Apple claims Samsung knew its Galaxy line took its design cues from Apple and was warned by Google
Apple claims that it will show that Samsung's own documents not only show that the company deliberately copied Apple's designs, but that various third parties including Google warned Samsung not to copy the Apple iPhone and Apple iPad. One of the points that Apple is expected to bring out at trial is a warning from Google to Samsung that it's P1 and P3 tablets (Samsung GALAXY Tab and Samsung GALAXY Tab 10.1 respectively) were "too similar" to the Apple iPad and demanded "distinguishable design vis-à-vis the iPad for the P3."
Last year, Samsung's Product Design Group said that it is "regrettable" that the Samsung Galaxy S "looks similar" to older models of the Apple iPhone. Also, during an evaluation sponsored by Samsung, some famous designers said that the Samsung Galaxy S "looked like it copied the iPhone too much,” and that "innovation is needed." If there ever was a smoking gun, it might be this comment from a designer, "[a]ll you have to do is cover up the Samsung logo and it’s difficult to find anything different from the iPhone."
1. Ohrules (Posts: 299; Member since: 11 Jun 2012)
apple please come out out of your fantasy world and accept the reality that Samsung makes better devices than you!
8. E.N. (Posts: 2218; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
But damn if they can really prove that even Google warned them.... things might just be getting started. Lol google thinks Samsung copied wow. And did you read the comment Samsung's Product Design Group said? It's "regrettable" that the Galxaxy S "looks similar" to the iPhone. And also famous phone designers agree that their devices look too similar. It looks like Apple's fantasy world may in fact be very real.
16. MeoCao (unregistered)
Google's people's opinions are subjective and mean nothing in court. SS can disagree with those opinions and that's OK.
One question is why Apple did not take any action when the Galaxy S looked indeed similar to old iPhone model (with very limited success) but now when Galaxy S3 is anything but similar to iPhone (but wildly successful)?
46. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
Apple is suing for damages caused by lost sales due to the initial build-up of success of the GS1 which was according to them copied the OG iPhone's design.
48. E.N. (Posts: 2218; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Google and Samsung are teammates in this whole Samsung vs Apple vs Google dispute. If Google as a company went out of their way to warn Samsung, along with other well know cell phone designers, then yea this will have weight in court and Apple will use it. How will it sound to say that Google not only agrees that Samsungs devices copy Apple's design, but they also warned Samsung against their designs, possibly foreseeing this whole legal dispute? Kinda bad
I was under the impression that the original Galaxy S line was included, but I could be wrong. Anyway, the Galaxy Nexus isn't selling like hot cakes and yet the device is included.
52. MeoCao (unregistered)
I don't think Google's opinion proves anything to the judge, the judge will rely on FACTS but not some 3rd party's opinion.
But Google's opinion will be huge to discredit Samsung - and this is the real motive of Apple's lawsuits imho.
103. kyp5035 (Posts: 16; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
they did then too, they are bringing it back...!!! AGAIN
13. The_Godfather (Posts: 146; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
Best comment ever on Phonearena...well done mate that was 100000000000000000001% true :) love Samsung f**k Apple
49. E.N. (Posts: 2218; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Dude calm down, there's like 5 of these comments in every article.
32. -box- (Posts: 3570; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Does anyone else want a major manufacturer to come out with a 4" 16:9 phone just to spite apple? Doesn't even have to be good, just enough that the alleged designs are "copying"
47. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
We should convince apl.de.ap to start his own smartphone manufacturing business just to piss Apple off. His appstore would be named Apl Appstore and apple could never ever sue him because that is his celebrity name! lol :p
40. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 2846; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
That's a pretty blind statement to make.
45. The_Godfather (Posts: 146; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
I have got thumbs down because I appreciated the fact.
Another fact is the sales of iPhone 5 would be drastically low.
If you guys don't agree wait and watch when they release.
Reason would be that same s**tty design over dead icon based iOS which has got 200 invisible features again lolzzzz
87. dcgore (Posts: 198; Member since: 24 Feb 2012)
Hahaha, laughable! Samsung makes better phones?? Android vs iOS/Apple is a different conversation but Samsung making better phones than Apple...no way!!
