Apple calls out HTC's entire One series in its third ITC complaint
0. phoneArena 06 Jun 2012, 11:15 posted on
Well folks, the saga continues as Apple quietly rolled out a third complaint to the ITC on June 4th! At heart, this new filing is still calling out HTC’s violation of patents regarding “data tapping.” Very recently, HTC began selling the HTC One X and EVO 4G LTE after they mentioned...
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9. jaytai0106 (Posts: 1751; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
What now? Can anybody put a maximum number of complaints Apple can file a year? It is getting old...
12. QinEmpire (Posts: 145; Member since: 16 May 2012)
Apple did the right thing since Android copied iOS wholesale.
52. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
...says the former strikecho, chinese hacker....
78. hepresearch (unregistered)
hmmmm... wasn't Emporer Qin the one who ruled with a serious iron fist, burned many records of his people in that day and age, began the construction of the Great Wall, and, last but not least, both considered and tried to legislate his control over people's very thoughts? The first few items are still celebrated and glorified as the beginning of ancient China, but that last item didn't turn out so well, did it? Turning people into thought controlled robots is great for the ruthless leader at the top, but very bad for people who desire to be free-thinkers... not to mention, very difficult to carry out and enforce. Sort of reminds me of stuff talked about today, like the affect Apple has on folks who buy into their ecosystem...
18. -box- (Posts: 3954; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Apple is just hurting because there's just so many superior devices to its own... What whiners. If I didn't already have satisfactory phones I'd buy a One just to stick it to apple
20. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Yup you're right. They only made 80% of the industry profits. Looks like they're getting desperate for money. Probably will be out of business by the end of this year.
36. gotgame (Posts: 2; Member since: 06 Jun 2012)
By the end of the year? Thanks for being so optimistic, I was going to give them until next year.
40. tha.fox (Posts: 100; Member since: 30 Nov 2011)
and and using all of it to screw everyone but ifans. This isnt a dictatorship what happened to freedom of choices.
22. Samot9 (Posts: 18; Member since: 02 Dec 2009)
This is stupid. All this finger pointing is hurting the industry and the comsumer. At this rate i wont care how good krapple is i wont buy one if there going to be the big bullys.
Hey Apple Microsoft just asks for money when they have a problem i guess thats just to good for you..
32. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
you don't care how good Apple is you wont buy their products.. do you Apply this only with Apple or with all companies that do what Apple does. because trust me there are multiple out there..
118. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6979; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
WHAT BOUT THE CONSUMER THAT pre ORDER their phones. we the consumer IS THE ONE THAT'S LOOSING.
29. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
to say Apple doesn't innovate is only speaking out of their other mouth.... Apple releases one phone a year.. they haven't released the one this year so don't talk unless you know. which you don't... second... I am a consumer.. and I separate the product form whatever they do on lawsuits or investment,. because of you don't your life will be miserable unless your beef is only with Apple. then that's another problem....
37. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
Correction, Apple "releases" the same crappy repackaged phone once a year...
46. jellytime (Posts: 135; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
but S3 Will probably have Lte just like S2
75. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
the only reason is repackage is Android's fault for not putting phones that attract people other than geeks. I want Android to really challenged the iphone so we can Apple can unleash al its potential.. in the mean time. no need for big upgrades. as Apple already knows. is not about the specs... just waiting on Android to figure that out
79. hepresearch (unregistered)
Well, that's too bad then. The only way to make a device capable of appealing to anyone, without having to innovate (since we all know that only Apple is allowed to innovate these days), is to make a device just like the iPhone (which, as we all now see, gets you in a lot of trouble with Apple these days). Hence, as long as the current financial/corporate/legal/judicial alliances continue to exist, there will be no competing device that has the universal appeal of the iPhone. The system has been set up, and the trap-doors slammed shut, to make that prior possibility now impossible. The system that has been set up assures Apple that they need not push themselves, and that they can be comfortable as their attorneys take care of the would-be competitors who, unable to succeed AND follow the new system-rules at the same time, are steadily wallowing into oblivion as they are constantly told "NO!" with regard to every new idea they try.
119. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6979; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Apple still have the same shape that HAVEN'T CHANGE last 2 models only different antennas and now a bigger screen? Every other manufactuer have 4.3-4.8". And I'M SURE YOU'LL BE MAD IF SOME ONE BANS YOUR PRODUCT that you PRE ORDER and NEVER ARRIVED.
31. thachlel (Posts: 75; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)
I have been used HTC smartphone when apple didn't know how to wear their pants. Apple's produces are use to trick kids and folks like to jump to band wagon. Their iphone is suck! They want to dominate the market so will go after every one who make better. 1st with Motorola...Samsung...now HTC soon to me, myself if I can make a smartphone for myself
120. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6979; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
the HELL WITH U APPLE. U DIE AND GO TO HELL
41. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Are you kidding me? Apple won 1 out of the 9 patent. And that 1 patent is already enforce. HTC change it, I know because I don't have my option on my ICS rom for the Evo 3D and the fact that HTC pass custom.
43. thedarkside (Posts: 652; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
wow, this is ridiculous. i own an iphone and im upset about this. call me a sheep all you want but when i got my iphone android had only been around since breakfast and wasnt proven to be anything at the time. now it seems that since android made its mark that apple gets butt hurt over every little thing. apple may be an innovator, but all the companies that make phones for android keep up with what customers want. i love my phone but there are things i wish it had or even did.
