Apple counterstrikes with a 2005 "Purple" phone prototype, moves to dismiss the Sony-Jony design as evidence
0. phoneArena 30 Jul 2012, 02:14 posted on
Cupertino is counteracting with motion in support of dismissing the Sony-Jony prototype as evidence, chiefly based on the fact that Apple already had a design prototype, called "Purple", way back in August 2005, whereas Nishibory's work from March 2006 was portrayed as simply an "enjoyable side project"...
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1. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple has this in the bag. All the evidence is coming out and the guilty party is clear ( Samsung)
3. wendygarett (unregistered)
I'm sorry to say this taco... From the way it looks I say 4 of the above looks identical... So you cant say its guilty...
32. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
wendy, if you really believe all 4 devices look identical, then you should make an appointment with your eye-doctor.
35. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
other than button placement on the sony original design, those are extremely identical. maybe you iNuts should take off your fruit glasses and have a look-see. hmm?
I've always wondered why you are such a fanboy ardent. You dont even have an iphone. You have a cheap POS on a cheap prepaid carrier. Do you daydream about the day you get to own an iphone? What is it that keeps you going?
47. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> other than button placement on the sony original design, those are extremely identical.
remix, do you know why you are the resident village idiot of PA? If there is a difference, then the two items are not identical, they are similar.
Identical means "similar or alike in every way" (soure:http://dictionary.reference.co
In English, identical means the items are clones of each other -- the Nishibori prototype is "SIMILAR" but not "IDENTICAL" to the first two prototypes.
remix, I am not responsible if you have a sixth-grade understanding of English.
50. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
aww.. da poor wittle guy doesnt like being called out eh? aww.
"other than" ; with exception to/ not including.
"other than button placement on the sony original design, those are extremely identical"
or "with exception to the button placement on the sony original design, those are extremely similar or alike in every way".
Id say my original statement fits ,and you sir are the RVI you keep talking about.
51. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Not only are you the undisputed resident village idiot on PA, you are also a bloviator and a SORE LOSER!!
If you can't see that Shin Nishibori's prototype has a sizeable dial on the upper right-hand side, than you are like wendygarret in that both of you guys need to have your eyes examined. The Nishibori design is not symmetrical and this is obvious and self-evident.
"other than button placement on the sony original design, those are extremely identical."
If you missed the dial-like feature the first time and you also missed it the second time, then you nearly blind as a bat.
Also, it wasn't a Sony "design" so learn to use English correctly like the rest of us.
Please stop being a sore loser -- it's annoying.
4. SonyFTW2020 (Posts: 305; Member since: 03 May 2012)
touche apple! but not so fast....not so fast.....he who laughs last...laughs last
8. ilia1986 (unregistered)
If Apple wins.. what's in it for you?
Will Android become unprofitable? No.
Will Samsung's Android products become unprofitable? No.
Will Android be forced to go a major redesign in order not to infringe on Apple patents? No.
Will all Android users suddenly die from heart attack and Google's HQ will be demolished in a nuclear blast? No.
Android is - and will continue to be the best, dominant, most widely used, free open source mobile operating system on the planet - and nothing - not even Apple with all it's billions can stop this.
9. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
What's in it for you if android does well?
***waits for long dramatic drawn out response
12. tedkord (Posts: 5246; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Much better devices, faster tech advances, and lower prices.
17. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
And for that you should be thanking Apple as well for pushing smartphones to a whole new level.
20. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5950; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
You should be thanking Android for pushing Apple to compete. If Android weren't around, the notification function of iOS would still consist of a beep when an e-mail was received.
27. pellegrini (Posts: 83; Member since: 14 Jun 2012)
I remember the day that I saw for the first time an Iphone, it was the IPhone 3G. I was very impressive with the fancy UI, but then I realized that it didn't have multi-tasking! I was like, really? Why people call this a smart phone if it doesn't have multi-tasking? They should call fancy phone.
You may ask why it was important to me, just because I had a Nokia E63 that already supported multi-tasking.
Apple did innovated at the begging, but now days it only tries to follow the trend.
Just some facts to prove my point.
It doesn't have the best camera, Nokia has.
It doesn't have the longest battery file, Motorola has.
it doesn't have the fastest phone, I guess Samsung has.
it doesn't have the best OS, I will no start a fight saying who has, but I'm sure it isn't iOS.
it doesn't have the best voice assistance, Google has.
it doesn't supports basic connectivity with others devices. (In real life this is call racism! Joking)
it doesn't have the best price.
it does have the best store with great apps and that retina display, but it isn't much to claim that it is the best smart phone out there.
