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Apple executive Schiller attacks Android

0. phoneArena 13 Mar 2013, 18:23 posted on

With less than 24 hours before the launch of the next flagship Android phone, Apple executive Phil Schiller made some negative comments about Google's open source mobile OS; besides bring up the "F" word-fragmentation-Schiller noted that because of the number of different companies that are involved in making Android phones, the platform "suffers"...

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posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:48

75. darkkjedii (Posts: 12652; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Nothing's wrong. You just think I'm a fanboy, cuz I defend apple. When apple is wrong I'll blast them as well. Phil should shut his smug mouth, and get iOS where it should be... Hell atleast put quick settings in the notifications shade they stole from android. Hey Phil...you listening.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 18:41 1

16. MelvinPainter (Posts: 52; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


He is basically trying to appeal to more non-thinkers. Have you ever noticed that in communist countries, they all wear the same clothes, ride the same bike, and have the same government issued phone.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:38

67. Timmehor (Posts: 599; Member since: 09 Mar 2013)


No? Don't bother bring political views in a tech forum, doesn't work out lol

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 18:43 3

19. ghostnexus (Posts: 96; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


When dealing with software there will always be fragmentation at some point. Android advances faster than most in the mobile industry thus fragmentation happens at a faster rate.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:02

40. blingblingthing (Posts: 459; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)


It is that sample. The rate at which android is upsurging with manufacturers having multiple handsets to update and new flagships to launch. Fragmentation is understandable.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 18:43

20. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Phil Schiller should have been more willing to compliment Samsung: after all, they did steal Apple's designs and technology, and Sammy likely wouldn't be as prosperous today without such acts of intellectual theft and patent infringement...

Hail to the thief ;o)

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 18:58 3

36. darkkjedii (Posts: 12652; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


You're right in a sense. Sammy did take cues from apple/iPhone they even admitted it in court, but c'mon dude Sammy has its own legs now...and they are every bit as strong as apples. Sammy doesn't need apple as an inspiration anymore. If you ask me apple can take a few cues from Sammy. iOS is my go to platform, cuz I'm deeply vested in it but Sammy is tugging at me more and more. If I love the s4, the day before it launches my note 2 goes on Craigslist.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:38

68. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Okay, kudos to you for admitting past crimes of dear ol' Samsung. I'm guessing the S4 will be a solid piece of hardware. I never said their Android devices weren't compelling purchases, although it's true that Samsung has yet to release any quality devices for WP8. I tend to believe they want to ensure WP doesn't find it's footing, and that accounts for Samsung pushing trash bin smartphones running WP8 OS, but whatever. Nokia does a good enough job, and it's possible that WP8 doesn't really need Samsung after all, especially if the next Nokia flagship is as innovative and high quality as the Lumia 920...

As for Apple, it's about time they took the offensive, and they should be attacking the security flaws of Android the way I have been doing in these message forums. Instead of running those cute MAC vs PC commercials, why not put their talents to better us and slam Android instead? Droid fans might not like that, but it's called dealing with yo' enemies, and they'd better do it quick and hard, if Apple wants to preserve it's top spot as king of smartphone Candyland. No prisoners ;o)

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 21:13

90. darkkjedii (Posts: 12652; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Well said bro. Apple/Phil's running off at the mouth, while Sammy's innovating, and I will straight up admit that. About the only thing I don't like about Sammy, is that I think they throw a little too much into their flagships which can out work the ram. That's not really a bad thing though.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 23:23 1

103. Stuntman (Posts: 784; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


I consider this to be a compliment to Samsung to say this the day before the SGS4 announcement.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 18:47 4

25. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6737; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


U MAD BRO? Just because Android is evolving faster than your puny/crummy iPhone? while ur design stay the same grid and our SCREENS are getting LARGER.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 18:52 8

28. babyk (Posts: 222; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


android 2.3 is still better off than ios 6

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:48

54. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Wow I forgot how GingerBread looket....?
First the Galaxy, next was S2™®©

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 18:53

32. timtimity (Posts: 196; Member since: 13 Aug 2012)


While I agree that Apple has allowed my 3GS to be updated to iOS 6, I wish I hadn't. It has made my phone incredibly slow. I can see the idea of allowing all users access to the latest software, but it's got to be weighed up against userbility of a product that isn't optimised to use it.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:57

