Apple expected to ship the most smartphones for the whole of 2011, to topple Nokia, Samsung
0. phoneArena 06 Sep 2011, 05:33 posted on
Apple is expected to become the biggest smartphone vendor in terms of shipments for the whole of 2011. Apple already went past Nokia in smartphone shipments for the second quarter of the year…
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1. huhu (unregistered)
symbian is nokia killer
you can defend symbian till the end but it wont matter in real world
yes people want apps
yes people dont care with "mature OS" that dont have lot of apps, have ugly UI, ugly keyboard and ugly browser
i fine it hard to define symbian as a smartphone OS
10. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
Symbian is not a Nokia killer, it is just Mr. Elop that has made you believe that.
Nokia was doing good with Symbian 3, they had the biggest market share in the world in Q4 2010 7 Q1 / 2011. It was after Mr. ELop announced Symbian dead that the market share for symbian dropped.
Yes, the browser is not the best in Symbian, but it just got a new browser with Anna, and yet another new browser is coming in belle.
I agree Symbian is ugly, but not nearly as ugly as WP7, that's one of the reasons Nokia will never have as much market share with WP7 as with symbian.
16. mistercarter (Posts: 339; Member since: 01 Sep 2011)
if you believe WP7 is ugly, then you're definitely BLIND!
21. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
No i'm not blind.
everything exept the live tiles are black and white and square. Reminds me of DOS...
Did anyone think DOS is nicer than Windows 7... anybody ???
25. baldilocks (Posts: 705; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)
I have to agree with you there. WP7 reminds me of the days of ANSI text graphics.
2. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
obviously apple is gonna have a banner year since it will finally be on all carriers.. but i doubt its going to be THAT MUCH of a jump. If the iphone5 is really a 3.7 inch underperformer many people wont upgrade. And if the difference is that small, a lot of people will go for last years i4 to save money.. just like the 3gs kept up in sales all year with the i4 this year.
My guess is it hits around 70 million in sales. As far as nokia, I see it in 3rd place. Samsung and apple will be neck n neck in a nearly "2 close to call" race" that has them bouncing back n forth through the quarters, but ultimately I think apple will edge them out. This however will be apple's last year of dominance unless the i6 is a drastic change. I also think that HTC will overtake Rim for the year as I feel that the eventual launch of QNX will not be enough to slow their downslide.. or androids upslide.
1) apple 70 million
2) samsung 67 million
3)Nokia 55 milion
4) HTC 54 million
5) RIM 46 million
6) LG 30 million
That is my best guess. All these reports are just best guess anyways.
7. snowgator (Posts: 3515; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
That's a lot of freaking smartphones, ain't it?
Agree with your post, although I am betting iPhone smashes a lot of sales records in the first couple of months of sales. Their share world wide in markets they haven't been in before at launch, and where smaller screens seems to be prefered, almost assures it. I am curious if the i5 can keep the same sales as the i4 did for as long. I find it hard to believe they can as the competition is no longer trying to catch up.
Like HTC's chances to challenge for 3rd. Worry that QNX will come to late in the year to keep RIM from dropping to 6th. Or worse, they rush them and they are poor quality.
13. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i think QNX will be late too, but i dont think they will slide past LG this year. Blackberry still has the corperate world on lockdown.. for now. That is slowly changing as others get better security in their exchange clients, but nothing beats the security of a blackberry BES server.
67. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Anyone else notice all the calm and semi-intelligent conversations that were going on in this thread before the hyper iDiot fanboys taco and Gemini jumped in and started fights? Wow, way to turn the intelligence level to -11 guys.
32. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@remix. You said "just like the iphone 3gs kept in sales all year with the i4 this year". You seem to insinuate that the iphone is the topselling phone because they're combining the ip3gs and the ip4 total sales. On at&t, the ip4 is the topselling phone, followed by the ip3gs, followed by Samsung infuse. Ip4 and ip3gs sales are not combined. The ip4 and the ip3gs are on 1st and 2nd position. As for Verizon, well, we all know that they don't carry ip3gs, and that the ip4 is also their topselling phone.
Just wanted to clarify that, as you're attempting to downgrade due credit for the iphone.
38. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
gemini, go find me a single report on this site that breaks down "iphone sales" by iphone 3gs and iphone4. Until you can find that, you dont have a point.
ALL sales are charted as "iphone"... regardless of version or carrier. Only android seems to be broken down by version and carrier.
hense why dense iDiot iBots continually say its "1 iphone against an android army"... because all iphone sales are lumped under 1 heading instead of 3 (for the US) while phones like the galaxyS are broken down by carrier and/or version even though (exept for the epic's keyboard) they are 99% the same.
45. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Facts are a fandroids worst enemy. The 2 year old 3GS still outsells all android based smartphones.
63. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
remember how you lack reading comprehension taco?
I said.. " find me a report ON THIS SITE that breaks down iphone sales by iphone3gs and 4"
im not gonna even bother reading your articles because u couldnt produce the requested proof.
Since most people dont troll 50 different websites and mostly comment on the site they frequent (aka, phone arena) they only go by the info presented on this site.... and that includes you. find the info on this site.
83. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
First of all it was reported on PA as well. Second this shows your lack of logic. If it's not reported on PA it doesn't exist?
48. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
/articles/11/09/06/iphone_4_re mains_top_selling_us_smartphon e_despite_growing_iphone_5_hyp e.html
More facts sorry to do this to you. I know you hate facts.
50. Kjayhawk (Posts: 293; Member since: 07 Oct 2010)
I kinda already described how this works kid but i will tell you one more time. Android outsells iPhone fact. So really your argument just got obliterated..... as we say you scored one touchdown sorry kid its still 48 to 30.... Literally owning you is probably my favorite past time, and i am glad to be back doing it
and heres some facts for your:
id+Outsells+iPhone+5to2+Has+Ne arly+50+Percent+of+the+Market/ article22326.htm
whats this old news:
Oh no facts by more than 1 source... Sorry kid i don't trust some high school students on apple insider... I trust real journalist and hell yes androidcommunity.com is legit as a mother f**ker (Sarcasm...)
Now since i literally just raped you all over this site like i do. I will go back to the article.
I think apple will not only sell more iphones than anyone else but also be close to the number one OS sold period, meaning yes if they don't beat android then they will certainly come close.... an iPhone on all carriers is ridiculous and will certainly pull in quite the audience. Just my 2 cents now Taco I apologize but i will have to leave you, lets avoid posting on this site for a couple of weeks because personally after that i wouldn't want to show my face for awhile...
51. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So you're argument is that android as an entire OS outsells one phone. That's not what I said and I don't dispute that. Also you posting RUMORS about the thunderbolt outselling the iPhone which have been PROVEN untrue with actual sales results reported doesn't own anyone, but you.
I was responding to remix who said there were no reports breaking down iPhone sales. You then come on here to argue a point I wasn't even making and link to rumors.
Nice self ownage
77. Kjayhawk (Posts: 293; Member since: 07 Oct 2010)
nope the RUMORs came out to be true... sorry. I was talking about how though apple is the number one manufacture, android sells more as a whole... Instead of trying to change the subject the proper response would have been, well iOS sells more as a whole if you include iphone, ipod and ipad sales, but it seems that you are so dumb that you can't even argue properly. (Thats SELF OWNAGE!!)
My main argument really was how you said facts were a fandroids worst enemy, i was showing facts are the only ally to fandroids.
Plus I don't care about the argument now but when i was in middle school I defiantly didn't have a cell phone and defiantly wouldn't be using it in class. Now Taco we talked about this stop posting during school.
84. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Rumors were not true. The iPhone smashed the thunderbolt in sales.
55. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@kjayhawk. I just love it when android fanboys try to twist facts around in favor of android as if all readers are dumb.
Android does have a bigger market share than IOS if you combine all android OEM sales. But that is not what this article is referring to. It is on which particular phone model sells the most on each carrier. And it is the iphone4 and the iphone3gs that are on the 1st and 2nd spot.
78. Kjayhawk (Posts: 293; Member since: 07 Oct 2010)
How did I twist facts?
I stated my point if you read my post you would have seen how i address the article. Plus CULTOFMAC isn't a f**king source kid. look at the bottom of the article there is a link where it says source, use that next time champ.
54. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@remix. Taco have already provided you with multiple links. Here's another one.
So, I don't have a point because at first I didn't provide you a link, but you think that you have a point when you have not provided proof either of your assumption that the ip3gs and up4 sales are combined. Nice one remix. Typical android fanboy mentality. Also, there is an article here in PA a while ago the broke it down as well that the ip4 was on first and ip3gs 2nd, not combined. You even posted several comments on their cooking up your own calculations, lol.
64. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the only time ive EVER seen it broken down on this site is when SNIGGLY posted it from other sources.
You say its on the site somewhere... FIND IT.
I bet before you do,you find 30 articles putting "iphone" as 1 category by itself instead of breaking it down into 3 iphones (3gs, 4-GSM, 4-CDMA).