Android phones is doing a good job standing against the iPhone, so apple needs to accept the fact that they aren't alone, and bring the big innovations again.
48. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> Apple did innovated at the begging, but now days it only tries to follow the trend.
You, like many people, committed an error in logic commonly known as "post hoc ergo propter hoc." We don't known what Apple has invented unless they commercialize it and show the world. So when people see it first in competing products, they automatically assume Apple is copying when in fact Apple is the innovator.
We know Apple is the innovator because they are being awarded the patents to key technologies in the smart phone space. The iPad patent D504,889 was filed in March of 2004 and was the predecessor to the iPhone since it involved multi-touch.
I would love to see Google patents from 2004 to 2006 regarding smartphones.
21. tedkord (Posts: 5246; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
I give Apple credit for the original iPhone. It was a game changer. Since then, they've rested on their laurels, and let the competition blast past them, and are pathetically trying to eliminate competition and stifle innovation via frivolous lawsuits.
I also recognize that the original iPhone was nothing more than an extension of what came before. Apple stood on the shoulders of giants, and there's nothing wrong with that. But it's hypocritical to them deny others the same.
39. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple is still at the top of the food chain when it comes to smartphones.
Blackberry is done, meego dead, windows has what 3% marketshare? Only one competitive with Apple is android. There's a handful of high end androids that are competitive with the iPhone.
41. tedkord (Posts: 5246; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
More than competitive. The top end Androids crush the iPhone in power, customization, and features. The last gen Android version is ahead ofthe as yet unreleased iOS 6.
Spike stopped innovating after the original iPhone. They assumed the same defensive pair they did with Macs 30 years ago - sue to stand competition. The difference is back then we had sensible patent laws that forbids software patents.
Ironically, Apple is today suing over ripped off elements just like they did then. Swipe to unlock and multitouch today, the Xerox GUI they stole back then.
18. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5950; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
You forgot to mention pressure on Apple to INNOVATE since they can no longer suppress innovation.
49. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Droid_X_Doug, remember when you stated that ATT was going to engage in a hostile takeover of T-mobile. That was a really, really stupid comment.
"...since [Apple] can no longer suppress innovation." is another classic D_x_D put foot into mouth disease.
Please keep it up.
13. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Easy - I won't have to hear anymore about this whole trial BS.
Sorry - no long dramatic response.
15. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5950; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Ummm. Poor little taco - if you are trying to argue that the 'Purple' design is dispositive, you are going to have to do a little better, as there were other similar designs out showing a rectangular device with a screen that takes up most of the area of the front of the device. Palm was selling similar devices back in the late 1990 (1997?) timeframe, for example. Adding a telephone to the PDA concept is not going to get you to a sufficiently unique inventive effort to receive patent protection.
19. tedkord (Posts: 5246; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Oh yeah, great evidence. The witness "disappears" suddenly from Apple, fakes an illness, tries every legal maneuver to not testify. Really sounds like Apple has nothing to hide...
36. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
nope.. nothing.. nothing at all.. squeaky clean witnesses regularly try to run from court hearings.
2. JC557 (Posts: 1160; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
I've owned the Sony P800 smartphone back in 2003/ 2004 after wishing my Viewsonic PDA had cellular internet connection instead of connecting it to my Motorola T720 through IR or cable. The Sony P900 is it's successor and shows that a lot of today's phones are just evolutionary due to people wanting to do more with their gadgets (like I did). I've also owned the Sony Clie NX-80 which had an awesome camera software.
6. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
He has no point. This will be fandroids new talking point. They will ignore the fact that Apple has prototypes from before Sony and keep repeating that Apple ripped off Sony regardless of any evidence and reality. Just like they refuse to admit Apple revolutionized smartphones and android uses all the features Apple brought to market like pinch to zoom, multitouch, webkit browser etc.
According to them Apple deserves zero credit for that because someone else would have done it anyway.
7. SonyFTW2020 (Posts: 305; Member since: 03 May 2012)
welp whoever is right it will show, because whatever goes on in the dark must come to the light....lol just be careful you dont have to eat any of your words...
11. Jabarkas (Posts: 20; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
I though, that this is an article about design. But if you are talking about the whole "iphone revolution", than you might look at this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L
P.S. Sorry for the double-post.
16. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Thanks for posting a link to an irrelevant phone that no one remembers. Prada doesn't even belong in the same conversation as iPhone.
22. tedkord (Posts: 5246; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Except that it clearly uses the same design cues Apple now claims others from from them. Meaning they existed before Apple, and Apple has no legitimate claim to them.
