Apple claims Samsung knew its Galaxy line took its design cues from Apple and was warned by Google
Apple claims that it will show that Samsung's own documents not only show that the company deliberately copied Apple's designs, but that various third parties including Google warned Samsung not to copy the Apple iPhone and Apple iPad. One of the points that Apple is expected to bring out at trial is a warning from Google to Samsung that it's P1 and P3 tablets (Samsung GALAXY Tab and Samsung GALAXY Tab 10.1 respectively) were "too similar" to the Apple iPad and demanded "distinguishable design vis-à-vis the iPad for the P3."
Last year, Samsung's Product Design Group said that it is "regrettable" that the Samsung Galaxy S "looks similar" to older models of the Apple iPhone. Also, during an evaluation sponsored by Samsung, some famous designers said that the Samsung Galaxy S "looked like it copied the iPhone too much,” and that "innovation is needed." If there ever was a smoking gun, it might be this comment from a designer, "[a]ll you have to do is cover up the Samsung logo and it’s difficult to find anything different from the iPhone."
1. Ohrules posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:13 44 25
apple please come out out of your fantasy world and accept the reality that Samsung makes better devices than you!
8. E.N. posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:33 17 17
But damn if they can really prove that even Google warned them.... things might just be getting started. Lol google thinks Samsung copied wow. And did you read the comment Samsung's Product Design Group said? It's "regrettable" that the Galxaxy S "looks similar" to the iPhone. And also famous phone designers agree that their devices look too similar. It looks like Apple's fantasy world may in fact be very real.
16. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:44 23 3
Google's people's opinions are subjective and mean nothing in court. SS can disagree with those opinions and that's OK.
One question is why Apple did not take any action when the Galaxy S looked indeed similar to old iPhone model (with very limited success) but now when Galaxy S3 is anything but similar to iPhone (but wildly successful)?
46. cepcamba posted on 25 Jul 2012, 22:10 6 2
Apple is suing for damages caused by lost sales due to the initial build-up of success of the GS1 which was according to them copied the OG iPhone's design.
50. DownHer posted on 25 Jul 2012, 22:50 3 0
It's because it's an iPhone.
48. E.N. posted on 25 Jul 2012, 22:39 6 1
Google and Samsung are teammates in this whole Samsung vs Apple vs Google dispute. If Google as a company went out of their way to warn Samsung, along with other well know cell phone designers, then yea this will have weight in court and Apple will use it. How will it sound to say that Google not only agrees that Samsungs devices copy Apple's design, but they also warned Samsung against their designs, possibly foreseeing this whole legal dispute? Kinda bad
I was under the impression that the original Galaxy S line was included, but I could be wrong. Anyway, the Galaxy Nexus isn't selling like hot cakes and yet the device is included.
52. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 25 Jul 2012, 23:12 2 1
I don't think Google's opinion proves anything to the judge, the judge will rely on FACTS but not some 3rd party's opinion.
But Google's opinion will be huge to discredit Samsung - and this is the real motive of Apple's lawsuits imho.
103. kyp5035 posted on 26 Jul 2012, 22:46 0 0
they did then too, they are bringing it back...!!! AGAIN
13. The_Godfather posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:38 13 15
Best comment ever on Phonearena...well done mate that was 100000000000000000001% true :) love Samsung f**k Apple
49. E.N. posted on 25 Jul 2012, 22:47 4 2
Dude calm down, there's like 5 of these comments in every article.
104. kyp5035 posted on 26 Jul 2012, 22:47 1 1
32. -box- posted on 25 Jul 2012, 21:06 4 1
Does anyone else want a major manufacturer to come out with a 4" 16:9 phone just to spite apple? Doesn't even have to be good, just enough that the alleged designs are "copying"
47. cepcamba posted on 25 Jul 2012, 22:17 3 1
We should convince apl.de.ap to start his own smartphone manufacturing business just to piss Apple off. His appstore would be named Apl Appstore and apple could never ever sue him because that is his celebrity name! lol :p
45. The_Godfather posted on 25 Jul 2012, 22:09 7 5
I have got thumbs down because I appreciated the fact.
Another fact is the sales of iPhone 5 would be drastically low.
If you guys don't agree wait and watch when they release.
Reason would be that same s**tty design over dead icon based iOS which has got 200 invisible features again lolzzzz
53. Mxyzptlk posted on 25 Jul 2012, 23:29 1 5
I returned the favor.
