Apple claims Samsung knew its Galaxy line took its design cues from Apple and was warned by Google
0. phoneArena 25 Jul 2012, 19:08 posted on
An unredacted (no blacked out spots) copy of Apple's trial brief shows that when the Apple v. Samsung patent battle goes to trial next week, the Cupertino based tech firm will claim that Samsung knew that its designs copied those belonging to the Apple iPhone and Apple iPad...
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27. wendygarett (unregistered)
That's because Apple is born to be a patent trolls :D
28. sammy_saw (Posts: 28; Member since: 07 Jan 2012)
And come to think of it the o2 smartphone come out way before apple has some model design of the rectangular shape and round edge too , so I think it's not right that apple to claim the design is belong to them . What you think about this guy?
71. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
iPhone was announced BEFORE the prada came out. Prada is irrelevant because it wasn't even close to an iPhone.
84. 50taco (banned) (Posts: 5; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)
So its irrelevant, because it only LOOKS like an iphone but doesnt function like one huh? Im sure you will say the same about the samsung F700, but the bottom line my evil twin is that the lawsuits against samsung are based in...GASP! Design cues! Rectangle w rounded corners/ touchscreen/ a homescreen button. Yeap its irrelevant if it was made before apple made it gotcha.
20. tiara6918 (Posts: 1542; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
Once again, apple will continue suing the top manufacturers who they think copied their design while those other smartphones from the "not so popular manufacturers" that completely resemble the iPhone/iPad would not be sued. Apple, you're just bashing samsung because you're already starting to loose in the competition...
29. mas11 (Posts: 1032; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
Because two rectangular phones with rounded edges are the same phone. The SIII looks nothing like the 4S
43. mas11 (Posts: 1032; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
I know they are talking about the Galaxy S, but I'm talking about modern phones, not 2 year-old ones. Idk why they are bringing something up that's so old. The Galaxy S didn't look the the iPhone at all.
30. camera531 (Posts: 174; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)
This is why I use a Blackberry, because NO ONE cares to sue them. So they're safe! Uh...until they go under, but...
31. BREvenson (Posts: 214; Member since: 17 May 2012)
Now it's getting dirty. I mean, i's never been a clean fight, really, but now the gloves have come off and it's beyond repair. It won't stop until one of these companies is done for...and I'm sure you know which one I would be rooting for. :p
Seriously, though, this does nothing to help the evolution of technology. We've come so far, and now we're stuck because one company doesn't like how the other company does their business. We're doomed.
33. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I can see it with the original Galaxy S. However, the successive designs of the S2 and S3 have diverged further and further from the IPhone design. All that's left are thing like S Voice. Therefore, a phone like the Nexus, which is so distinguishable from the iPhone it isn't even funny, shouldn't even have a case against it.
70. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 4167; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
The problem is that they shouldn't have copied its design in the first place. I don't think they deserve having some slack cut from them. Businesses are out to make money and protect their property. Hating Apple isn't going to change that because that will hold true for any business.
34. remixfa (Posts: 14175; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ok.. all this tit-for-tat back n forth is pretty funny stuff. I'm just immagining 2 cartoon 3 year olds flinging mud back n forth screaming "mommy, he's throwing mud at me for no reasons" even though they are both covered in it.
How could Samsung "intend to free-ride on the iPhone’s and iPad’s extraordinary success" when they've proven that their designs were out before the iphone's launch.. and thus had NO IDEA if it was going to be successful or not.
OI.. time lines people.. time lines.
72. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Actually it looks like Apple has evidence that Samsing purposely copied Apple. Maybe that's why Samsung is destroying evidence.
82. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
And samsung have evidence that they were going for rectangle design with 1 home button and large screen way before the iPhone was announced... End of the day let's just hope that this leads to stricter patent policy's cause at the moment the patent system is handing out patents to who ever got the money. Example the Google glasses thing I mean Microsoft, Apple, etc all have patents essentially describing the same thing which is ridiculous. Someone at the patent office is either not doing good there job in researching if there is any prior art or not.. As long as patent office remains like this we will always have e lawsuits on patents such as the shape of a phone or the shape of an icon.. The courts should be spending time on more serious stuffs than the shape of a icon etc. As long as apple and others have these patents have the right to use them regardless of what they are but some which have had prior arts should not have been given. One thing that boggles my mind is how apple thinks Samsung 3g parents which I consider real patents is worth less than a bounce effect patent.
88. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple doesn't have a patent on the shape of the phone.
Samsung is in trouble for their design because they clearly tried to make their phones and tablets replicas.
89. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
APPLE have a patent for rectangle with curves and the thinness of a tablet... Seriously how can you patent the thinness of a device.
90. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Thankfully these lawsuits don't affect me Personally as I live in the UK where the courts don't hand out bans for things like shape etc
100. remixfa (Posts: 14175; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
oh troll, like always you are misinformed. Apple has literally said in court that anything that is rectangle with rounded corners, a centrally located screen, and a center button is a clear violation of their intellectual property. There are examples of this design from before the iphone, and most recently from the Sony designs that floated around internally to SJ and Ives who then purposefully copied the whole thing... made mock ups.. and left the SONY label on it because it was like a 99% match for the original iphone. Yet at retail, it didnt say sony, it had a fruit on it.