2. KParks23 (Posts: 422; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)
LOL really??? its a phone how different can a black phone look?? apple steels all there ideas and so do many other companys how are we supposed to improve on things if u dont?now im against a total copy but using some ideas to improve a experience should be ok! apple needs to STFU the courts need to put a limit on the amount of complaints they can file.. and if u cant tell the difference between a galaxy s and a iphone ur a moron!!
9. nofear (Posts: 147; Member since: 22 Jun 2012)
Remember! Mr. Job is wishing for thermonuclear with Samsung. Did you remember that? A moronic idea that Apple adapted is not innovation because Apple knew, it could not come up with any. Just think next iPhone5 is a 4" screen, no 5" nor SD.
21. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
Lol Jobs didn't care about Samsung, he wanted to destroy Andoid. Get your facts straight.
65. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
4" screen and ad card isn't innovation
81. MeoCao (unregistered)
But rounded rectangle is?
97. darkkjedii (Posts: 9330; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
I agree apple needs to increase the screen size, but sd isn't necessary when u have 64 gigs and cloud storage. Even some android makers r getting away from sd. No current androids have 64 gigs, samsungs 64 gig gs3 isnt even being made yet, and there's talk that it won't be at all. Sd is cool but y do u not comment on apple at least giving gobs of internal flash storage. They were the first with 4, 8 ,16, 32, and 64 gigs of external storage. That is innovative.
42. Doakie (Posts: 878; Member since: 06 May 2009)
What really gets me is how the iPhone 4 stole its design from the 2007 LG Prada. Then Apple patents the styling and sues Samsung...
Okay I'm ready for my ban, this will be the third warning this week and therefore a ban. I got my last warning for a simple statement that "I hate Apple." They said I was trolling. I can't believe that a simple statement about a company I dislike got me a warning... I guess I don't really have "freedom of speech" on a privately owned website.
98. darkkjedii (Posts: 9330; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
U have freedom of speech they have freedom of punishment. Just obey the rules bro, and you'll b cool. Learn to put stars, and symbols in place of letters and let folks figure out what it says for themselves.
3. CypherCross (Posts: 9; Member since: 25 Jul 2012)
Apple sounds like an annoying ex girl friend who keep bitching about the same s**t over and over and doesn't know how to move on...
24. guosheng (Posts: 8; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
Well said CC. This girl moved on quickly from ex boyfriend Xerox.
37. stealthd (Posts: 870; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)
That's the only way to get anything done in court.
5. nofear (Posts: 147; Member since: 22 Jun 2012)
I'm so sick of Apple how incompetent they are. Apple knew that they can not out compete Android market. This is the only way to slow Samsung down. Let me tell you Apple, your next iPhone 5 is 4" screen. Is it only 4" screen? no other flavor?
67. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple has 80% of the industry profits so I'd say they're competing just fine.
77. MeoCao (unregistered)
But Apple will come down fast and will a hold some niche market share only against total domination of Android, just like Mac against Windows.
The truth is a closed ecosystem can never compete with a open 1.
6. Santi_Santi (unregistered)
Clash of the titans! get the pop corn!
7. marchels14 (unregistered)
you have to be stupid to say that galaxy s looks like iPhone,they don't even look same,fat and bulky iPhone vs slim and stylish galaxy s,take a look and you will see the differences clearly.
38. stealthd (Posts: 870; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)
So basically you've never seen any of the phones in question.
60. networkdood (Posts: 5589; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Maybe it looks similar to the outside U.S. model - the Captivate was different - Vibrant may have looked similar....
10. MeoCao (unregistered)
I think this is Apple's fault: They use such generic design that not only SS but many other manufacturers also have such generic design and similar to Apple's. I think Apple pays tonnes of money to push their petty patents through USPTO and that why only Apple has such ridiculous patents like "disappearing the scroll bar" or "slide to unlock" or "rounded rectangle".