Good luck finding it, because it doesnt exist ON THIS SITE, and apple doesnt release individual sales figures.
65. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
btw, THOSE ARENT SALES FIGURES!!
what an idiot.
it just has phones listed with no proof of sales figures at all.
wooo hooo!! glad you proved that point.. lol
43. E.N. (Posts: 2584; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Expect Samsung to be much lower than Apple. Samsung has had a nice ride, but I'm sure the iPhone 5 will have somewhat of a negative impact on sales. Too close to call may be a little too optimistic
66. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Its all best guess really. I say we make a chart with our predictions and see who comes closest at the end of the year.. we need a prize of some sort... Maybe PA can throw us a new superphone next year for the winner? :)
3. Mooooo (Posts: 212; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)
If iphone is not past a 3.7 inch phone. That alone will be an issue and that is not counting any other manufacturing issues that may occur.
9. tahnik (Posts: 188; Member since: 17 Jul 2011)
3.7 inch is forever a best screen size for mobile...
15. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
I don't thinks so, try holding the 4.2 incher Xperia Arc then your opinion will suddenly change. . .
17. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
Still screen size is a matter of personal preference. . .
19. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
It's more to do with the size of the phone..you can make a 4+ inch screen feel small if the phone has small bezel,is light etc...I have the galaxy s2 and the thinness and the weight makes all the different..before I got the s2 I always thought my ip4 screen was perfect and anything bigger would be too big..now that I have both,they are as portable as eachother....still think that if the s2 was not thin or light as it is I would think different....
60. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
Correct, My friend has an iphone which I find very portable and I on the other hand have an Xperia Arc, although the Arc's screen is petty big, holding one feels as if its just a 3.7 incher screen. Whats more with the SG II who has a more slimmer package. . .
4. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
Rotten Apple is #1 in ripped off it customers too.
6. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4774; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
To me there are a lot of questions with the new iPhone 5. First of all, if the iPhone 5 is 4G or not? There are rumors that the iPhone 5 for Sprint might be WiMAX 4G. We don't know about Verizon or AT&T but that should be a huge aspect if indeed the Sprint iPhone 5 is 4G or not. Second the screen, to me the iPhone 5 needs to be 4" the very minimum. A 4" screen is perfect, because it's considered a LARGE screen but it's not as mammoth as a 4.3" & above. A smart phone needs to be 4" or above. Anything smaller & I will consider it a feature phone. Third Apple’s iPhone 5 needs to come out on every carrier. We know of Sprint, but what about T-Mobile? If Apple wants to compete with Samsung, they NEED to be on all the top 4 carriers. Anything less & it will have a hard time competing with Samsung. Remember the Samsung Galaxy S II is STILL not out yet. Also the Samsung Prime for Verizon will be a big player! Apple has a chance to do what they say, but all these factors have to be fulfilled before Apple can realize that goal!
27. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
I guess phones before 2007 like the n95, the treo, etc are feature phones, lol.
28. Stuntman (Posts: 834; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
"A smart phone needs to be 4" or above. Anything smaller & I will consider it a feature phone." -- SuperAndroidEvo
I think there is more to just the screen size that defines what a smartphone is. It is the functionality of the phone. Whether the screen size is 3.2" or 5" or somewhere in between or beyond, doesn't matter. A smartphone is a smartphone if it has the necessary functionality regardless of the screen size.
Screen size will be mostly determined by personal preference. There is no ideal screen size for everyone. There will probably be a "most popular" screen size. Even the most popular screen size probably isn't one that suits everyone. The popular screen size will like change over time as people's use of phones change and technology changes.
35. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4774; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
@ Stuntman, If you are using any apps for productivity or for fun you can't use them effectively on a screen smaller than 4". I can't use an iPhone 4 because the screen is too small. I can't be productive if I am consistently pinching to zoom or double tapping. It gets in the way, I use my phone for work & to keep double tapping or pinching is counterproductive to me. Again MOST people use their phones for FUN, not WORK. Me as a professional I can't use a phone with a smaller screen. Most apps now a day’s require a bigger screen to function ok, again if you like to pinch to zoom or double tap then go ahead but I rather have more real-estate then less because I hate to zoom in and out to do work, use an app, or read the web. Why do you think Apple’s next iPhone will have a bigger screen? Obviously because of the problems I just mentioned.
@ 530gemeni, The apps are not what they were before 2007, a smartphone was more a PDA then. Smartphones today are WAY more than PDA's. You can't compare a smart phone from before 2007 to today. It's like comparing apples to oranges. A smartphone before 2007 is like a feature phone today in 2011!
