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Apple files another complaint with the International Trade Commission against HTC

0. phoneArena 11 Jul 2011, 10:00 posted on

Since the first complaint against HTC is unlikely to hold water, Apple has filed another one, allegedly for different patents infringement this time, which might overlap with the complaint against Samsung...

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posted on 12 Jul 2011, 01:07 2

65. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


And why, in your entire post, haven't you mentioned that Apple "jacked" features like customizing your home screen (even though the options there are still pathetic) and the notification tray?

I won't deny that in some things Apple has been innovative, but it wasn't until Android and its supporting hardware came along that people really started to care about specs and about seeing their phones become more truly like pocket sized computers.

The older versions of Windows Mobile were laughable because they simply translated the desktop experience to the phone-it just didn't work. The iPhone, while pretty, was still, at its core, just a phone with applications on it. Android is the closest to a user friendly desktop experience you can get on your phone, webOS notwithstanding. When Blackberry dominated the market, people thought of smartphones as a supplement to their computers, something that could do a few things like email and web browsing, but wasn't supposed to actually replace theose functions.

When the iPhone was introduced people began to think of their phones more as a platform for doing cool things, while retaining some more basic features that Blackberry, Palm and Windows had already.

Then Android came along, and with it the acceleration in hardware specs for phones. Over a period of about 6 years Blackberry finally got to 500-600 MHz processors, while the iPhone continued that trend up through 2009 with the iPhone 3Gs.

Then came the Android explosion, and in a period of only TWO YEARS we've seen processors go from 600 MHz to dual core 1.2 GHz processors. That's a 400 percent increase in processing power. Also, like Whateverman said, with Android you really saw a concentration on having a phone that is very feature rich out of the box, and Google continues to add more new features and services all the time. For instance, I almost find the phone experience for Google Maps to be more intuitive than any desktop map software.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:16

80. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Android os was a game changer lol? If you call riding iOS's coat tails and copying a game changer then I guess it was. So android os makes small incremental changes and it's evolving, but with iOS doing the same thing it's not? I think iOS 5 added about 1500 new api's, new features etc and every tech site gave it great reviews. And here's you sniggly and the other trolls saying things like it's outdated, limited along with other nonsense.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:17

81. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Most of these changes are c

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:20

82. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Most of these changes are minor or cosmetic. The same thing you bash Apple for. How in your head can you list these and say android is evolving and then deny iOS is.

I think you called iOS 5 laughable when it was a more major update them this.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:38 3

83. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


"Riding iOS coat tails"
even though it's proven that Android was started on before iOS...

Since you say Android mimmics iOS because they started after iOS (which is wrong, and has been proven with FACTS that Android inc had been founded in 2003) that would mean that Apple stole all of these features that other Opertaing Systems had before iOS did, right?

1. ios 5 notifications-android/web os/samsung touchwiz(slide to notifcations such as miss calls and messages from lockscreen
2 ios 5 quick camera access from lockscreen- copied from wp7
3 ios 5 volume shutter button- camera+ had this last year on their app but apple made them remove it because it was a private api and appl also said that it would confuse the users
4. iCloud symbol- stolen from devolper
5 iBooks copyright- in process of being sued for that
6 blackberry messanger (You can send texts, photos, videos, contact cards, and even engage in group messages. It displays delivery receipts, read receipts, and shows when others are typing. It's pushed to all devices and is supported by both 3G and wifi)

THIS is why people say Apple's not a game changer and is not EVOLVING, we've seen these features before.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 10:15 2

86. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


That was weak, I would respond but iSheephunter just destroyed you. Very easily I might add.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 10:45 2

87. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


10 out of 13 of those changes were changes of functionality within MOTOBLUR. Furthermore, did you read the list of changes for Gingerbread? Gingerbread isn't even supposed to be a major release compared to releases like Cupcake or Eclair. You wouldn't call Honeycomb a major evolution of Android? At least Google came up with a dedicated version of Android for tablets instead of blowing iOS up and slapping it on an oversized iPod Touch.

I didn't call iOS 5 laughable. But most of its best features are stolen from other companies or developers, Taco. Why do you continue to deny this?

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 15:51

95. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Whatever you're an idiot. He used a baseless argument. Android was founded before the iphone so it's not possible it copied iphone? That makes no sense. '

iOS is not evolving unless every feature it adds is ground breaking and new. Android adds weak incremental changes and it's game changing.


