Apple did not infringe on Samsung patents says ITC judge
0. phoneArena 14 Sep 2012, 16:03 posted on
In a preliminary ruling made on Friday,an ITC judge ruled that Apple did not infringe on Samsung patents while producing products like the Apple iPhone and the Apple iPad; Samsung had filed a claim in the middle of last year saying that Apple had infringed on four of its patents...
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1. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
even the judges are blind...... :(
112. stealthd (unregistered)
Every judge is blind/corrupt/etc and only fanboys know the truth!
Or maybe it's that Samsung copied the iPhone, and when Apple sued they retaliated by suing over patents they knew Apple didn't infringe.
Enjoy your denial. It must be fun raging against reality.
116. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
funny thing is...............reality is lying to you ........swallow that pill.....LOL
3. mas11 (Posts: 1034; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
Let's hope the Lte patents will end this nonsense
4. mrochester (unregistered)
Exactly. Samsung need to be stopped from abusing standards essential patents. Hopefully the LTE patent fiasco they are promising to embark on will be the straw that breaks the camels back and that regulatory bodies will come down hard on them for anti-competitive practices.
5. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
@,rochester what are you smoking?
i hope samsung and HTC nail apple hard , time for them to see they aint bulletproof
6. mrochester (unregistered)
Huh? Samsung is the company who are weilding standards essential patents in an attempt to block competition! That's an incredibly dangerous and anti-competitive move as it would effectively give Samsung the ability to block ALL competition from the market. If you give Samsung the green light to block Apple from using LTE you also give Samsung the green light to block everyone else from using LTE, thus eliminating all competition.
Luckily, we have anti-competitive legislation in place to prevent exactly this sort of nonsense. Samsung need to be stopped now before it goes too far.
7. mas11 (Posts: 1034; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
8. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
mate you must be on something or so far up apple's ass your too blind to see reality
Apple are the only ones been anti competitive and all because they know they cant compete with the latest phones. apple are a patent hoarder, patenting anything they can most of which ain't there's
again i hope apple get ripped to pieces and Samsung and HTC come out on top.
give apple a taste of there own medicine
11. mrochester (unregistered)
I think you may want to think about this again.
Is it preferable to have products banned and removed from sale due to:
a) violating patents and designs that can be worked around
b) violating patents and designs that can't be worked around because they are the industry standard.
Allow Samsung to block manufacturers from releasing LTE devices and you have a situation where Samsung controls the entire LTE market. This is incredibly anti-competitive, although I seriously doubt we'd ever get to a situation like that since we have measures in place to stop Samsung from doing just that. But Samsung do appear to be trying their best to do just that. And for some bizarre reason you are cheering them on :/
12. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
im sorry but i could start talking about unicorns that fly and it would make more sense then your crap
maybe you shouldnt be allowed on a computer unsupervised
Samsung+HTC use LTE slap and slap apple back to earth with all the mortals,
14. mrochester (unregistered)
I think it's fairly easy to understand. I'm still quite bemused why you'd be cheering on such anti-competitive behaviour though. Personally I don't want a situation where only Samsung can make LTE devices.
77. BREvenson (Posts: 240; Member since: 17 May 2012)
And Apple's anti-competitive behavior is okay? How is what Apple has done over the past two years any better than what Samsung is trying to do? They are simply fighting fire with fire; if Apple wants it all to boil down to nothing but litigation, Samsung can play that game, too.
Personally, I don't see the effect of these patent wars; no matter who sues for what, I think there will continue to be a good selection of popular products for consumers to choose from that will once again amaze and excite them: the Galaxy SIII and the iPhone 5 are good examples. I don't care for the iPhone, but there is no denying its overall impact, no matter how it got to this point.
88. mrochester (unregistered)
I don't think Apple have behaved in an anti-competitive way. Sueing a company and having it's products blocked and banned over designs and ideas they could work around or pay to license isn't anti-competitive. Sueing a company and having it's products blocked and banned over designs and ideas that can't be worked around and can only be licensed is anti-competitive.
96. rsxl5 (Posts: 65; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
I'm sorry but it's the Apple that started the war...
