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Apple did not infringe on Samsung patents says ITC judge

0. phoneArena 14 Sep 2012, 16:03 posted on

In a preliminary ruling made on Friday,an ITC judge ruled that Apple did not infringe on Samsung patents while producing products like the Apple iPhone and the Apple iPad; Samsung had filed a claim in the middle of last year saying that Apple had infringed on four of its patents...

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posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:07 26

1. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

even the judges are blind...... :(

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:09 43

2. messiah (Posts: 438; Member since: 19 Feb 2010)

And paid for

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 17:33 2

112. stealthd (unregistered)

Every judge is blind/corrupt/etc and only fanboys know the truth!

Or maybe it's that Samsung copied the iPhone, and when Apple sued they retaliated by suing over patents they knew Apple didn't infringe.

Enjoy your denial. It must be fun raging against reality.

posted on 16 Sep 2012, 11:39 1

116. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

funny thing is...............reality is lying to you ........swallow that pill.....LOL

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:11 40

3. mas11 (Posts: 1034; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)

Let's hope the Lte patents will end this nonsense

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:22 10

4. mrochester (unregistered)

Exactly. Samsung need to be stopped from abusing standards essential patents. Hopefully the LTE patent fiasco they are promising to embark on will be the straw that breaks the camels back and that regulatory bodies will come down hard on them for anti-competitive practices.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:24 34

5. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

@,rochester what are you smoking?

i hope samsung and HTC nail apple hard , time for them to see they aint bulletproof

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:29 6

6. mrochester (unregistered)

Huh? Samsung is the company who are weilding standards essential patents in an attempt to block competition! That's an incredibly dangerous and anti-competitive move as it would effectively give Samsung the ability to block ALL competition from the market. If you give Samsung the green light to block Apple from using LTE you also give Samsung the green light to block everyone else from using LTE, thus eliminating all competition.

Luckily, we have anti-competitive legislation in place to prevent exactly this sort of nonsense. Samsung need to be stopped now before it goes too far.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:31 10

7. mas11 (Posts: 1034; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:33 21

8. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

mate you must be on something or so far up apple's ass your too blind to see reality

Apple are the only ones been anti competitive and all because they know they cant compete with the latest phones. apple are a patent hoarder, patenting anything they can most of which ain't there's

again i hope apple get ripped to pieces and Samsung and HTC come out on top.

give apple a taste of there own medicine

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:36 12

9. HouTexan (Posts: 445; Member since: 08 Jan 2012)

Oh, but it's ok for Apple to sue over bull$h!t? Yeah, ok. You've lost it.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:39 11

10. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 493; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)

Don't feed the troll.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:43 8

11. mrochester (unregistered)

I think you may want to think about this again.

Is it preferable to have products banned and removed from sale due to:

a) violating patents and designs that can be worked around


b) violating patents and designs that can't be worked around because they are the industry standard.

Allow Samsung to block manufacturers from releasing LTE devices and you have a situation where Samsung controls the entire LTE market. This is incredibly anti-competitive, although I seriously doubt we'd ever get to a situation like that since we have measures in place to stop Samsung from doing just that. But Samsung do appear to be trying their best to do just that. And for some bizarre reason you are cheering them on :/

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:48 15

12. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


im sorry but i could start talking about unicorns that fly and it would make more sense then your crap

maybe you shouldnt be allowed on a computer unsupervised

Samsung+HTC use LTE slap and slap apple back to earth with all the mortals,

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:59 6

14. mrochester (unregistered)

I think it's fairly easy to understand. I'm still quite bemused why you'd be cheering on such anti-competitive behaviour though. Personally I don't want a situation where only Samsung can make LTE devices.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:02 1

17. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

ummmm i dont think the rest of the android community is samsungs concern........apple is dood

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:00 4

15. CamaroSS (Posts: 173; Member since: 24 Jul 2012)

Haha - you got it right, mate. Samsung's patents are as crappy as Apple's rounded rectangle patent. Those won't hold in any court. 3G/LTE core patents are owned by Qualcomm, Ericsson and Nokia because they make network equipments that are the real deals. Fanboys will tell you Samsung has this many LTE/3G patents. But those are just crappy because Samsung onlly makes phones which are mere clients of comm. network. Those are protocol related which they aren't supposed to patent in the first place. Same thing happened to the crappy 3G patent they were trying to push against Apple. They simply proposed a change to 3G protocol without telling anyone that they've already filed for a patent. This is utter dishonesty and no court will acknowledge this kind of patents.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:00 4

16. tedkord (Posts: 13235; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

The LTE patents aren't FRAND, which it may surprise you to learn, doesn't stand for Free Is Reasonable if Apple Needs it for Devices.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:02 6

18. dejastar (Posts: 13; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)

Apple just sued samsung for using rounded corners!! I mean hell, if you know another way to make a rectangle I'd love to hear it. But in the mean time please cut the sh*t about "industry standards".

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:04 1

19. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)

The judge probably has a fat "numbered" Swiss bank account.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:05 2

20. mrochester (unregistered)

I'd be surprised if LTE patents aren't yet FRAND, although they may still be in the process of being ratified. FRAND stands for Fair, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:12 8

21. mrochester (unregistered)

I think the vast majority of what Samsung were sued for could either be worked around by innovating or used in their devices if they paid Apple a license fee.

Contrary to that, Apple have no choice but to pay to license LTE based patents; it's not like Apple could work around Samsung's LTE patents, because then it'd no longer be LTE! This is why Samsung has to be made to allow Apple to license this technology as opposed to preventing them from using it. If Samsung were able to prevent Apple from using LTE, they'd also be able to prevent Motorola, HTC, Nokia, etc etc. But luckily this can't happen, especially in the EU where a very dim view (and usually massive fines) are imposed on companies that attempt this nonsense.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:17 3

23. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

yes they would be able to prevent them as well......but does that mean they will? NOOO you idiot cuz android isnt samsungs concern APPLE IS!!

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:18 2

24. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

basically because this will effect apple badly it cant happen. i hope it happens more then anything it'll be the best news in the history of the mobile world

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:26 1

26. Ralston1983 (Posts: 70; Member since: 03 Feb 2011)

I'm not taking sides here, but I do get where mrochester is coming from. He's basically saying that if Samsung would have won the case to stop Apple from using LTE, what's to stop them from going power hungry and slapping HTC LG and Moto with the same suit?

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:28 3

28. nicholassss (Posts: 368; Member since: 10 May 2012)

its "fair and reasonable" to patent a phones shape but not how it actually works?

I'm gonna have to agree, this troll is smokin something.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:32 2

29. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

the fact they aint apple , so they wont go power mad

besides HTC have there own LTE patents as they were going to take Apple to court too

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:33 6

30. mrochester (unregistered)

Motorola, HTC, etc etc, are all Samsung's competitors. If you set the precedent that Samsung can ban one of it's competitors from using standards essetial patents, what on earth makes you think they wouldn't go after everyone else too? I think you're living in a very idealistic world if you think Samsung, HTC, Nokia, Motorola etc are all the very best of friends who aren't fighting tooth and nail against one another.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:34 3

31. mrochester (unregistered)

I think that's an incredibly naive view.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 17:36 3

32. mrochester (unregistered)

For some reason many people here are happy to implicity trust that Samsung won't take any and every opportunity they possibly can to further themselves against the competition, including having said competitors products removed from the shelves.

Call me a pessimist but I simply do not trust ANY company not to further their own lot in whatever way they possible can; this is a capitalist ecomony after all.

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