I can do the same for android

widgets are not new they've been on pc's for years

live wallpaper is not new

they added exchange support which is obviously copied from blackberry (sarcasm)

Not every feature added can be brand new never done before. The problem with you fandroids is you deny the obvious. Android was something totally different before iOS came out. Apple innovated with new ways to interact with your phone and everyone is taking from Apple up to a point. You can't stay competitive without copying some things from the iPhone.


Whateverman you said blackberry has been using double tap to zoom in. Blackberry didn't even have a touch screen phone before the iPhone.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:00

97. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Come on man use your head. lets say i created a phone company and made a revolutionary product that was different then all other products just because they were out first doesn't mean i copied them when they sell a device similar to mine after mine was on sale for over a year. Just because android came out before ios doesn't matter. The fact is android devices where very different before ios and once the iphone came out it was about a year after that, the droid went on sale. The droid was extremely different from all previous androids because they copied apple and thats why it was so popular. IOS 5 is mostly copied from other platforms but it was minor things really. However it isn't anywhere near what android does which is copy the whole os. Apple copies a stupid notification center that i dont like and you act like its such a big deal and when android copies a whole os with things like an app store(yes there where app stores before apple's but they were used in a very different way and it wasn't merely remotely similar to apple's) and gestures and the whole layout of the thing. Apple has had so many innovations, have you seen what has happened since the iphone came out to phones. Look at phones 4 years ago and today and you will see huge differences. Look from 2003 to 2007 the first 4 years of android and you see very little.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:15

98. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Most of what you said was with regards to specs. I couldn't agree more. Androids are about the specs and i get that. They are the sport cars of the phone world. Apple is more like a rolls royce its the luxury product. Its about what it can do about being small and easy to handle and well designed and all that. Android is ferrari its about speed. The difference is the fast cars are small and luxury is big in technology its the opposite. However a rolls has to be quick but not the fastest around and so does an iphone. Iphone and rolls are about what it can do android ferrari how fast it can go. That is why its ok to like both as i do.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 19:44 1

110. AndroidOS (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)


Who said every Android change was groundbreaking, when did I post that?

"Android was founded before the iphone so it's not possible it copied iphone? That makes no sense."

That makes PERFECT sense, you just don't want it too. Android was being worked on before Apple, so they obviously couldn't have copied Apple. Touch screens? Apple OBVIOUSLY wasn't the first to use touch screens.

"Apple innovated with new ways to interact with your phone and everyone is taking from Apple up to a point. You can't stay competitive without copying some things from the iPhone."

NOTHING FROM THE IPHONE IS NEW, NAME ONE FEATURE THAT WASN'T ON ANOTHER PHONE ALREADY.
MY EARLIER POST CLEARLY STATES THIS.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 19:53 1

111. AndroidOS (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)


Apple changed s**t, look all the features I named that they stole. GUI? BAHAHA. Nokia used that waaay before Apple. Didn't they already get sued for stealing Nokia's ideas? YEP!! But of course you iSheep will SOMEHOW deny that. Aren't they paying Nokia Royalties for infringing on their patents in the first place? Hell Yeah.

Apple innovated nothing. You say that copied minor things? Look at ALL those features copied EXACTLY from other operating systems.

Android copied WHAT from Apple? Please tell me one thing they stole that Apple was the first to patent and use in iOS. GUI? touchsreen? I don't think so.

posted on 13 Jul 2011, 10:41

117. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


kinetic scrolling
swiping gestures
pinch to zoom


all these are patented by Apple by the way

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 11:12 10

7. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


I just think that this is now in the realm of silly. Apple will file a suit against anyone how is doing well & Apple deems as competition. Apple has a complaint against BOTH Samsung & now HTC. It's funny that these 2 companies are Apple's biggest threats. It just looks like is Apple can't beat them so they will resort to banning them from the market. Apple's tactics look desperate & delusional. It seems that they are scared if they have to resort to the extreme act of banning HTC's phones. I don't think Apple wants a monopoly, I think they want to eliminate companies that are making better phones then they are at a much faster rate. HTC makes so many phones for Android and Windows, that to Apple they are a threat plain and simple. Apple wants to get rid of their problems instead of beating them with a better product. Apple is sweating & now sees that they are at the cusp of losing in this game. So when push comes to shove Apple will file a complaint with the International Trade Commission so they can ban their competition. I thought compaint was spelled complaint. Need to fix that title PhoneArena.com lol

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 11:15 6

8. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


PhoneArena.com is quick, thanks for fixing the compaint problem there. lol

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 12:59 3

15. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Filing complaints/lawsuits left and right can backfire on Apple. They filed a slop job at ITC the first time around and got nothing for their efforts. They had better do a tighter job this time. The staff at government agencies don't like to have their time wasted. If Apple continues to send slop to ITC, they run the risk of poisoning the well of good will that might have otherwise been present at ITC.