If things such as 'swipe-to-unlock' or 'rounded corners' are to be said to be innovative and protected in favor of Apple ; REAL innovative things SHALL be protected as well in favor of patent holder (in that case SAMSUNG).
I do not see Samsung threatening to sue other companies = they do coexist on a similar technological level and do understand that coexistence not being bully is a key.
Samsung is only replying to a bully Cupertino competitor that looks like apart of great marketing skills to convince people to their product is missing a lot.
102. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)
Dont even try to go reasonable here. the hate for apple runs deeper tha the Pacific and Atlantic combined. I am not the biggest or even slightly big iPhone fan but I see what you are saying. You have already been dubbed a troll you are climbing Kilamangaro with no equipment.
9. HouTexan (Posts: 419; Member since: 08 Jan 2012)
Oh, but it's ok for Apple to sue over bull$h!t? Yeah, ok. You've lost it.
15. CamaroSS (Posts: 173; Member since: 24 Jul 2012)
Haha - you got it right, mate. Samsung's patents are as crappy as Apple's rounded rectangle patent. Those won't hold in any court. 3G/LTE core patents are owned by Qualcomm, Ericsson and Nokia because they make network equipments that are the real deals. Fanboys will tell you Samsung has this many LTE/3G patents. But those are just crappy because Samsung onlly makes phones which are mere clients of comm. network. Those are protocol related which they aren't supposed to patent in the first place. Same thing happened to the crappy 3G patent they were trying to push against Apple. They simply proposed a change to 3G protocol without telling anyone that they've already filed for a patent. This is utter dishonesty and no court will acknowledge this kind of patents.
17. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
ummmm i dont think the rest of the android community is samsungs concern........apple is dood
18. dejastar (Posts: 12; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)
Apple just sued samsung for using rounded corners!! I mean hell, if you know another way to make a rectangle I'd love to hear it. But in the mean time please cut the sh*t about "industry standards".
21. mrochester (unregistered)
I think the vast majority of what Samsung were sued for could either be worked around by innovating or used in their devices if they paid Apple a license fee.
Contrary to that, Apple have no choice but to pay to license LTE based patents; it's not like Apple could work around Samsung's LTE patents, because then it'd no longer be LTE! This is why Samsung has to be made to allow Apple to license this technology as opposed to preventing them from using it. If Samsung were able to prevent Apple from using LTE, they'd also be able to prevent Motorola, HTC, Nokia, etc etc. But luckily this can't happen, especially in the EU where a very dim view (and usually massive fines) are imposed on companies that attempt this nonsense.
23. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
yes they would be able to prevent them as well......but does that mean they will? NOOO you idiot cuz android isnt samsungs concern APPLE IS!!
30. mrochester (unregistered)
Motorola, HTC, etc etc, are all Samsung's competitors. If you set the precedent that Samsung can ban one of it's competitors from using standards essetial patents, what on earth makes you think they wouldn't go after everyone else too? I think you're living in a very idealistic world if you think Samsung, HTC, Nokia, Motorola etc are all the very best of friends who aren't fighting tooth and nail against one another.
37. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
aaaa cuz they are not like your dirty company apple? perhaps? dude apple is gonna get what they deserve period
43. mrochester (unregistered)
That's not really a coherant response to what I posted. Will Apple get what they deserve? I'm sure there's probably something out there that Apple have infringed upon that'll cost them big bucks. Will Samsung get what they deserve? Well, they sort of already have with the $1billion fine levied against them, but they are also under invetigation for abusing FRAND patents too, so there's probably more to come.
47. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
not coherant to what you believe of course because what you wanna see happen is that greedy company rule the world and God forbid if apple losses a case to samsung right? you think that everyone has to be like apple if they wanna be on top well thats where you are wrong dude when apple gets what they deserve it will be a glorious day not a day for another dictator to rise and be like the very comapany that is makin all the decisions for you! but a day for true competitors and true comapanys to compete not RULE!
53. mrochester (unregistered)
These are the rantings of a crazed lunatic!