81. JunBringer (Posts: 103; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)


Same thing happened with the last update that the 3G got, it prettymuch crippled it, thus pushing you toward an upgrade and more money in Apple's pocket.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 18:58 1

37. nikenturd (unregistered)


Awww....poor Apple, I guess the limelight doesnt belong to them right now

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:00 2

38. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)


It must really hurt this guy to think that people would still rather buy a phone with old Android OS on it than an iPhone with 6.1.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:01 10

39. dbparipsa (Posts: 18; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


He is absolutely true. What is actually means is Google updates android very slowly -1.0, 1.1, 1.5, 1.6, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 3.0, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 in number suffixes (while making some big changes). But iOS makes big changes in numbers -iOS 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc(While making almost no changes in the OS).

Look at how different android 4.2 is from 1.0. And look at how similar iOS 6 is from iOS 1.0. It still looks and feels more or less same. Actually google is honest with its updates giving the honest number suffixes - small number increment for smaller updates and large number increment for big updates. But Apple tries to fool people by making them believe that every update they bring is a big update. If google had given whole number suffixes to its Android versions like iOS, Android 4.2 would be Android 12!

In fact, Android's smallest update still brings more new improvements than iOS's biggest update. So its upto you - whether you want a large number of "suffix" updates (go for iOS) or a small number of "big updates" (go for Android).

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:15

44. Mxgmubashir (Posts: 4; Member since: 13 Mar 2013)


well said (Y)

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:18

46. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


I totally agree with you!

+1

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:50

58. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Totally agree, well said+1

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:52

59. bubbadoes (Posts: 366; Member since: 03 May 2012)


Since 2007 apple is only on ios6. So what is your point. Apple started the race first also. 39

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:59 1

84. dbparipsa (Posts: 18; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Thank u for ur comment. I am afraid u might have got the information bit wrong. Apple did not have iOS 6 since 2006. Plz refer to wikipedia for iOS versions.

iOS 6 was released on september last year with iPhone 5. The first iPhone was released with iOS 1.1.5 in 2007. And, it doesn't matter who started the race first. All it matters is who end up victorious!

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:42

69. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Unfortunately, in spite of all those incremental upgrades to Android, it's still the most insecure mobile OS in the world, which is why the cyber-criminals love it! Yeah, it can do custom mods, but then letting your personal data float around in cyber-space with little or no protection isn't such a good thing...

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:12 1

42. Mxgmubashir (Posts: 4; Member since: 13 Mar 2013)


He is afraid of next Galaxy i guess hahahaha
Mr Schiller even-though an android devices releases with 2.3.6 gingerbread version it'll be still better than IOS.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:14 1

43. Chongdefied (Posts: 1; Member since: 13 Mar 2013)


HAHA, the new and old strategy of Apple. If you can't sue them, bash them. Unfortunately for Apple, Android owns 66.4% of the global smartphone market.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:36

49. shamataa (Posts: 202; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


wow this guy is full of himself. He thinks how knows Android. Learn to use 1 before you say stuff like this. " Schiller said that it will launch with a year old OS (Android 4.1) that will need to be updated". First of all how do you know that if it didn't came out yet? . Apple must be really afraid of Samsung to say stuff like this. Apple is stinking fast so they will do the old trick. It won't work at all.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:48

53. Aeires (unregistered)


If these guys paid half as much attention to their own OS as they do towards Android, Android really would be in trouble. Instead they just throw mud and release outdated incremental updates repeatedly. Apple has lost track of what they used to be, they don't think differently anymore.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:49

55. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


Android as an operating system will begin being dissmantled by the end of this year. I have no doubt whatsoever that google is planning to move its mobile strategy over to a Chrome based platform, which probably won't go down well with current users.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:44

72. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Chrome! Who uses that, other than the most obscure geeks? If that's what Google is really planning, then I fear for it's ultimate survival...

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 21:04

87. Zero0 (Posts: 583; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


I don't know. 30% of people who use the newfangled Interwebs, give or take.

At least it isn't Safari...