This ain't over, yet. And Apple knows it.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 14:30

20. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


"Apple is sweating & now sees that they are at the cusp of losing in this game"

Did you read the article from a couple of days ago where Apple makes 50% of profits in the industry? How are they on the cusp of losing?

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 14:50 1

23. stealthd (unregistered)


Or (in reality) Apple sees companies like HTC becoming successful well known brands making smartphones AFTER the success of the iPhone. Yes HTC made smartphones before the iPhone, but they were WinMo devices and they barely had a presence in the wireless industry. It wasn't until HTC started making some of the first popular Android phones - the G1, the Hero, and especially the Evo, that they really became a well known brand. This isn't just about Apple fighting competition, it's about them fighting competition that's riding on their coattails.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 15:36 5

27. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


taco50 there is no way Apple can compete with Samsung & HTC together. Samsung is going to be the #1 phone maker in the world. HTC is going to be in the top 3 in the world. It's going to be impossible for Apple to handle them at the same time. Why do you think Apple wants to ban them both? If Apple was all mighty they wouldn't care what both Samsung & HTC do. Why try to ban HTC? HTC's phones look nothing like an iPhone & HTC Sense if from the future compared to Apple’s dry & stagnant bin there done that iOS. I really think it's FEAR, the driving force behind Apple complaints against BOTH Samsung & HTC. Apple has 50% of the profits right now, but that is going to change very, very shortly. HTC & Samsung are growing like weeds in Apple's pasture & naturally it will cut into their pie! It’s only very basic economics. Both Samsung, & HTC are innovating, while Apple adds notifications ala Android to their iOS & cloud service which has been out now for almost an eternity in this fast paced mobile world. Plus the iPhone is STILL not 4G. How can Apple stay relevant in a world where 4G is insanely fast. Great Apple is going to have a fast dual-core phone that runs 3G. lol Really? Please 3G is now obsolete. HTC & Samsung are dropping 4G phones like it’s a raining. While Apple is still waiting on the release of the iPhone 4S or 5, BOTH HTC & Samsung are hard at work with successors to the HTC Sensation, HTC Evo 3D, & the Samsung Galaxy S II. Apple is way behind the 8 ball now. It just doesn’t look good for Apple to go against the 2 up and coming juggernauts. Apple indeed fears both HTC & Samsung! People are starting to see though the nice & cute Apple advertising. People REALIZE that there ARE better phones than Apple. Apple doesn’t like that!

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 15:37 2

28. mbehrenbrinker (unregistered)


Fact of the matter is that ALL current smart phone designs, especially those with touch screens, have most likely infringed on pattents long-held by the likes of Nokia or NorTel, who have been in the industry much longer than HTC, apple, or Samsung. There has been a long understanding amongst tech companies that the lines of IP rights in the smartphone industry are especially blurry and, therefore have refrained from filing many potentially frivolous lawsuits amongst each other (there are, of course, always exceptions). that is, until Apple entered the court room a few years ago. Apple has filed many such ridiculous and narrow minded claims against competitors, including one that read something like, Apple Inc. holds the rights to "unlocking the device by manipulating a movable image on the touchscreen." weather this is an issue for pattent law as a whole, or the industry, it is clear that such broad pattents (and hence, pattent disputes) will only harm competition and innovation in the industry and cannot realisticly be enforced in such a broad way. Apple is the only one who seems to have missed this idea, and they look like a two year old stomping their feet in the store when they dont get their way.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 19:55 1

44. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Maybe it's because HTC and Samsung are shamelessly copying Apple. iPhone 4 is still a top of the food chain smartphone a year after it came out. Most android phones that came out a year ago have been end of life for months.

iPhone isn't 4G and it is outselling all 4g phones on both VZW and AT&T. And the iPhone 5 will smash all your precious crapdroid phones that come out this year.

But don't worry you have widgets and custom skins!