23. Jabarkas (Posts: 20; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
It's not just about the design. It was also the first smartphone with capacitive (mulit-)touchscreen. The señor up there wrote, that apple came with that feature.
24. frydaexiii (Posts: 1239; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Guys, the troll has finally been let out of it's cage and is hungry, please don't feed it...
33. andro. (Posts: 1971; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Being feed like this?!
25. JC557 (Posts: 1160; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
I guess those idiots missed the evolutionary part of what I've said.
45. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
It proves a point that the rectangular design and touchscreen is really not a revolution from Apple. Of course, taco is in denial again... It's expected.
29. Crossblade (Posts: 190; Member since: 21 Apr 2005)
Prada was announced AFTER the OG iPhone.
30. Jabarkas (Posts: 20; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
In the wikipedia article they are writing, that the phone won a prize for design in september 2006 and that they were even thinking about suing Apple. If you have other source which would back up you opinion, please provide it, so everyone could read it.
31. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
No it wasn't... The Prada was announced December 12, 2006. The iPhone was announced January 9, 2007.
37. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
If i remember correctly, the Prada was announced first by a good margin, but dropped in for sale after the iphone.
Wow, havent seen you commenting in quite a while. :)
40. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Prada was announced after the iPhone
43. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
actually it wasnt
Dec 12, 2006 comes before Jan 9, 2007.. unless time is running backwards.
And if you go by when they submitted to iF for their design award, your talking well BEFORE sept 2006.
"It was the first mobile phone with a capacitive touchscreen"
Rounded corners, centered screen, capacitive interface, minimalist... sound like another phone you love so much?
"Woo-Young Kwak, head of LG Mobile Handset R&D Center, said at a press conference, “We consider that Apple copied the Prada phone after the design was unveiled when it was presented in the iF Design Award and won the prize in September 2006"
International Forum Design—Product Design Award for 2007 
Red dot design award—LG Prada Wins "Best of the Best" red dot Design Award, 2007 
Fashion phone of the year—Mobile Choice (2007) 
Best fashion phone—What Mobile Awards (2007) 
Gold for best looking phone—CNET Asia Readers' Choice Award (2007/08) 
46. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Welcome to taco world... where the world is filled with carne asada, time goes backwards, Apple grows from Foxconn, the US president was Steve Jobs and now Tim Cook.
42. tedkord (Posts: 5246; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Prada design was released a full year before the iPhone. It won an award for its innovative design a full year before the original iPhone. It was clearly an inspiration for the iPhone.
28. Jabarkas (Posts: 20; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Oh, I got a "bad comment" for being right. I feel like Giordano Bruno. Fortunately for me I will not be tied to an iStake and iBurned to death. :)
I really don't understand, why should a customer supports Apple in these trials. If Apple would win and (let's say) ban Galaxy S3, it will seriously damage the competition on the market and thus the customer.
I'm not denying btw, that iPhone changed market for the better or even that some Samsung models took heavy inspiration from Apple. I just don't thing, that Samsung truly coppied anything. What they did seems really "normal" to me.
38. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 645; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Why is it Apple keeps coming up with old photos of prototypes all of a sudden? Seems like these guys might be good at doctoring photos and pulling things out of their asses. Just looking at that Sony phone and the iPhone you can see the resemblances and not even that dodgy looking "purple" photo will be enough to get Apple out of this bs lawsuit. These guys steal from everyone and then want to complain when others do the same to them. Incredible, talk about foot in mouth disease.
Lol, Apple should lose this case...Judge shouldn't throw it out. But make an example out of this, Apple are blatant liars. "Other firms should come up with their own designs and tech and not steal ours..." what crap coming from the crown prince of thievery. I truly hope that samsung wins this case bar none. These pompous jerks need to be brought down a peg for their proud attitude, claiming to be righteous and virtuous but really a stinking bag of lying filth.
44. joseg81 (Posts: 168; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
my only question is from the quote and the "purple" design dated 2005 they're describing the iphone 4 which they didn't implement until 2010. with that said why did they take a step back and release the original iphone which tbh doesn't sound like the description or look like the "purple" picture. "a band running around the midpoint of its body" is the clincher for me. sounds like the antennae that had all those issues when the iphone 4 release. or am i the only one that sees this?
52. chester1 (Posts: 5; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)
I am still just amazed how people think this lawsuit is good for us as consumers. We all suffer from this.
Expenses are higher due to lawyer fees, innovation costs are higher due to patent engineers required to inspect everything so as to avoide bing sued, innovation is slower and competition is stifled.
We are all worse off here, so why argue over it. The only people who win are the shareholders of the winning company and the lawyers.