If Apple has done something wrong, they should be fairly and justly punished for it, much like if Apple hasn't done something wrong, they should be vindicated.
The exact same sentiment is true for Samsung, and every other company.
The 'glorious day' you are talking about are the days when law breakers are found guilty and punished for their misdemeanors.
57. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
62. mrochester (unregistered)
59. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
mate your the only one with deluded views, you try to mask your biased pro apple views but it shines straight through
where was you when Samsung were getting sued over rounded corners? ohh thats right because it was apple they were right to do so
Apple are running scared suing, and finally samsung arent standing up and showing them they cant just walk over company's and expect to come out clean
if every company took a leaf out of apple's book, we would see a complete halt in tech innovation and development...companys would patent every little thing they could and spend more time in court then designing there products. plus with apples way company's would only release a phone once every 2 years with little spec bumps nothing new though. then 1 year later release another spec bump, basically the same phone but maybe abit faster etc.
example if nokia used apple's way of working the nokia n8 would have been replaced with a phone that looks the same, might have abit more memory and maybe a tweaked camera for 13 megapixel......imagine how long it would take to get to the nokia 808...years but no nokia innovate and bring there A game ...wheres apple's A game?
63. mrochester (unregistered)
I think Apple were perfectly right to sue Samsung for their violations just as much as I think Samsung are perfectly right to sue Apple for whatever Samsung thinks Apple have infringed. I'm sorry, but I can't help if the verdict comes out in Apple's favour just as much as I can't help if the verdict comes the other way.
66. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
''I think Apple were perfectly right to sue Samsung for their violations just as much as I think Samsung are perfectly right to sue Apple for whatever Samsung thinks Apple have infringed''
love how you said what ''samsung think apple have infringed''
but with apple you put '' Apple were perfectly right to sue Samsung for their violations''
so its what samsung thinks , but with apple its fact if they say samsung are in violation.
mate your so apple biased its unbelievable. face facts apple used LTE in the iphone knowing samsung would sue, they then went mad buying LTE patents getting ready for the case....you wouldnt go out buying patents if you were in the right and had nothing to worry about
the verdicts are a joke,but if apple keeps getting there way give it 4 years and lets hear you all complain that tech hasnt evolved or leaped forward ..all thanks to Apples stranglehold and closet of patents(most for other peoples work)
89. mrochester (unregistered)
Well that's because Samsung's violations have already been ruled upon and they were found guilty... Samsung's case over LTE hasn't yet been seen so we don't yet know whether Apple have infringed upon anything or not.
105. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)
Yeah like gogle bought motorola because google made all those patents huh. Come off it. Apple versus Android. MS is getting paid off of damn near every Android handst made. Apple had a patent that would not stop Sammy from making phones but Sammy is trying to shut Apple down utterly their is a difference. Apples previous ban on Sammy and HTC didnt stop me from getting my phone just had a software change. this will or would be totally different.
54. willard12 (Posts: 1417; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
LTE is not a FRAND or essential patent. You went without LTE for 6 years, now, since SEP 12, 2012, it is a standard? I guess a rectangle with rounded corners isn't a standard though? Samsungs competitors are the companies suing them. It looks like all companies only have 1 competitor and Apple has 6.
65. mrochester (unregistered)
I thought LTE had been ratified as the next generation wireless technology, thus sealing the associated patents as FRAND? LTE has only become the standard to which everyone will work precisely because the companies who hold the associated patents have entered them into the pool on a FRAND basis.
One of the key conditions for a particular technology to become a standard is that the respective parts of it are licensed on a fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory basis. Failure to declare standard essential patents is a form of patent abuse.
98. BlacRaZredge (Posts: 36; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
in fact sammy, htc, nokia, motorola, rim, and whoever else there is, is all teamed up against apple. apple has made this market near impossible for others to make products that are inovative without infringing on one of apples bogas patents. i wish there wasnt patents on general things, but you can only patent a product as a whole. things like chipsets and other things of that nature should have patents or rights to since everyone uses them collectively. apple should be considered a monopoly and broken up like microsoft.
106. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)
MS is not broken up and is not a monoply and MS has stock in Apple also.
107. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)
And if you break them up then chop up Google/Motorola also
103. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)
Doesnt matter if you hit Apple for LTE it will resonate to all. and it wont stand. If it does watch the ripple and see how happy you are.
24. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
basically because this will effect apple badly it cant happen. i hope it happens more then anything it'll be the best news in the history of the mobile world
38. mrochester (unregistered)
I'd be careful what you wish for...
56. joey_sfb (Posts: 4999; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
mrochester, you have things backwards, or whatever that rock your boat.
Neither will benefit from having a duel to the death in a pool of sharks.
We will see retribution on apple this life time.
26. Ralston1983 (Posts: 70; Member since: 03 Feb 2011)
I'm not taking sides here, but I do get where mrochester is coming from. He's basically saying that if Samsung would have won the case to stop Apple from using LTE, what's to stop them from going power hungry and slapping HTC LG and Moto with the same suit?
29. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
the fact they aint apple , so they wont go power mad
besides HTC have there own LTE patents as they were going to take Apple to court too
31. mrochester (unregistered)
I think that's an incredibly naive view.
36. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
mate most of what you have said its biased, your trying to justify it by saying what if samsung goes after nokia HTC etc yet samsung have expressed no intention, they are only going for Apple
and why? because apple can get a win over complete crap patents then surely samsung can take them down with a real case LTE is more important then rounded corners
besides nokia HTC and others all have LTE patents.....Apple well they tried to buy as many as they could because they knew they were infringing on samsungs patients but with apple they dont care they think there above everyone else and went ahead with putting LTE in there *cough* new phone.
Its apple vs samsung and hopefully HTC vs samsung
is samsung had any intention of stopping others wouldn't they have done so already
39. mrochester (unregistered)
Samsung may have come to a licensing agreement with other companies, we simply do not know.
But give Samsung the ability to block competition from using LTE instead of requiring them to license it and you end up with a very anti-competitive situation.
109. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)
What you think Sammy and HTC have these angelic halo's over their heads. Get real
32. mrochester (unregistered)
For some reason many people here are happy to implicity trust that Samsung won't take any and every opportunity they possibly can to further themselves against the competition, including having said competitors products removed from the shelves.
Call me a pessimist but I simply do not trust ANY company not to further their own lot in whatever way they possible can; this is a capitalist ecomony after all.
85. shuaibhere (Posts: 1973; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Don't try to act like a neutral guy.......
Samsung has many essential patents for 3g and more....no but they din sue any one......now they are goin to sue apple to tech them a lesson.......
Lets forget smartphone what about tablets???? Can u make a triangular tablet or something else than a rectangle........
90. mrochester (unregistered)
There's nothing inherently wrong with using someone elses patents as long as you've a) got permission and b) paid a license fee (assuming the company that holds the patents want to license them to you). Maybe Samsung aren't sueing other companies because they are all paying a license fee?
I'd rather leave it up to Samsung's designers to come up with a tablet that was suitably different.
40. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
ooo but its ok for apple to be "power hungry" right? you people are jus a blind as they come.....but what you fail to realize is when samsung made the threat to sue apple for the LTE they did so to shut apple the f**k up! not so they can turn around be like the very greedy and power hungry company they are fighting against!
46. mrochester (unregistered)
Personally I don't think Apple are power hungry. They just don't want Samsung et al copying their s**t, so they are sueing them for doing so. That's not the definition of power hungry, that's simply Apple saying go make you're own bloody stuff!
44. mrochester (unregistered)
Also a company doesn't have to be 'power hungry' to take out their competitors; they simply have to operate in a capitalist market (which they do).
48. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
YOU ARE BLIND! .........nuff said
55. mrochester (unregistered)
I actually think that it's only me and Ralston1983 who can actually see in here. All I'm getting in here is a feeling that even when not guilty of infrigement, Apple should still be punished in some way, just because.
I haven't yet figured out why Samsung should be able to run roughshod over Apple with impunity.
45. Aeires (unregistered)
Google, that's what. They have a strong partnership that Samsung would be fools to damage.