Side note: If anyone at Apple is reading this, it's 2013. Even Internet Explorer has security features now. Get with the program.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:49 1

56. bubbadoes (Posts: 366; Member since: 03 May 2012)


What a stupid comment..launch with outdated os. As if ios6 is nothing but static tiles that can run on a single core 500 mhz platform with 256 mb of ram. Its the most boring os i have ever seen which is why anyone can master it out of the box from 8 to 80. Look around

posted on 14 Mar 2013, 07:34

112. darkkjedii (Posts: 12652; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


It being easy to master is also why it's been so financially successful buba. And for these companies wouldn't you think money is their bottom line? Love or hate apple, they know how to make money dude, and that's what big business is all about IJS.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:50 1

57. ECPirate37 (Posts: 92; Member since: 14 Jul 2011)


They have be on two year old software, but that software still does more than current iOS. I have both an EVO3D, and an iPhone 4S on my plan, so I feel comfortable stating this.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 19:59 4

60. talon95 (Posts: 69; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)


"When you take an Android device out of the box, you have to sign up to nine accounts with different vendors to get the experience iOS comes with,"

Seriously? So if i buy an iPhone i don't have to sign into my VPN, Exchange server, Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, Outlook, or anything else? Options:
1. Apple doesn't have apps for any of these.
2. Apple keeps every password for every app and enters it for me.
3. Apple expects me to only use the itunes store and nothing else ever.
4. Phil doesn't have a clue what I want and doesn't even know all the options that are available when you aren't locked in Apples razor wire walled garden.

What a desperate marketing move, totally in damage control mode. It's not even after the launch when he has something intelligent to say. He's pretty much telling his children to avert their eyes so they don't see something that would make them doubt apple is the best, or even has a chance. Come on Friday and tell me how Apple is going to compete and what they're going to offer and then, better yet, deliver something other than that 2009 funk they keep pushing out. He obviously has no clue what I want and isn't planning on asking or listening, so I'll be disregarding his lame opinion.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:51

79. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


I'll agree it was a desperate marketing move: Schiller should have related the fact that Android is completely infested with malware, and that data used for financial transactions is at high risk of being stolen. Google doesn't control it's apps well enough to provide legitimate security, and Apple should exploit that to their advantage instead.

So, who wants a walled garden anyway? Oh wait, I know: that would be anybody that likes to protect their property from being stolen...

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 21:02 1

85. Zero0 (Posts: 583; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Pro tip: Don't install crap from "WeWantz2HackU, Inc." on Google Play. You're probably going to get burned. But stick to trusted developers and you're absolutely 100% fine. If you're THAT concerned about security, you probably wouldn't be on the Internet.

Love the ending, by the way. Let me try a strawman of my own:
Who wants a walled garden? People who hate freedom.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 23:54

104. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Wait, I thought the value of Android was having such a big ass collection of apps? Are you telling me that now you should only stick to a limited selection from "trusted" developers, because the rest of it might be malware? So perhaps those 800,000 apps are really more like 250,000, with the rest of the bunch either being malware, or just plain useless...

Also, one man's unlimited freedom is another man's vice, and an open operating system lacks security by virtue of it's design. You can shout and scream all you want, but Android is less secure than iOS, WP8, and BB-10, and not just because it's more popular. Google also sells your data for advertising revenue, and what you call freedom I call big brother in the form of side ads. Nothing is free in this world, didn't you know?

Heads or tails? Two sides to every argument ;o)

posted on 14 Mar 2013, 08:56

113. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Oh god, you are a pain

1. Google play has a bouncer, so no apps are on Google play that are virus

2. Google play tells The user what apps are taking your data.

3. IOS apps where proven to take more data from the users without their knowledge

posted on 14 Mar 2013, 17:32

125. Zero0 (Posts: 583; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Not quite.

Not all of the non-iOS apps are malware. There are apps that Apple almost irrationally does not allow that would be okay on the Play Store. So there's more freedom to be had in Android.

As for security, I disagree. Openness is not a liability. It is largely an advantage. First, you have more eyes on the code. Yes, bad guys can see it, but so can virtuous coders. Secondly, hackers have respect for free software. This is part of the reason that Linux very rarely gets hacked, even though it's the probably best target (the majority of servers run Linux).
See: Chrome OS escaped a hack-a-thon unscathed, despite $3 million in prize money. Linux kernel combined with the open Chromium browser.

As for the advertising argument, it's not so straightforward. I'm fairly sure that Apple does the same exact thing with their ads in apps. Furthermore, it's a Google computer algorithm targeting the ads -- half the time it has no clue about context. It sees a key word and shows an ad. People don't see it.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:09

61. tha.fox (Posts: 100; Member since: 30 Nov 2011)


The only account I rememebr signing up for was gmail. Maybe People that have used such a basic device for so long might not be able to realise there was only one account to sign up for? Also Last time i checked my Android is compatable with itunes windows torrents ALL audio and video formats including flash. So next time someone says Iphone is the one thats seamless I say Its the only one NOT compatable with all I need

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:23

63. JunBringer (Posts: 103; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)


I only have to login with my gmail and everything works great with every new Android I've used, so I don't know what he's referring to. I guess iOS has your facebook and twitter logins built in?