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 21:58 1

54. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


4g isn't ready for mainstream use yet. It will make your phone huge and suck battery life out of your phone. It's a phone not a toy and 3G is still fast while being able to have a reasonably sized phone! 3G is still better for most peoples use.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 06:58 2

74. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


I have a HTC Evo 3D & it's not a huge phone. It's a perfect sized phone. It feels good on my hand & it happens to be 4G also. The iPhone 4 is too small. I am a man & I got big hands. Maybe your hands are small like a woman’s hands & you are fine with an iPhone 4. But for me it's too small & I think the HTC Evo 3D is perfect so it's a matter of opinion. Anyone who checks out 4G WILL never go back to 3G & that is not a matter of opinion. 4G IS NOW, 3G was yesterday! 4G is so fast that it doesn’t even compare to 3G. For you to say 4G is not mainstream is crazy because if it isn’t now, it will be very shortly. 4G is the future whether you like it or not. It’s not like it’s 3D who some people don’t like, 4G IS HAPPENING. YOU WILL OWN A 4G phone. If you never own a 4G phone it’s because you don’t want a mobile phone, because THAT IS WERE THIS TECH IS GOING!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:02 2

75. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


O K taco50
What you said makes perfect sense.
We will see how your little 3G iPhone 4S or 5 will do. I hope people buy a slow 3G phone so when I show them my 4G phone they will be like damn your phone is so fast, & I will be well your phone is slower with some nice shiny glass! lol

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:19 1

76. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Not saying 4G isn't the future but until the atennas are smaller 4G isn't ready yet is what i am saying. Apple is waiting for the tech to improve because apple won't put its name on a product that doesnt function perfect. btw you dint have a 4g phone you have enhanced 3G the closet thing we have to 4g is lte.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 11:38 1

90. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


WiMAX is CONSIDERED 4G. They changed that a long time ago. Look it up. You can Google it. WiMAX, HSPA+, & LTE ARE considered 4G, so NO you are wrong. There is no such thing as enhanced 3G. Thanks but no thanks. 4G is ready & it functions perfectly, if Apple doesn't want it that is on them. There are millions of people who are very satisfied with 4G & millions more who WILL fall under that same category before Apple even makes an iPhone 4G capable. If they want to risk losing that piece of the pie then AGAIN that is on them! The tech exists but maybe Apple needs time to figure out their antenna issues because I can hold my HTC Evo 3D in anyway & signal will not diminish. Try that on you iPhone 4 even with the stupid little case & STILL there is some signal loss.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:23

99. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Again with the signal loss I have never experienced that and neither has anybody that i know with an iphone. Stop that its childish. I don't care what they advertise 4g as it isn't 4g we both know that. Its all advertising. There is no 4g lte phone that is under 4.3 so the iphone can not have that feature because it isn't about speed its about design and what it does not how fast it does it. Anyway when your phone freezes what good is 4g. Hspa isn't worth the change for iphone so until its smaller they wont bother. Why should they bother to change. They should just come out with it when its a proven technology that can be fit in a smaller phone not drain battery and is available in more markets what is wrong with that.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 17:01 1

106. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Dude my Mother has an iPhone 4 from Verizon & even with its case I can still have signal loss when I hold it the wrong way. That was the first thing I did with that phone when I got my hands on it. So you are a liar. Also the International Telecommunications Union says & you can look this up (Google it) WiMAX, HSPA+, & LTE are 4G. So that isn't advertising. Please stop looking foolish & understand that. My HTC Evo 3D NEVER freezes so again you are WRONG. So maybe you need to stop being the childish one, don't you think? It's like you are making things up!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 18:58

107. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Wait a month it takes time to get viruses. And btw i have tried to do the death grip on my phone and cant. So when not trying its like a normal phone. Androids are good but there well known for security issues.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 19:13 1

109. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


"In the report, Symantec concludes that iOS is best at "resisting malware attacks, resource abuse/service attacks, data loss and data integrity attacks." Android is better than iOS in specific security features. Symantec says that Google's open source OS is better than iOS when it comes to isolating processes, but is behind on "access control, application provenance and encryption."

Where Android really has an advantage is in the number of vulnerable points which Symantec says numbers 200 on iOS versus just 18 on Android. And of that 18, only 4 remain unpatched by Google. The latter also beats Apple when it comes to the speed of patching an 'opening', taking just 8 days to come up with a solution versus 12 days for the Cupertino based firm."

Sounds like Android is more secure than iOS at least according to this. Here is the link if you're skeptical.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Study-by-Symantec-says-both-iOS-and-Android-more-secure-than-your-PC_id19943

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