Nice to talk to you, it's been a long time.
46. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You're a professional?!! You write like an adolescent. I find that very hard to believe.
74. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4774; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
taco50, This is a blog site. I don't need to write like I do during my work hours. & yes I am a professional. You are a professional too, a professional iDiot, iSheep! I didn't know you were grading me. lol The way you write gives you no right to criticize anyone. I only blog from my phone, NEVER from my PC. You are a child, how can I take anything you say seriously when you write the most garbage here on PhoneArena.com? Even other iPhone users on this site can't stand what you talk about. I love how you can call me an adolescent. It's very comical. lol You are just a blind little iSheep.
56. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
So what would you call android phones with 3.5 displays then? Do you want me to name you some of them? Or how about current blackberry phones with 3.5 displays or lower? You seem to have forgetten that not all android phones have 4 inch displays, lol.
68. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
android phones with 3.5 inch displays are all low end handsets at this point. Blackberry isnt even in the race anymore.. lol.
Your not really proving a point.
75. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4774; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
530gemini, All top-tier Android phones sport 4" or above. The mid to low end are the smaller screens. Yes they are considered smartphones but are in the same league as the iPhone 4. You just can't play a game well on a screen that size, you can't work with it, & you can't use apps well because of the smaller real-estate. Blackberry phones are going extinct & they way BB will survive is to license its BB service to let's say Android or Windows Phone 7, you know REAL smartphones not feature phones like every iPod err opps iPhone. lol I ask you this, why is the Apple iPhone 5 going to sport a new larger screen?
61. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
Nye. . . I think feature phones made by smalltime asian companies of today exceeds (in terms of functionalities) even the smartphones of 2007.
76. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4774; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Thank you, I agree with your comment!
8. Mooooo (Posts: 212; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)
This current version of Apple computer is not the one i remember as a kid when the Apple ][ was out and I saw and used it in my school. It is also not the one that would do the great outdoor US festival concert for 2 years straight with incredible acts and lasted almost a week each.
If you would of told me that in the future police and pi's would be harassing someone over a lost phone that Apple lost themselves and was sent by Apple. I would not have believed you. Also that Apple would be suing everyone. Especially when they started there business basically using a lot of Xerox's material (along with Microsoft).
I still cant believe it sometimes. As I sold my iphone 3g. I realized like others that are older will sooner or later realize that this is not the same company. The newer crowd does not remember what i remember however the internet has made the world a smaller place. They too will soon realize things on there own.
For me this is not an Android vs Apple thing. It is more which company has the best products at the current time. I do hope since being a long time Linux fan android prevails but time will tell but it is sure is moving on up and up.
14. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
apple has change a lot.. they used to be the "hippie" company, now they are the communist over controlling company. I guess thats the natural difference between "small guy" and "big guy", but still.
24. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
The definition of a yuppie was a hippie that made money.
30. stealthd (unregistered)
You don't seem to know what communism is.
40. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
let me get the gyst. its where one central dominant controlling body tells people what they can and can not have, the central body retains the rights and controls to things even if its operated "by the people" and choice is very limited. The governing body also gets to "choose" winners and losers by the policies it makes. Governing bodies are also not kind to outside influences and like to try to crush any opposition to them through force.
Sounds pretty much like apple, itunes, the app market, apple suing samsung, and how steve jobs likes to randomly pull and curtail apps on the market because he personally doesnt like them.
52. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You just proved stealths point of not knowing what communism is.
69. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if u think that isnt what communism really is, then you need a history lesson. Go read news articles about the great communist countries of russia, china, and cuba.
Id say quit listening to John Lennon's "Imagine", but I doubt you know what that is.
79. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4774; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
taco50, you have the b@lls to call me an adolescent? remixfa made a great point & you answer his point with " You just proved stealths point of not knowing what communism is". You are kidding right? I am sorry but you have no validity what so ever. & he says I am an adolescent? lol Great way to contradict yourself taco50. Typical adolescent comment. Buddy you are a living legend.
iSheep always hopping around NEVER making sense. lol
18. giveitabreak (unregistered)
I just find it funny that the company that got started by ripping off the competition, is now sueing every one and thier mother for "ripping off the competition".......
22. Mooooo (Posts: 212; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)
What also surprises me is that Gates gives away his money now.
23. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
like gates said... at some point you have so much money there is nothing you cant buy and still have a ton left over..
he gave a few billion to each of his kids, and is giving away the rest through his charity work. Its very admiral.
62. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
He's just shedding excess baggage (money) which in turns helps other people in need. . .