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:29

64. darkmate9 (Posts: 2; Member since: 13 Mar 2013)


F**k YOU S* I have original iPad! Talk about Fragmentation You S*.!

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:43 1

70. oister85 (Posts: 410; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)


guys do .you know what that mean. this is act of desperation from apple

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:43

71. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


I rather have no carrier crap out of the box , is that simple Apple controls the Apple ecosystem not the same can be said about Google who is pushed around by the carriers here in the US... so for me the choice is obvious

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:59

83. Zero0 (Posts: 583; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Yeah! FIGHT THE MAN! iPhone is the only device not controlled by the Illuminati establishment. Instead, it's controlled only by Apple, a multi-billion dollar corporation.

Or you could just pick a phone that's controlled by the only person worthy: YOU. Don't let ANYONE, carrier, OEM, or otherwise, control your phone. Say, the Nexus 4, or an off-contract just-about-any-Android-phone with custom ROMs.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 21:14 1

91. JunBringer (Posts: 103; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)


You make a good point. I hate that US carriers pull the BS they do on Android devices but not on iOS. Thus why I bought a Nexus 4.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:47

73. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


If Gingerbread is so ahead of iOS then why the rush to get Jelly Bean?.. if the phones supposedly have no Lag and work flawless like our iphones.. then stay in Gingerbread and see how boring that is..

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 21:16

92. JunBringer (Posts: 103; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)


Nobody is going to stay on an older software on purpose when the newer one has newer and better features regardless of how functional Gingerbread is.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:50 1

77. networkdood (Posts: 6326; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


I have 4.2.2 running very nicely on my 2019 captivate.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 20:55

80. Zero0 (Posts: 583; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


He's wrong about signing up for 9 accounts to use Android. It is probably a case of not hearing him correctly. I know from personal experience that it takes at least 99 accounts to make a single phone call on an Android device, so that's probably what he meant to say.

/s Logged into one account on my Nexus 4. What now, Apple?

Also, those free Android phones. Every iPhone is a premium, $200 on-contract item. Except those iPhones that are, you know, also free on-contract.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 21:12

88. supersammyfans (Posts: 25; Member since: 24 Nov 2012)


I don't mind he said that the Android is not that good, well basically it is true, especially on the hand of Scroogle, HTC, SONY and LG....... But what i can't bare it is he saying that SIV that launch with one year old version of Android, look even their latest iRubbish which running on their "latest" software, there still many problem with it, and they need three update to solve those problem, while we the Sammy user we get a perfect phone out of the phone and even able to get better update soon, get lost looser, your iRotten company will dead really soon.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 21:16 1

93. Hemlocke (unregistered)


Phil should have added how Google has removed all ad blocking apps from the Play Store. Where is the coverage of that?

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 23:13 1

102. Stuntman (Posts: 784; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


All those people flocking to the iPhone want their ad blocking apps. Apple wouldn't ban those from the app store.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 22:10 1

98. DarkShadow (Posts: 51; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


l sense fear in schiller

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 22:12 1

99. rawlgnd19 (Posts: 9; Member since: 08 Sep 2011)


Schiller i can see your a little afraid that someone might be losing their job if Samsung kills it with the GS4

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 22:36

100. minteke (Posts: 30; Member since: 27 Jul 2012)


The moon does not heed the barking of dogs.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 23:11 1

101. Stuntman (Posts: 784; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


This is like the ultimate compliment that you will see Apple give to a rival. You don't see Apple do this kind of trash talking before the HTC One announcement. But the day before the SGS4 is to be announce, Apple comes out guns blazing. If Apple weren't worried about Samsung's success, they wouldn't be doing this.

posted on 13 Mar 2013, 23:56

105. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Okay, that might also explain why hordes of brain dead Android trolls keep on posting their negative comments about WP8...

FEAR ;o)

posted on 14 Mar 2013, 03:32

107. rashsys (Posts: 16; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)


iOS... Android...
Ha-ha! WinPhone will overcome both!

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