34. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


Apple made touch screens MORE popular, not popular in the first place.

I agree with you on the tablets thing, didn't hear much about tablets before the iPad.

Apps have always been popular since Palm/Hp and Blackberry.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 16:46 6

38. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4433; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Tablet PC's were out before the Apple iPad. Apple just made them mainstream. Apple copied the touch screen phone & copied the tablet. So if Apple can copy, why can't others people do EXACTLY what Apple did? Why is it good for Apple, but not good to anyone else?

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 17:38 1

40. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


umm i agree with you... Apple popularised the touch screen...but remember the iPhone is a PHONE, and phones were there before the iPhone. so technically the iPhone rode the success of the phones.
and like you said in another post... apple took the touch screen and made it better.... and now android is returning the favor by taking what the iPhone has, and making it better.... if you couldn't find anything wrong with the iPhone copying other touch screens before it, why are you annoyed at android now?
tsk tsk tsk.... *hypocrite*

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 17:42 1

41. Izoe (Posts: 114; Member since: 02 Sep 2010)


gemini now it sobvious u're really biased. i live in africa and even i hav used get jar in the past. several times. what planet are u from?

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 22:12 1

55. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Gem your right apple creates trends. Pre iPhone there was touch screen phones of course but they weren't very goof and most people used non touch screen phones. Since iPhone almost everything is touch screen. Same things can be said about app store and tablets.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 16:21 4

35. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


so windows didin't have touchscreens before the iphone came out? and they where not the big thing ?? what u been smoking on. i been using touchscreens way before the iphone....just like a apple boy

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 16:29 4

37. android_hitman (Posts: 672; Member since: 07 Jul 2010)


OMFG!!! apple is loosing market and people in the US (their biggest market) are starting to realize that an apple product is not everything... people are moving from closed systems like apple to samsung, htc, motorola, lg and so on! i am happy that the consumers are starting to get their heads out of the apple.



people should buy stuff that feels right for them... apple, android, symbian, webos, wp7 and not last the new meego that i am sure it will be a great success.



lets all be friends, why to argue all the time...


but the sad thing is that apple wants more and more and more and more from us consumers .... ipad 2plus or 3 is just around the corner and let's be honnest the ipad 2 is just a couple of months old. the hard truth is just in front of us. pay more for less every time.

that's why i don't buy an apple product because they are never releasing a finished product... every time they offer an already used tech with a cathcy name and just ask for more money!

WHY? WHY? WHY? we can always buy better products with better features at a lower price.

you buy a 2 year contract for an iphone4 and in 2 years they will release an iphone6 with the same features as an SGS2 or HTC Sensation... dont you see that?

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 17:13 5

39. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


Apple just sued me because they found out that I have the same shoes as one of their employees. I spent 3 days in jail & now I'm forced to wear socks & sandals for the remainder of the summer.... :( lmao

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 01:26

67. android_hitman (Posts: 672; Member since: 07 Jul 2010)


hilarous ... hahahahahahah

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 19:01 1

42. Interisti (unregistered)


I have a Dog, and I Call it Apple,
oh my God, Apple will Ban me
So I call my d**k si apple, are they ban my d**k to??? So pathetic Apple

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 20:30

48. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


[IMG]http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g217/taco5000/80c4651d.jpg[/IMG]


It's laughable what android looked like before Apple and the people who say they didn't copy.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 04:59

71. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


WTH?? that's not even a phone by a recognised company.... it's just some poor chinese knock-off of a blackberry or something, and apart from that, what shows that it's android? its just the google website

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 05:07

72. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


loool look at what the iPhone looked like before android!
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://idannyb.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/t32_iphone-copy.jpg%3Fw%3D500&imgrefurl=http://idannyb.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/chris-davies-reviews-the-iphone-copycat-t32/&usg=__MSbOjBGXmPOWbdkw_bhPsB_JYsU=&h=233&w=354&sz=13&hl=en&start=18&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=PAdvYjQER-MhgM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=121&prev=/search%3Fq%3DiPhone%2Bcopycats%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D499%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&ei=FhwcTq2aI4zfgQftuKzTCQ

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 20:54 1

49. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I'm a DROID power user. I like to get things done. You wouldn't understand. I don't need apps. I'm constantly rooting and putting in new ROMs and overclocking, which is far
more productive than anything ios can do. Apple only has fart apps anyway. No finance, word processor, graphics or social media apps are even available cause they don't hve flash and guess what? DROID DOES.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 22:19 2

56. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Taco some people will always go against mainstream just to be different. They will even get a lesser product because they think it cool and better on paper. The droids are paper devices the iPhones are quality devices that have real word functionalities. On paper droid is better in reality the iPhone is so far ahead of others that the other devices are forced to copy to keep up. What good is a frozen lagging device even though its 8 core and 10G

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 00:59 2

64. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Yet no iPhone user can explain to me why my iPad keeps force closing more than any Android device I have ever had. What does iOS offer that I am missing? Maybe it's me. Can either of you tell me what makes iOS better then Android, and spare me that whole "We have more apps" argument, because I can actually see both the app store and the app market and they both have quite more then what I would ever use. Glass isn't quality material IMO, so save that one too. Stability, see statement about my iPad.