87. dcgore posted on 26 Jul 2012, 11:57 2 5
Hahaha, laughable! Samsung makes better phones?? Android vs iOS/Apple is a different conversation but Samsung making better phones than Apple...no way!!
2. KParks23 posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:20 14 5
LOL really??? its a phone how different can a black phone look?? apple steels all there ideas and so do many other companys how are we supposed to improve on things if u dont?now im against a total copy but using some ideas to improve a experience should be ok! apple needs to STFU the courts need to put a limit on the amount of complaints they can file.. and if u cant tell the difference between a galaxy s and a iphone ur a moron!!
9. nofear posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:34 7 5
Remember! Mr. Job is wishing for thermonuclear with Samsung. Did you remember that? A moronic idea that Apple adapted is not innovation because Apple knew, it could not come up with any. Just think next iPhone5 is a 4" screen, no 5" nor SD.
21. Jay_F posted on 25 Jul 2012, 20:09 10 1
Lol Jobs didn't care about Samsung, he wanted to destroy Andoid. Get your facts straight.
81. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 26 Jul 2012, 04:09 4 2
But rounded rectangle is?
97. darkkjedii posted on 26 Jul 2012, 15:44 0 0
I agree apple needs to increase the screen size, but sd isn't necessary when u have 64 gigs and cloud storage. Even some android makers r getting away from sd. No current androids have 64 gigs, samsungs 64 gig gs3 isnt even being made yet, and there's talk that it won't be at all. Sd is cool but y do u not comment on apple at least giving gobs of internal flash storage. They were the first with 4, 8 ,16, 32, and 64 gigs of external storage. That is innovative.
99. darkkjedii posted on 26 Jul 2012, 15:48 0 0
42. Doakie posted on 25 Jul 2012, 21:57 8 2
What really gets me is how the iPhone 4 stole its design from the 2007 LG Prada. Then Apple patents the styling and sues Samsung...
Okay I'm ready for my ban, this will be the third warning this week and therefore a ban. I got my last warning for a simple statement that "I hate Apple." They said I was trolling. I can't believe that a simple statement about a company I dislike got me a warning... I guess I don't really have "freedom of speech" on a privately owned website.
98. darkkjedii posted on 26 Jul 2012, 15:46 1 0
U have freedom of speech they have freedom of punishment. Just obey the rules bro, and you'll b cool. Learn to put stars, and symbols in place of letters and let folks figure out what it says for themselves.
3. CypherCross posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:22 23 5
Apple sounds like an annoying ex girl friend who keep bitching about the same s**t over and over and doesn't know how to move on...
24. guosheng posted on 25 Jul 2012, 20:26 3 3
Well said CC. This girl moved on quickly from ex boyfriend Xerox.
37. stealthd posted on 25 Jul 2012, 21:34 3 1
That's the only way to get anything done in court.
5. nofear posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:27 8 4
I'm so sick of Apple how incompetent they are. Apple knew that they can not out compete Android market. This is the only way to slow Samsung down. Let me tell you Apple, your next iPhone 5 is 4" screen. Is it only 4" screen? no other flavor?
67. taco50 (banned) posted on 26 Jul 2012, 02:22 4 7
Apple has 80% of the industry profits so I'd say they're competing just fine.
77. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 26 Jul 2012, 03:30 2 2
But Apple will come down fast and will a hold some niche market share only against total domination of Android, just like Mac against Windows.
The truth is a closed ecosystem can never compete with a open 1.
7. marchels14 posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:32 11 4
you have to be stupid to say that galaxy s looks like iPhone,they don't even look same,fat and bulky iPhone vs slim and stylish galaxy s,take a look and you will see the differences clearly.
38. stealthd posted on 25 Jul 2012, 21:35 3 3
So basically you've never seen any of the phones in question.
60. networkdood posted on 26 Jul 2012, 00:49 0 0
Maybe it looks similar to the outside U.S. model - the Captivate was different - Vibrant may have looked similar....
10. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:36 5 3
I think this is Apple's fault: They use such generic design that not only SS but many other manufacturers also have such generic design and similar to Apple's. I think Apple pays tonnes of money to push their petty patents through USPTO and that why only Apple has such ridiculous patents like "disappearing the scroll bar" or "slide to unlock" or "rounded rectangle".
If Apple wants to be different they should put their logo in front or use some other distinctive unique features. Samsung has their logo on the front and that's the way to go.
