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Apple did not infringe on Samsung patents says ITC judge

0. phoneArena 14 Sep 2012, 16:03 posted on

In a preliminary ruling made on Friday,an ITC judge ruled that Apple did not infringe on Samsung patents while producing products like the Apple iPhone and the Apple iPad; Samsung had filed a claim in the middle of last year saying that Apple had infringed on four of its patents...

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posted on 14 Sep 2012, 22:54

79. oister85 (Posts: 499; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)


What are you saying apple is the one trying to stop the competition in court .apple is the one who started

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 02:51 2

91. mrochester (unregistered)


Apple is the one who started what? Court cases over patents have been going on for years, long before Apple ever entered the smartphone market.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:04 1

19. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)


The judge probably has a fat "numbered" Swiss bank account.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 22:24

76. JoeBelfiore (banned) (Posts: 79; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


Smoking crack LOL

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:00 4

16. tedkord (Posts: 12314; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


The LTE patents aren't FRAND, which it may surprise you to learn, doesn't stand for Free Is Reasonable if Apple Needs it for Devices.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:05 2

20. mrochester (unregistered)


I'd be surprised if LTE patents aren't yet FRAND, although they may still be in the process of being ratified. FRAND stands for Fair, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:28 3

28. nicholassss (Posts: 368; Member since: 10 May 2012)


its "fair and reasonable" to patent a phones shape but not how it actually works?

I'm gonna have to agree, this troll is smokin something.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:40 1

35. mrochester (unregistered)


It's perfectly reasonable to patent how a phone works, I haven't said anything to the contrary.

What's not reasonable is blocking your competitors from using technology that is industry standard. Contrary to that of course is that it's perfectly reasonable to block your competitors from using things that aren't industry standard (because that leads to innovation).

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:54

42. nicholassss (Posts: 368; Member since: 10 May 2012)


I'm just saying LTE (rrently or 3g to to keep with the article) seems like less of an industry standard than a rectangle man or rubber banding on a scrolling nonsense.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:03 1

49. mrochester (unregistered)


3G and LTE are industry standards. They have to be else we'd have mobile devices and networks that were completely incompatible with each other. Nokia would have their own devices and network which in turn would be completely different and incompatible with Motorola's devices and network, etc etc.

However, making your tablet look a certain way, or having a rubber banding scrollback are not industry standards. Samsung don't need to have a rubber banding scrollback to be able to successfully make and sell products in the global market. This is why Apple have been able to sue, and win, to prevent Samsung from using this. Samsung should either have licensed this from Apple, or come up with their own way of indicating that you've reached the end of a scrollable list.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 21:02 1

74. pegasso (Posts: 279; Member since: 27 Nov 2011)


@mrochester
it's true, 3G is industry standard, but it's not free.
some companies (Qualcomm, NTT, etc) hold the patents, and every manufacturers that using 3G network must pay to them.
that's the reason why China develop its own 3G standard (TDSCDMA) to avoid paying license.
same things happen to LTE patent.. it's not free.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 02:53 1

92. mrochester (unregistered)


Of course it's not free; the patent holders are perfectly entitled to receive a fee for their work. The problem arrises when a patent holder refuses a fee and instead wants your product banned and removed from the shelves. This is the anti-competitive behaviour.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:12

51. HouTexan (Posts: 439; Member since: 08 Jan 2012)


So, you really think it's ok for Apple to sue over a damn rectangle?! That's acceptable?! Wow! And, Apple copies and steals all of the damn time. Does anyone complain? No! Because, it's competition. Instead they litigate. So, Samsung is firing back at them for being petty.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:28 1

61. mrochester (unregistered)


I don't think Apple should be able to sue over a rectangle, nor do I think that they have. What they have sued over is a rectangle that was made to look remarkably like the rectangle they made, and in Apple's eyes, lost them money as a result of Samsung piggy backing on their destinctive designs.

Do other companies sue Apple? Yes, all the time. Litigation is a perfectly normal part of conducting business. Do companies let infringements slide? Yes, I'm fairly certain they do as long as they aren't deemed to be important enough to the financial success and security of the company. Was Samsung's infringement on Apple's patents and designs a small enough deal for Apple to just let it slide? Obviously not.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 02:04

86. shuaibhere (Posts: 1986; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


I think u haven't seen lg prada....which was released a year before first iphone and had same design as iphone had....did lg sue apple....no....
How the heck can apple sue samsung for what they already copied.....

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 02:55 1

93. mrochester (unregistered)


I guess LG didn't sue because LG don't own the required patents and designs to actually do so? You have to own these things first before you're able to sue someone for using them without your permission.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:41 1

67. mrochester (unregistered)


Interestingly I have just read than 50 companies have so far declared that they hold essential patents for the LTE standard.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 23:59

83. androidrockzz (Posts: 51; Member since: 04 Feb 2012)


samsung fans i just want to know whether the scroll down menu bar is samsung's touchwiz?? or for andorid devices but what ever Apple has copied the same scroll down menu bar isn't that a copy????

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 04:42

97. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


It seems to be, but the patent for Android's drop down menu has not been approved yet. Google applied for it a few years ago.

posted on 16 Sep 2012, 23:08

117. bayusuputra (Posts: 963; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)


soooo, a real tech patent such as LTE should not be used but freaking stupid design patent should be used..

daymn, tell me where did you get that crack, bro..
I need one before i buy the iPhone 5, so I will be delusional right before i get it.. otherwise, I will regret not getting a better phone from 2011..

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:53 2

13. Quezdagreat (Posts: 428; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


Apple is winning like Charlie sheen

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:16 2

22. MartyK (Posts: 847; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Hum, this is no surprise, could you imagine the type of money that would be lost in the stock market if they actually gave Samsung a fair shot?.

Apple Stock would plummet, the money all these Judges and politics have invested in Apple would disappear...

Samsung only fair shot/ revenue is to sell to China (1 billion + people) and get Apple ban from that market.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:22 1

25. mrochester (unregistered)


What's with all the conspiracy theories? There are checks and balances in place to prevent these exact situations from happening. No, the judges, jury, foreman, janiter, canteen chef and waiting staff haven't all been bribed, it's simply that Apple didn't violate any of Samsung's patents. Samsung did got a fair shot, they simply lost.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:28 3

27. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


mate this is the one of the only times i'll say there are back handers and money been passed round so that apple come out squeeky clean.

apple want complete control, there like a child , if there told no or someone has something better then them they throw a tantrum and sue

basically Apple, if you cant keep up and compete well go quietly into the pages of history and let others raise the tech bar

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:52 1

41. mrochester (unregistered)


I'm sorry but this is just pure fantasy. You're simply inventing stories as a means to vilify Apple and vindicate Samsung, for whatever reason you feel it necessary to do so.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 23:40 1

82. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


These guys are crazy to honestly believe that money being passed around and bribing is happening. Why is it that Apple didn't win all of their suits? Oh! It was because it would be way too obvious that they were cheating the system, so they had to pretend to lose some. Got it!

Apple won, Samsung lost. Get over it. You guys are the biggest sore losers that I have ever seen in my life.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:37

33. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)


did got??? lol

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:37 2

34. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)


The downfall of Apple is inevitable. They are on the same path Rim was on about 5 years ago...

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:07 1

50. mrochester (unregistered)


It's much the same as the downfall of Samsung is inevitable. The length or your success and how fast you fall are the interesting points. I wonder out of Samsung and Apple who will fall first? Neither show any sign of slowing down just now, that's for sure, so I think it's a bit too early to make any predictions!

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:13

52. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


well seeing as apple are crapping on every other company i can make an educated guess.

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