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Apple did not infringe on Samsung patents says ITC judge

0. phoneArena 14 Sep 2012, 16:03 posted on

In a preliminary ruling made on Friday,an ITC judge ruled that Apple did not infringe on Samsung patents while producing products like the Apple iPhone and the Apple iPad; Samsung had filed a claim in the middle of last year saying that Apple had infringed on four of its patents...

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posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:40 1

35. mrochester (unregistered)


It's perfectly reasonable to patent how a phone works, I haven't said anything to the contrary.

What's not reasonable is blocking your competitors from using technology that is industry standard. Contrary to that of course is that it's perfectly reasonable to block your competitors from using things that aren't industry standard (because that leads to innovation).

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:40 2

36. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


mate most of what you have said its biased, your trying to justify it by saying what if samsung goes after nokia HTC etc yet samsung have expressed no intention, they are only going for Apple

and why? because apple can get a win over complete crap patents then surely samsung can take them down with a real case LTE is more important then rounded corners

besides nokia HTC and others all have LTE patents.....Apple well they tried to buy as many as they could because they knew they were infringing on samsungs patients but with apple they dont care they think there above everyone else and went ahead with putting LTE in there *cough* new phone.

Its apple vs samsung and hopefully HTC vs samsung

is samsung had any intention of stopping others wouldn't they have done so already

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:41 2

37. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


aaaa cuz they are not like your dirty company apple? perhaps? dude apple is gonna get what they deserve period

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:42 2

38. mrochester (unregistered)


I'd be careful what you wish for...

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:45 2

39. mrochester (unregistered)


Samsung may have come to a licensing agreement with other companies, we simply do not know.

But give Samsung the ability to block competition from using LTE instead of requiring them to license it and you end up with a very anti-competitive situation.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:49 1

40. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


ooo but its ok for apple to be "power hungry" right? you people are jus a blind as they come.....but what you fail to realize is when samsung made the threat to sue apple for the LTE they did so to shut apple the f**k up! not so they can turn around be like the very greedy and power hungry company they are fighting against!

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:54

42. nicholassss (Posts: 368; Member since: 10 May 2012)


I'm just saying LTE (rrently or 3g to to keep with the article) seems like less of an industry standard than a rectangle man or rubber banding on a scrolling nonsense.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:55 2

43. mrochester (unregistered)


That's not really a coherant response to what I posted. Will Apple get what they deserve? I'm sure there's probably something out there that Apple have infringed upon that'll cost them big bucks. Will Samsung get what they deserve? Well, they sort of already have with the $1billion fine levied against them, but they are also under invetigation for abusing FRAND patents too, so there's probably more to come.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:56 2

44. mrochester (unregistered)


Also a company doesn't have to be 'power hungry' to take out their competitors; they simply have to operate in a capitalist market (which they do).

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:01 2

47. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


not coherant to what you believe of course because what you wanna see happen is that greedy company rule the world and God forbid if apple losses a case to samsung right? you think that everyone has to be like apple if they wanna be on top well thats where you are wrong dude when apple gets what they deserve it will be a glorious day not a day for another dictator to rise and be like the very comapany that is makin all the decisions for you! but a day for true competitors and true comapanys to compete not RULE!

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:57 1

45. Aeires (unregistered)


Google, that's what. They have a strong partnership that Samsung would be fools to damage.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:58 2

46. mrochester (unregistered)


Personally I don't think Apple are power hungry. They just don't want Samsung et al copying their s**t, so they are sueing them for doing so. That's not the definition of power hungry, that's simply Apple saying go make you're own bloody stuff!

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:03 1

48. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


YOU ARE BLIND! .........nuff said

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:03 1

49. mrochester (unregistered)


3G and LTE are industry standards. They have to be else we'd have mobile devices and networks that were completely incompatible with each other. Nokia would have their own devices and network which in turn would be completely different and incompatible with Motorola's devices and network, etc etc.

However, making your tablet look a certain way, or having a rubber banding scrollback are not industry standards. Samsung don't need to have a rubber banding scrollback to be able to successfully make and sell products in the global market. This is why Apple have been able to sue, and win, to prevent Samsung from using this. Samsung should either have licensed this from Apple, or come up with their own way of indicating that you've reached the end of a scrollable list.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:12

51. HouTexan (Posts: 439; Member since: 08 Jan 2012)


So, you really think it's ok for Apple to sue over a damn rectangle?! That's acceptable?! Wow! And, Apple copies and steals all of the damn time. Does anyone complain? No! Because, it's competition. Instead they litigate. So, Samsung is firing back at them for being petty.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:15 2

53. mrochester (unregistered)


These are the rantings of a crazed lunatic!

If Apple has done something wrong, they should be fairly and justly punished for it, much like if Apple hasn't done something wrong, they should be vindicated.

The exact same sentiment is true for Samsung, and every other company.