If Apple wants to be different they should put their logo in front or use some other distinctive unique features. Samsung has their logo on the front and that's the way to go.
68. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
None of Samsungs phones looked like now until the iPhone came out
78. MeoCao (unregistered)
I agree that iPhone was revolutionary and changed everything just as Steve Jobs said. So not only SS but the whole mobile industry changed b-c of it.
But should Apple cling to that glorious history and not allow others to compete and hinder innovation with their "rounded rectangle" patent?
96. darkkjedii (Posts: 9330; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Nope, but I think apples gonna hit a grand slam with the next one. Their gonna Barry Bonds the industry.
95. darkkjedii (Posts: 9330; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Taco where've u been? The droids have been attacking me from all sides dude.
11. Angkor (Posts: 108; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Samsung must cut the business deals with Apple and go all out on Patent Wars with Apple. Lost or win, right or wrong Apple wanted to shutdown Samsung mobile business.
12. wendygarett (unregistered)
That's why Samsung need to recruit more skillful designer... I'm sick of these design now... I would rather have rim playbook or Sony tablets instead of these...
15. suavemezie (Posts: 58; Member since: 21 Jun 2012)
if you are sick of samsung's little changes, how sick are you about the same ol same iphone?
25. wendygarett (unregistered)
Total sick too!! Who do you think I am? You do realise that even nexus 7 has better design than both... And yet some mindless fanboy give me a thumb down just for nothing :(
76. wendygarett (unregistered)
thumb you up too :D
Finally a smart one here :D
26. SEUL8TR (banned) (Posts: 30; Member since: 24 Jul 2012)
suavemeize nice one, you hit the iFan in the iNerve....!?
14. suavemezie (Posts: 58; Member since: 21 Jun 2012)
APPLE is making it obvious that they are afraid of competition! Don't act like loosers....after all phones design gonna look similar anyways! Get over it and lunch an iphone 5 that beats Samsung galaxy s3 hand down. It appears to me that Apple is agreeing that Samsung is better, though they are! after all they produce more that 60% of iphone's parts...
69. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Actually Samsung is afraid of competition so they just copy Apple instead of coming up with their own designs.
Any other company would sue Samsung as well to protect their hard work
79. MeoCao (unregistered)
People may have different opinions about this case, but 1 thing is clear: customers (including iPhone users) are the winners when SS bring the fight to Apple, SS products are much more powerful and cheaper too. Those who value refined experience can always choose iPhone.
85. 50taco (banned) (Posts: 5; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)
Actually, typing actually in front of every stament you make doesnt actually make your actual post sound any smarter. If anything it actually makes you come across like a tool. Actually.
17. stifler (Posts: 2; Member since: 25 Jul 2012)
I find myself clever enough to tell the big differences between Samsung and Apple phones. Rounded rectangular design patent is too vague.
18. SonyFTW2020 (Posts: 305; Member since: 03 May 2012)
The funny thing is, while they're complaining about stealing ideas apple is moving the iphone 5 up to 4" inch mark... That is an android idea coming from apple fans themselves! Im not saying apple is wrong because even the article implies that google tried to warn them......So that is saying alot and sounds like its in favor for apple here. BUT apple can not act like they're aren't doing any "idea" stealing as well.....Android is so creative and customizable that it is very hard for even the dedicated apple fans to not ask for a bit of what android has been doing for years now. A bigger screen is something obvious and something EVERYONE requires these days, the only thing is if apple fans see the other stuff they are missing out on,(no restrictions, customization, Jellybean lol) then it is going to be tough for apple to stay in the game. Apples move to the 4 in mark is clearly a way of surviving the onslaught of what android is bringing and continues to bring.......To put it simple, android is only going to get better and better as time goes on and it will be really hard to keep up with them without copying there style in one way or the other...
39. stealthd (Posts: 870; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)
" 4" inch mark. That is an android idea. . . "
Oh god, the stupid here is overwhelming >
19. sammy_saw (Posts: 28; Member since: 07 Jan 2012)
How come that lg doesn't sue apple for copying there design of there 1 st lg Prada phone?