Please, help me to understand.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:45 1

78. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Ur iPad lags because of all the p o r n you watch. I had a thunderbolt all it did was force close lag and run out of battery. What good is that. iOS os better because it is easier to use and simple. Keep it simple stupid.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:53

84. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


you can't watch p o r n on iPad dummy!
no flashh

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:30

101. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Yes you can

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 10:06

85. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Simple and easy, that makes it better. That sounds like boring and less functionality to me and that is exactly what it looks like. If I wanted simple and easy I would have stuck with a feature phone, which is what the iPhone truly is but I won't go there. And since you have to keep it simple (for) stupid people, I guess iOS is perfect for you, huh?

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 11:55

92. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


simple and easy is for stupid people huh? So do you want a car that just works or one you have to meddle with and customize all the time. Why even bother with a windows interface on your computer. Just use DOS input because windows is simple and for stupid people. What a dumb argument. iOS has all the functionality of android and more in some cases and it's way more user friendly and intuitive.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 14:11

94. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I don't think all iPhone users are stupid. Just the one liked using that k.I.s.s acronym as to why I should like the iPhone. That was his argument, not mine.

I like the iPhones interface, its just much less appealing than Android. Blocks only get me so far and then I need to change things up. With an iOS device, I can't do that. iOS obviously doesn't have all the functionality of Android because there is still no flash.

User friendly is good initially, but press and hold is not really hard to figure out. Wanna add a widget, press and hold one finger to your screen. Why is that so much more difficult to some iOS users to understand.

And still, no one has told me why my iPad force closes more than my Droid X. Isn't that supposed to be a problem with ALL Android devices? And no one has given me any solid reason why the iPhone is better. Give me a feature, a function, something, anything...

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:38

102. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


There are a thousand reasons why your ipad may force close more then you droid. Most of them are due to usage. Maybe you picked up a virus being a dumbass. I know many people that have droids that they have had to exchange there phones because after 10 seconds of use its completely frozen. then after going for help at the store they download gingerbread and they cant turn on there phone. Explain that. After an exchange it still happens. Many people have had these problems all of them are getting the iphone next.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:54

104. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Also widgets suck. When i had android i got rid of them. They are all stupid and drain battery. The only one I had was a battery widget which I dont need on the iphone it has a decent battery life.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:55

105. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Remember, iOS is supposed to be more secure, so your virus theory doesn't hold water. It also doesn't explain why other people are having the exact same issue. iOS isn't as perfect as you all pretend it is!

As for the issues happening with your friends phones, probably legit. And if they get iPhones, poor them. But the smart ones will probably see how little the iPhone does and come back to Android.

Lastly, that twice you have insulted me with stupid and dumbass. Your little pea brain can't come up with any real answer to my questions because you lack the knowledge and experience, so all you have now are insults. Come back when you actually KNOW something.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 19:10

108. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


I didnt say you were a dumbass but did a stupid thing. And didnt say you were stupid thats the acronym. You insulted me pea brain. If you were in a crash because you blew a red you did something stupod but it doesnt mean you are.

Just becase its more secure doesnt mean it will never get viruses if you did a stupid thing and got one then thays why it crashed. It wont stop all viruses but alpt of them.
Why would they go back. Most of them have it because iphone was not out for their carrier and they ran promotions. There not going to say hey this doesnt has flash so even though it works fine i want to go back to the device that wont even start up.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 21:13

112. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Let's try it this way, I know for a fact there are no viruses on this iPad. Why is it force closing?

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 11:53

91. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Well first of all when it comes to tablets apps are a huge difference with iOS having 100,000 now compared to less than 1,000 for android I believe.

You know that you don't even believe yourself when you say iOS isn't more stable than android. What's the point of explaining the reasons why when you just won't admit it?

iOS is much more user friendly, is more stable, has more and better apps, has a better ecosystem and support.

