Apple exploring the prospect of an iPad mini to rival Amazon's Kindle Fire in the future?
0. phoneArena 12 Oct 2011, 08:39 posted on
Apple could be exploring the possibility of launching a “mini” edition of its iPad tablet in response to the Amazon Kindle Fire…
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1. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
They have no right anymore! They sued samsung with the original galaxy tab and after how many 7 INCH TABS, they think of imitating now?!! All companies must SUE APPLE NOW.
21. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I'm willing to bet this is nothing but BS from "analysts". Link bait about an iPhone mini was "predicted" when Android started eating away at the iPhone market share. Then, an iPad mini was predicted when the Galaxy Tab first hit. More likely, Apple will stick to its business plan, and if we see an iPad mini, it won't be until 2013 at the earliest.
32. bolaG (Posts: 468; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
I'm waitting for the windows tablet to start rolling out. iOS Android and who ever else wont compare to its awesomeness
34. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
totally agree michael.
besides, if the fire catches.. um... fire.. and starts burning away at apple's sales, apple wont respond with a competing product. Apple's track record says they will sue for something instead.
51. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Apple can sell a reburised iPad Wifi with 16 GB for $299. The mini will be a lower cost version of the iPad 3 to bring iPad to the masses. Given the economy of scope and economy of scale and learning curve to date -- it will probably cost Apple less than $200 for the parts and labor and could sell the 9.7" for $299 only at Apple stores and Apple.com to enhance their margins. Apple already has the brick and mortar stores and online distribution or ecosystem in place.
Why buy a Fire at 7" for $199 when you can the 9.7" iPad Mini with iOS 5 for $299. For the extra $100, you get about twice the viewing area and the "Apple" experience.
46. E.N. (Posts: 2521; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I'm still waiting for the iPhone nano to be announced....
2. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Funny how the Kindle Fire is now altering the Apple iPad. I knew the Apple iPad's days were numbered & that an Android tablet would challenge it. Well guess what that tablet is the Kindle Fire, plus real soon quad-core tablets are going to start shipping. There goes the iPad's lead, down the drain. 2012 will be HUGE for Android, ESPECIALLY in the tablet market!
12. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
who are the sheep?
every fandroid says the same stuff over and over. i like how the 2012 quad core android tablets are going to kill the ipad. which ipad? the one that will launch in early '12 that you know nothing about? oh, ok.
i like how this makes apple evil. they invented the tablet market (not the tablet). i always hear how much you guys like innovation and the market being pushed forward, then you go and post stuff like this in an apple article. Hypocrites.
15. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Dude what are you talking about? Apple didn't invent the tablet market. You have to invent the tablet in order to invent the tablet market. You are a walking oxymoron. That made no sense what so ever. Apple may dominate the tablet market NOW (that is what I think you are trying to say) but that was the same with the iPhone. Apple was dominating the smartphone market with the Apple iPhone but then Android moved past them as the world’s number 1 OS. Thus almost reaching 1,000,000 daily activations. The same is going to happen to the tablet market. The first company to challenge Apple was Google’s Android, that was for smartphones & now it will be for tablets. This is just pure history repeating itself. What is hypocritical about that?
16. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
there was no tablet market before the ipad, thus apple invented it.
android needs a REAL tablet OS with REAL dev support before they can challenge the ipad. i dont see that happening within 12 months.
windows 8 tablets are going to be the real challenge to the ipad and android will never take a majority of the tablet market. at least align your apple hate with the right company.
18. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Dude you need to STOP right there. There WAS a tablet market whether you want to believe it or not, so you need to acknowledge it. I can't take you seriously if you keep saying Apple invented the tablet market. That is beyond stupid! Apple might have capitalized on the tablet market BUT it was there before. Dude have you heard of Android Ice Cream Sandwich. It's optimized for multiple-core processors. That includes dual-core & quad-core. So THAT is happening & it won't be in the next 12 months, it looks like before Thanksgiving so what on this good planet of ours are you talking about? How can you even refute that? The only thing you are correct about is the Windows 8 tablets. Those tablets along with the new quad-core tablets from Android & the Kindle Fire will eat very heavily into Apple's iPad domination. 2012 will be the year where Apple's iPad armor will get severely damaged.
22. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
alright, i'll concede semantics. let me rephrase for you: the tablet market was infinitely smaller prior to the ipad, which ESTABLISHED the tablet market.
you pretending that there is some "stupid" error in what i wrote based off my exaggerative choice of words is beyond stupid.
ICS is yet to be announced, but rumors are nice. quad core processors are nice, but yet to be announced. their functionality, their ability to sell, their sales compared to the ipad's, all you have is speculation. i hope you are right. sales being spread across different manufacturers and different OSs is good for the consumer. but, so is apple releasing another platform.
25. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Listen I told you from the very first response that you were incorrect in saying that Apple invented the tablet market, then you & I quote say this "there was no tablet market before the iPad, thus apple invented it." So how can you in turn say this "you pretending that there is some "stupid" error in what I wrote based off my exaggerative choice of words is beyond stupid." How can you have the gall to call me stupid? You are right Android Ice Cream Sandwich is yet to be announced because out of respect to Steve Jobs death. If he were alive you couldn't say that. So please let's not pretend & face the facts that Android ICS is real & that quad-core tablets are real as per NVIDIA's Tegra 3. Also Apple can't keep that tablet market share for ever. The Kindle Fire proves that Android can sell a tablet. They are going to shatter the opening day tablet sales. If that is not good enough then what is? People are sick of the same old same old Apple is offering. The Apple iPhone 4S is the same old same old, the iPad 2 is the same old, same old, & iOS5 is the same old, same old. Now Android is new & fresh, once Android ICS hits you will see that, also the Kindle Fire is new & fresh thus the sales records it's going to get, & finally those new quad-core tablets running ICS, again new & fresh something Apple is sorely lacking right about NOW! Apple is a one trick pony, while Android is a buffet of new & exciting things that are constantly evolving!
27. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
going to, going to, going to. all you have is speculation.
there were almost no tablets sold in 2009. in 2010 there were millions upon millions of tablets sold with the launch of the ipad. the ipad accounted for as much as 90% of tablet sales that year (even though it wasnt on the market until Q2). call that what YOU want. I call that inventing a market.
28. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Again you are just doing the same old, same old. Apple didn't invent the tablet market. lol It's funny you keep insisting but hey iSheeps do that. ayephoner whatever you say! Why stop there why not say Apple invented voice recognition because of Siri? lol Hey I think Apple invented glass & invented the glass market! You know because the iPhone 4 & 4S have it & sold millions. lol
Ok I am now officially dumber because I spent too much time responding to ayephoner. Thanks a lot.
31. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
how many tablets sold in '09? how many in Q1 '10?
33. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Look just because something performed well in the PAST doesn't guarantee it will perform great in the future. Don't believe me talk to Nokia, & RIM. I can promise you this, the iPad can't possibly hold on to this lead it has on the tablet market. There are way too many compelling choices that are going to come out very shortly. The Amazon Kindle Fire, the quad-core Android tablets, & those Windows 8 tablets you yourself admitted to being a competitor to the Apple iPad. The iPad is at the same point now that the iPhone was when it was overtaken. This is simple history repeating itself. Don’t know how to put it to you any better!
35. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
can i play mediator here? lol
apple did not invent the tablet.
apple did not invent the tablet market.
apple DID invent a DEMAND in tablets where there was very little before. How about that? :)
And apple can not hold on to the lead. Closed source products always lose to open source products in the end.. its just the nature of the source. Apple DOESNT care what % of the market it has, as long as it can continue to bleed its customers dry and have a high mark up.. its fine.
In the tablet sector, my guess is that 5 years down the line it will be windows, android, then iOS unless windows really bungles it up and/or iOS really changes up the OS which is the least functional tablet OS in the main market. If windows launches Windows8 tablet successfully and can market, the sheer amount of things that a true windows tablet can do.. especially compared to an ipad... will have it eat the market. Schools and businesses will go win8 over the others for the functionality.. ect ect ect.
The tablet market is an infant right now, we are at the beginning of the race, not the end. Expecting leaders not to change along the way is idiocracy. It will probably change several times in the next 5-10 years.
38. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Hey it starts somewhere. This is the beginning.
40. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
tablet market is not an infant, its a toddler because its over a year old. it was born April 3, 2010.
42. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ok, see, you just hurt your own arguement with the date.. i hope that was a joke. The tablet market is nearly 10 years old now. Its an infant. Why? Because not even 3% of the world has a tablet where the majority has a cell phone. Its in its infantile stages. When 10% of the world has a tablet, we can call it a toddler.
37. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
whoa, whoa, whoa.
why aren't we still talking market invention?
i'll help you out. there were about 2 million tablets sold in '09. there were close to 20 million sold the next year with ipad being responsible for upwards of 16 million (with zero sales Q1). some figures have the ipad responsible for 95% of tablet sales in Q3 2010. NINETY FIVE PERCENT. TEN TIMES THE SALES IN ONE YEAR. ALL DUE TO THE ipad.
39. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Dude you are a moron. Just because something sells like hotcakes doesn’t mean the market was invented. I can invent be best snack in the history of snacks & kick the Twinkie’s ass, it doesn't mean I invented the snack market. You already admitted that you were wrong & now you are back. Really?!? Are you that stupid? I don't care if only 20 tablets were sold, just because the iPad sells a billion tablets doesn't mean they,
41. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
2009: no tablet market
2010: tablet market (thanks to ipad)
43. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
obviously trying to mediate with a diehard isheep is pointless.. lol
44. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
your "mediation" was just more fandroid trolling. thats all you or evo ever have to contribute.
48. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol, typical iDiot response.. if you dont agree with me 100%, then you must be an evil troll from the "other side".. lol
i wonder what its like in iBot world.. lol. these guys get a lil nutty.
52. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
read your first "mediative" post. every post you make is completely one sided.
45. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I just got tired of going back & forth. The sad part is ayephoner REALLY believes that Apple INVENTED the tablet market. So I will leave it at that. iSheep just can't be reasoned with! lol
53. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
2009: no tablet market
2010: tablet market
47. DisplayName (unregistered)
You sure put a lot of work into your avatar and screen name. It's pretty gnarly, you know when I was a little kid I really liked pirates too.
54. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
not my image. if my screen name looks like work, i'd like to have your job.
49. iWallE (Posts: 48; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
Judging from all statistical data that come out (market share, data traffic share and so on) I believe the iPad's days are very far from numbered. Neither is it altered in any way by the Kindle Fire or any other tablet. And you have no idea how well the Fire will do, because they haven't started selling it yet. Yes, Kindle Fire may become a credible competitor for iPad and that would be good, because competition drives innovation. But I rather believe these two devices target different user groups and will barely compete. Plus, Amazon's tweaks to Android seem so significant, I'm not sure any success of the Fire can be considered a success of the platform. Au contraire, that would mean people actually want something very different from stock Android.
Anyway, what you're saying is not backed up by any facts or even reasonable assumption. I don't like all this iOS vs Android madness but posts like yours make me wonder why so much useless hate is spilled across the web. Why do you so desperately need to convince yourself the market is not what it actually is? If you are confident enough in your choice of device, you shouldn't care even if you're the only person in the world to have it.
5. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
lol Why are you spamming the same exact stuff on different threads. lol
WEAK, real WEAK. LMAO!
You are a joke.
8. dacastrator (Posts: 232; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
really man, what is your first language?
11. AKm007 (Posts: 108; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)
Your disastrous command of English is giving me a head-ache. How do you find making a fool of yourself funny? Stop spamming. These sites are for people who care about technology and they don't come here to see a degenerated monkey trying desperately to garner some attention. Go crawl back under the rock you came from and leave us in peace.
23. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3046; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Dude I would rather listen to the miz then even attempt to read the garbage you spill out. Please for the love of god, if you are going to troll, please use some proper grammar.
4. JTBNDY (unregistered)
I thought Apple already had an iPad mini.... called the iPod Touch.
14. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
"The “mini” in this case refers more to the price segment rather than the screen size which may or may not be smaller."
did you read the article? or just rush in to make a "witty" remark?
6. AppleFUD (unregistered)
"First, Apple has never been a company driven by what its rivals do. "
So tell me then why iOS 5 has so many features from Android & RIM? Why did apple buy Siri? Why the OTA updates? ETC. . . .
Every company is pushed by its competitors. If you don't acknowledge good products and alter yours to consumers ever changing tastes and what's currently hot you will find your company back where apple was in the 90's.
I really wonder about some of the "tech journalist." Seem to be a rather clueless bunch.
17. Victor.H (Posts: 515; Member since: 27 May 2011)
My remark about Apple was in the context of hardware - we're talking about a possible iPad mini here, which you've kindly overlooked giving a completely unrelated example with software.
So while there possibly are a couple of cases where Apple has copied hardware designs and form factors (not remembering any right away, though), the company is known for the opposite. Apple has pushed the industry with the Mac, the MacBook Air, same goes for the iPhone and it was true for the iPad. The rest of your smart conclusions, I leave without a comment.
20. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I am sorry but Apple just copied a lot of stuff & have made them better. If that is pushing the industry then so be it. Apple is not known for original inventions. The Mac is a computer that looked different & was produced for the general public that I give you. The MacBook Air is a Laptop that is very thin & very brittle, nothing new just different, the iPhone was a direct rip off the LG Prada. Again nothing new because Apps were around before Apple & so were smartphones. The iPad is just a big iPhone that is all nothing new, also tablets were around before the iPad. So Apple didn't invent anything, they took existing ideas, made them fresh, & marketed the hell out of them. Again if that is pushing the industry then so be it. Apple now sees direct & very strong competition from the Kindle Fire so they will copy the form factor to better compete with them, again nothing was invented just reused & probably will market the hell out of!
50. roscuthiii (Posts: 1887; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
The real trick is to name things Apple actually created itself and didn't just obtain by purchasing from another company before tweaking.
As far as Apple not copying... Really!?! Are you familiar with the Steve Jobs infamous on-stage quote about that, or should I do a quick Google search for you?
7. dacastrator (Posts: 232; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
I thought they already have a mini iPad, a 3.5 incher iPod Touch right?
13. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Really?!? Really?!? Dude this is one of the funniest things ever.
24. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3046; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Please go away, we have enough trolls here and at least we can stand them. You on the other hand are out of this world stupid.
19. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Maybe the iPod Touch 5G is going on steroids (7 inch screen + LTE radio)?
26. YUAPPPPPP (unregistered)
Im not wearing any pants.
55. IPADmini (Posts: 1; Member since: 11 Dec 2011)
The problem I see is that all these Android makers are pumping out new models too fast. They are hanging themselves. People blast Apple for releasing too many models too close together. MOST Android makers are far worse. They are p*ssing off their loyal customers. IPAD mini