What a big change. I guess thats why they think its THEIR design now. Because there is no Sony label on it anymore.
101. remixfa (Posts: 14175; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
and here's a "what" moment for you. How can they take "cues from apple", if its proven apple completely ripped off Sony? A copy of a copy? If apple got a hold of those designs from Sony, who's to say that Samsung didnt as well? Since I dont see Sony SUING EVERYONE for likeness, I dont see how Apple has a case.
"we ripped it off fair and square, just like everything else we've done. Therefore its ours, we own it, and we are gonna sue!"
The only thing SJ and Ive are talented as.. as designers.. is finding other people's designs and ripping them off completely.
Iphone, Ipad, Ipod, and even the macbooks are all rip offs of other things. They may make some things like the Macbooks a little nicer, but the design is not original.
In the case of the iphone and ipod, they are 99% rip offs of the original design.
94. thedarkside (Posts: 652; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
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36. MartyK (Posts: 726; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
I wonder, can Samsung claim prior art (LG Prada) and Neonode N1m.
Would the US Judges recognized this facts.
58. networkdood (Posts: 6326; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
probably not in the U.S. - apple will have some money waiting for the judge...
44. lyndon420 (Posts: 1786; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
It's hard not to notice the similarities between them (aesthetically). Too bad it causes such a backlash onto Android because of it's openness.
54. Forsaken77 (Posts: 552; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)
I had the OG GS1, the Captivate from AT&T, and it doesn't look anything like the iPhone. The Captivate was the only model of the GS1 line that sported a different design from the other 3 by being more squared, aside of Sprints' version with the physical keyboard. Maybe AT&T requested that it not look so similar to the iPhone?
Regardless of Samsungs claims against Apple... Samsung thought it could mimmick Apples' iPad design so customers would think it was the same type of device. Samsung, you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Time to pay up. Stop trying to fight the fact because you're wasting more money and time, and looking stupid in the process.
Any non-bias person can blatantly see they copied. I'm an Android supporter myself, but thems the facts.
And in response to someone else saying that Apple is mad cause Samsung makes better phones... I wouldn't go that far. The phones have more and better features from Samsung, but they continue to use garbage parts and components. On the surface, the Galaxy phones blow the iPhone away. But Apples' phone is much better quality. They both have instances of very public failures, but overall, Samsungs' products are made like junk... from TV's to phones. I'm speaking from personal experience. I went through 5 GS1 Captivates under warranty, 2 GS2 Skyrockets (and it only came out in Dec 2011), and 2 high-end Samsung tv's that had screen issues.
57. networkdood (Posts: 6326; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Drop tests have shown that the captivate, sgs2 were superior to iphones - not so much for the sgs3.
55. networkdood (Posts: 6326; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Again, in America, where APPLE does the best, the Galaxy S phone - the CAPTIVATE - looks nothing like an iphone.
56. networkdood (Posts: 6326; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Besides, how can a company patent the look of a phone, when over the years lots of phones have looked like lots of other phones?
63. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Wow once Apple presents evidence that Samsungs own design team admits to copying Apple, what will all the fandroids that said Samsung doesn't copy say then?
74. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 4167; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
They'll backtrack and come up with every excuse in the books.
80. MeoCao (unregistered)
Actually if what Apple claim is true then we can say that SS did not copy Apple design. SS designer said : "regretably" and that means he did not expect that their design was similar to iPhone.
And SS F-700 indeed looked like iPhone but F-700 came out only 1 month after the iPhone so that clearly was not copying but simply coincidence. And Galaxy S design came from F-700 (minus the keyboard).
64. jopancy (Posts: 72; Member since: 25 Apr 2012)
If Apple was so innovative how come they just can't make another phone design that would make the whole world drop their jaws in amazement, thus making the earlier design redundant???
Apple should be flattered and give Samsung a big bear hug for coping their Iphone design because Samsung sees it as fantastic.
It's a great compliment from Samsung to Apple.
66. mukrenol (Posts: 90; Member since: 03 Sep 2011)
It's an interest to me the article did not say when google warn Samsung, meaning could Samsung made changes after the warning or did they stay the same?
83. Aeires (unregistered)
Google didn't have access to Samsung's R&D prototypes that clearly showed they were working on full screen phones prior to the iPhone. Apple can make whatever claim they want, it's not going to hold up if claimed parties had only limited knowledge of the overall big picture of what was being developed.
86. shamataa (Posts: 202; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
This is some horses**t. Apple get your head out of your ass and be gone and stop making false statement.
91. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
guys, i think we are thinking too much about patents......both apple and samsung want to make money and keep their investors happy, i don't think this would stop innovation....
102. phil2n (Posts: 476; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Samsung Galaxy S "looked like it copied the iPhone too much,” and that "innovation is needed."..
there innovation is design not the specs and in its phone inside
106. Raymond_htc (Posts: 430; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)
Apple, your a piece of BULLsht. How does Samsung Galaxy S3 copies the iPhone, so does the S2? Bich please, Apple, stop being a child whining cuz you lose the game.