I realize android has some features like speech recognition and flash that iOS doesn't but because of the reasons I listed I prefer iOS.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:30

100. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


html 5 is all that matters you don't need flash.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 01:16 2

66. Sniggly (Posts: 7183; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I'm a DROID power user. I like to get things done. You wouldn't understand. I like to be able to get to a native, free navigation system with only a few taps of my fingers. I like to be able to decide what I want cluttering up my homescreen, and how to organize my apps in their drawer. I like my notifications to be nonintrusive, and I like to be able to wirelessly sync all of my contacts. I like to use the wealth of apps, paid and free, that are available to me. I like to have a platform that's constantly being improved by people who care about what they're delivering to their customers. I like to be able to choose my manufacturer, price point and hardware. I like to be able to modify my phone's software if I so choose, and to have plenty of choices regarding my phone even if I don't.

I like to be able to play Flash content in the browser, because not every site uses Youtube. I like having a bigger screen and a better touchscreen keyboard, one that's not restricted by a size that was only considered big four years ago.

I like to be able to unlock my phone and not be instantly bored by how samey and cookie cutter it is. I like deep levels of functionality in my device.

And you ,know what? I don't mind a little lag here and there. Only nitpicky dips**ts need everything to be completely pretty all the time. The rest of us care about whether or not it works for us, instead of us working for it.

iPhone is nice, but it just doesn't do it for me. DROID DOES.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:49

79. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Less is more if you want your phone to work.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 10:49

88. Sniggly (Posts: 7183; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


But my phone does work, beautifully I might add. I'm typing on it right now. In fact, I'd say that a good 70 percent of my posts are typed on my DROID X.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 21:20

114. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)


My phone works much better than my iPad. Less is just less sometimes.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 11:58

93. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


so you listed a bunch of hardware features which has nothing to do with android and then you listed features that the iPhone has like

wealth of apps
customizable homescreen
app drawere (folders in iOS)
wireless syncing

only thing you listed is flash that iphone doesn't have and you can even get that through apps.


So while you waste your day rearranging your widgets and installing custom skins and roms I'll complete actual tasks with my iPhone.

FORCE CLOSE!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 21:18

113. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)


And if it hasn't been said already, the folders on iOS is a really poorly executed feature. The blocks within a block thing just looks really sloppy! That's why I love Gesture Search for Android.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 02:02 1

68. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


What? No copying? Then how would you explain the photo of the iphone right next to a Samsung phone in this link below? 4x4 icons, with another row of 4 static icons at the bottom.

http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-to-starve-samsung-out-of-the-smartphone-industry/104111

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 02:28 1

69. Sniggly (Posts: 7183; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


That's Samsung, one manufacturer, and the app layout and general icon design are superficial similarities. I can still tell the two apart at a glance, and so can any customer who has an IQ somewhere above the young earth creationist level.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:31

77. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


It's so clear it's copied come on. It's like talking with Stevie wonder. I would be mad to if I was apple the interface is a poor rendition of iOS. Who cares though everyone will still buy apple because its better people know it. Did you ever see how busy an apple store is. The only thing that deters people is price if u can afford it you by apple (except if your a geek who things its cool to have android) everyone I know with a droid got it because it was cheaper or iPhone wasn't on carrier

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 10:52

89. Sniggly (Posts: 7183; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


DROID X: 200 bucks on contract originally, now 150. Samsung Galaxy S: same. DROID series: same. DROID Incredible: same. EVO 4G: same. People flocked in droves to these phones. They wouldn't do that if they were merely settling.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 15:54 1

96. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


they were settling that's why iPhone is now the best selling phone on VZW even though it's over 1 year old

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:41 1

103. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


None of those phones sold more then an iphone. Once they realize that apple doesn't have flash for a reason and get tired of the phone crashing they will just want the phone to work and get a iphone as has happened to me.

posted on 13 Jul 2011, 07:48

116. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4433; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


That is right because with Android you have choice. You can get a Droid X, Samsung Fascinate, Droid 2, Droid Incredible, Evo 4G, Samsung Epic 4G, & so on. Wow that is six phones to the one iPhone 4. That doesn't include the NEW Android Phones which are selling VERY WELL. With Apple it's ONLY the iPhone 4 so that is why Apple sold more. It's simple mathematics! If you add all those phone sales it would kill the Apple sales. Android is #1 in the US & the world. Please understand that! Plus Android phones work, if they didn't no one would buy them. So what are you talking about?

posted on 13 Jul 2011, 12:09

118. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


They work for about six months. Everyone i know with a og droid its so laggy its unusable!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 04:56

70. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


LMFAO!!! 530gemini, you couldn't have picked a better picture to showcase apple's poor screen and viewing angles issues!
plus, samsung isn't the only 1 that copies by the look of things

http://www.cultofmac.com/kodak-sues-apple-over-iphone-imaging-patent/26260

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 05:32 1

73. Kamen (unregistered)


When HTC had phones, Apple had not even heard of SIM cards. Ops, sorry, they still don't get it - micro SIM...

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