68. taco50 (banned) posted on 26 Jul 2012, 02:23 5 4
None of Samsungs phones looked like now until the iPhone came out
78. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 26 Jul 2012, 03:37 0 0
I agree that iPhone was revolutionary and changed everything just as Steve Jobs said. So not only SS but the whole mobile industry changed b-c of it.
But should Apple cling to that glorious history and not allow others to compete and hinder innovation with their "rounded rectangle" patent?
96. darkkjedii posted on 26 Jul 2012, 15:36 0 0
Nope, but I think apples gonna hit a grand slam with the next one. Their gonna Barry Bonds the industry.
95. darkkjedii posted on 26 Jul 2012, 15:34 1 0
Taco where've u been? The droids have been attacking me from all sides dude.
11. Angkor posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:37 4 1
Samsung must cut the business deals with Apple and go all out on Patent Wars with Apple. Lost or win, right or wrong Apple wanted to shutdown Samsung mobile business.
12. wendygarett (limited) 4 days ago posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:37 6 11
That's why Samsung need to recruit more skillful designer... I'm sick of these design now... I would rather have rim playbook or Sony tablets instead of these...
15. suavemezie posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:44 11 4
if you are sick of samsung's little changes, how sick are you about the same ol same iphone?
25. wendygarett (limited) 4 days ago posted on 25 Jul 2012, 20:28 7 5
Total sick too!! Who do you think I am? You do realise that even nexus 7 has better design than both... And yet some mindless fanboy give me a thumb down just for nothing :(
61. networkdood posted on 26 Jul 2012, 00:49 3 2
thumbed you up, Wendy!
76. wendygarett (limited) 4 days ago posted on 26 Jul 2012, 02:51 2 2
thumb you up too :D
Finally a smart one here :D
26. SEUL8TR (banned) posted on 25 Jul 2012, 20:28 2 7
suavemeize nice one, you hit the iFan in the iNerve....!?
14. suavemezie posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:43 13 3
APPLE is making it obvious that they are afraid of competition! Don't act like loosers....after all phones design gonna look similar anyways! Get over it and lunch an iphone 5 that beats Samsung galaxy s3 hand down. It appears to me that Apple is agreeing that Samsung is better, though they are! after all they produce more that 60% of iphone's parts...
69. taco50 (banned) posted on 26 Jul 2012, 02:24 6 7
Actually Samsung is afraid of competition so they just copy Apple instead of coming up with their own designs.
Any other company would sue Samsung as well to protect their hard work
79. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 26 Jul 2012, 03:47 0 1
People may have different opinions about this case, but 1 thing is clear: customers (including iPhone users) are the winners when SS bring the fight to Apple, SS products are much more powerful and cheaper too. Those who value refined experience can always choose iPhone.
85. 50taco (banned) posted on 26 Jul 2012, 07:41 1 4
Actually, typing actually in front of every stament you make doesnt actually make your actual post sound any smarter. If anything it actually makes you come across like a tool. Actually.
93. thedarkside posted on 26 Jul 2012, 13:12 1 1
i like the new taco better.
17. stifler posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:53 7 2
I find myself clever enough to tell the big differences between Samsung and Apple phones. Rounded rectangular design patent is too vague.
18. SonyFTW2020 posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:54 8 2
The funny thing is, while they're complaining about stealing ideas apple is moving the iphone 5 up to 4" inch mark... That is an android idea coming from apple fans themselves! Im not saying apple is wrong because even the article implies that google tried to warn them......So that is saying alot and sounds like its in favor for apple here. BUT apple can not act like they're aren't doing any "idea" stealing as well.....Android is so creative and customizable that it is very hard for even the dedicated apple fans to not ask for a bit of what android has been doing for years now. A bigger screen is something obvious and something EVERYONE requires these days, the only thing is if apple fans see the other stuff they are missing out on,(no restrictions, customization, Jellybean lol) then it is going to be tough for apple to stay in the game. Apples move to the 4 in mark is clearly a way of surviving the onslaught of what android is bringing and continues to bring.......To put it simple, android is only going to get better and better as time goes on and it will be really hard to keep up with them without copying there style in one way or the other...
39. stealthd posted on 25 Jul 2012, 21:37 3 0
" 4" inch mark. That is an android idea. . . "
Oh god, the stupid here is overwhelming >
19. sammy_saw posted on 25 Jul 2012, 20:01 7 3
How come that lg doesn't sue apple for copying there design of there 1 st lg Prada phone?