The 'glorious day' you are talking about are the days when law breakers are found guilty and punished for their misdemeanors.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:19 1

54. willard12 (Posts: 1820; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


LTE is not a FRAND or essential patent. You went without LTE for 6 years, now, since SEP 12, 2012, it is a standard? I guess a rectangle with rounded corners isn't a standard though? Samsungs competitors are the companies suing them. It looks like all companies only have 1 competitor and Apple has 6.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:20 2

55. mrochester (unregistered)


I actually think that it's only me and Ralston1983 who can actually see in here. All I'm getting in here is a feeling that even when not guilty of infrigement, Apple should still be punished in some way, just because.

I haven't yet figured out why Samsung should be able to run roughshod over Apple with impunity.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:20 2

56. joey_sfb (Posts: 6253; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


mrochester, you have things backwards, or whatever that rock your boat.

Neither will benefit from having a duel to the death in a pool of sharks.

We will see retribution on apple this life time.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:25 1

57. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


lier.......

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:27 3

59. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


mate your the only one with deluded views, you try to mask your biased pro apple views but it shines straight through

where was you when Samsung were getting sued over rounded corners? ohh thats right because it was apple they were right to do so

Apple are running scared suing, and finally samsung arent standing up and showing them they cant just walk over company's and expect to come out clean

if every company took a leaf out of apple's book, we would see a complete halt in tech innovation and development...companys would patent every little thing they could and spend more time in court then designing there products. plus with apples way company's would only release a phone once every 2 years with little spec bumps nothing new though. then 1 year later release another spec bump, basically the same phone but maybe abit faster etc.

example if nokia used apple's way of working the nokia n8 would have been replaced with a phone that looks the same, might have abit more memory and maybe a tweaked camera for 13 megapixel......imagine how long it would take to get to the nokia 808...years but no nokia innovate and bring there A game ...wheres apple's A game?

rant over

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:28 1

61. mrochester (unregistered)


I don't think Apple should be able to sue over a rectangle, nor do I think that they have. What they have sued over is a rectangle that was made to look remarkably like the rectangle they made, and in Apple's eyes, lost them money as a result of Samsung piggy backing on their destinctive designs.

Do other companies sue Apple? Yes, all the time. Litigation is a perfectly normal part of conducting business. Do companies let infringements slide? Yes, I'm fairly certain they do as long as they aren't deemed to be important enough to the financial success and security of the company. Was Samsung's infringement on Apple's patents and designs a small enough deal for Apple to just let it slide? Obviously not.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:29 2

62. mrochester (unregistered)


Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................... LOL

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:33 2

63. mrochester (unregistered)


I think Apple were perfectly right to sue Samsung for their violations just as much as I think Samsung are perfectly right to sue Apple for whatever Samsung thinks Apple have infringed. I'm sorry, but I can't help if the verdict comes out in Apple's favour just as much as I can't help if the verdict comes the other way.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:37 2

65. mrochester (unregistered)


I thought LTE had been ratified as the next generation wireless technology, thus sealing the associated patents as FRAND? LTE has only become the standard to which everyone will work precisely because the companies who hold the associated patents have entered them into the pool on a FRAND basis.

One of the key conditions for a particular technology to become a standard is that the respective parts of it are licensed on a fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory basis. Failure to declare standard essential patents is a form of patent abuse.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:40 3

66. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


''I think Apple were perfectly right to sue Samsung for their violations just as much as I think Samsung are perfectly right to sue Apple for whatever Samsung thinks Apple have infringed''

love how you said what ''samsung think apple have infringed''

but with apple you put '' Apple were perfectly right to sue Samsung for their violations''

so its what samsung thinks , but with apple its fact if they say samsung are in violation.

mate your so apple biased its unbelievable. face facts apple used LTE in the iphone knowing samsung would sue, they then went mad buying LTE patents getting ready for the case....you wouldnt go out buying patents if you were in the right and had nothing to worry about

the verdicts are a joke,but if apple keeps getting there way give it 4 years and lets hear you all complain that tech hasnt evolved or leaped forward ..all thanks to Apples stranglehold and closet of patents(most for other peoples work)

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:41 1

67. mrochester (unregistered)


Interestingly I have just read than 50 companies have so far declared that they hold essential patents for the LTE standard.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 22:24

76. JoeBelfiore (banned) (Posts: 79; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


Smoking crack LOL

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 21:02 1

74. pegasso (Posts: 285; Member since: 27 Nov 2011)


@mrochester
it's true, 3G is industry standard, but it's not free.
some companies (Qualcomm, NTT, etc) hold the patents, and every manufacturers that using 3G network must pay to them.
that's the reason why China develop its own 3G standard (TDSCDMA) to avoid paying license.
same things happen to LTE patent.. it's not free.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 22:35 2

77. BREvenson (Posts: 240; Member since: 17 May 2012)


And Apple's anti-competitive behavior is okay? How is what Apple has done over the past two years any better than what Samsung is trying to do? They are simply fighting fire with fire; if Apple wants it all to boil down to nothing but litigation, Samsung can play that game, too.

Personally, I don't see the effect of these patent wars; no matter who sues for what, I think there will continue to be a good selection of popular products for consumers to choose from that will once again amaze and excite them: the Galaxy SIII and the iPhone 5 are good examples. I don't care for the iPhone, but there is no denying its overall impact, no matter how it got to this point.

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