44. Stuntman (Posts: 827; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
With all of these patents that Apple has, why couldn't Apple actually make phones that people like more than any other phone instead of trying to prevent people from buying a phone that they like the more than an Apple phone?
45. RangersK (Posts: 62; Member since: 15 May 2012)
Looks like Apple doesn't want to play fair.
48. rob5150 (Posts: 134; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
as to the argument about apple thinks these phones copy, why is it that everytime i take my samsung infuse out and use it around people that have iphones, every single person says WOW! what phone is that? thats a beautiful, huge screen, so thin....
obviously apples arguments about all these wonderful android phones copied apple.... they are plain wrong
49. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
They are just sore losers and cry babies. They think any phones that have a screen, are square in shape and have apps are a copy...
53. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Apple seems more content at putting others out of business, rather than making advancements in their own products, which they do at a snail's pace. Their tactics are reminiscent of Walmart. Walmart opens up a new store in a small town and everyone comes by and shops it, because of their lower prices - these lower prices push all other businesses to fail, and then Walmart leaves town, leaving it a ghost town.
Um, ok, maybe not the same tactics, but dirty, nonetheless.
Strange, though, when iFans yell out LAG, when it comes to Android phones, and yet, when I was using the wife's iphone 4S, I noticed that it actually had a tad more lag time when going through the UI, when compared to my DROID RAZR Axiom ICS 4.0.4 phone.
Seems like every month, I find a new option or feature that DROID does/iPHONE can't.
55. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
The irony of Apple suing a company over use of something they patented is as thick as pea soup fog.
56. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Looks like someone is paying APPLE a visit:
57. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
59. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Apple litigation history for anyone who is curious:
60. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Did Apple steal their Maps idea?
63. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Huh, did Apple steal their original design from Samsung?
66. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Another good article:
67. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
If you think about it - for every person that switches from an iphone, that is a loss of money via itunes. Just wait until the new Google tablet comes out....
77. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
the same was said about the Samsung tablets... and nothing so far... well at least fandroids are still optimistic after so many tablet busts...
83. tedkord (Posts: 6532; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Well, just like with smartphones, we're confident that Android OEMs will figure it out.
As I recall, iFans were on the opposite side if that argument. I remember comments like, "Android will never outsell iOS, its too buggy and laggy." Of course, from then, the goalposts got constantly moved. Once Android surpassed iOS, then it became about apps - Android didn't have any apps.
Eventually, it just became about excuses why Android was overwhelmingly winning. Price, number of models, etc...
Luckily, along came tablets. Now, they can fall back on tablets sales, and completely deflect from the fact that twice as many people choose an Android phone over an iOS phone. Then they can pretend that Apple cane up with the idea of a smart stylus out of the blue. And it was a Steve Jobs eureka moment that brought a bigger screen to the iPhone. And that there was never a touchscreen smartphone with rows if icons before the second coming in 2007.
85. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
You really love bringing up the fact that Android tablets don't sell as well as the iPad. Go ahead, be proud that's all fine. Besides I bought an iPad as well. But here's what you have to remember. For every Android tablet sold, be it a hit or a bust... Apple looses money. Not just on the ipad that wasn't purchased, but as Networkdood so brilliantly pointed out, they are loosing money on iTunes also. The 30% the developers have to pay. The unnecessary upgrads Mac user have to pay to run these idevices, and for every decent experience someone has with an Android tablet increases the possibility of that customer moving completely to Google's ecosystem.
Apple will eventually get around to suing Asus sooner or later. The Transformer 300 may not be the biggest seller, but its getting notices. And if Asus gets smart enough to throw some money into marketing it's line of tablets, Apple will feel that hit. Say what you want about Android tablets being a bust...but as an iPad owner, I'm getting bored and my iPad is getting SLOW. it can't even keep up with me typing this very sentence. My iPad is making that Asus look really good right now, and I know I'm not the only iPad user who thinks so.
91. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
@whateverman.. I didn't brought it up it was networkdumb who did... saying the nexus tablet will be the ones.. just tired of that argument.. I wish they wait to see if it sells before running their mouth.... but yes you are right... that's why the next ipad.. should bring more to the table.. but Apple wouldn't do big upgrades and redesign if the other tablets don't challenge them....
101. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I think Android tablets should be a lesson in humility for Android users, so I do agree with you for the most part. When I first saw the Xoom my first thought was "WTF?!?". And I know I will not win any friends with this one, but Honeycomb was a flop! Many people like it, but I thought it was a big steamy pile similar to the one my dog just laid out this morning. So with that ...yeah, Android owners should take they wait and see approach when it comes to Android tablets. But Apple needs to evolve in their thinking and their views on competition.
The stupid little nothing arguments about over scroll bouncing, menu buttons, and rectangular shapes! These things don't make consumers choose one over the othe, so why are they suing over this bullsh*t? There are some real technologies that should be shroud be protected of course, but this is all fluff! These guys should INNOVATE! But they can't, so they sue. They make great products and they make things that already exist much better, but (and believe it or not, I'm saying this as a once Apple fan) I want to see them make something worth protecting! All they really MAKE is software! LG makes or made their screens, Samsung makes their chips, and Foxconn puts it all together. I just want to see them actually make something of their own.
102. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
trust me I am for a redesign ipad.. but I don't want to try play catch up with Android and released half baked features... I like that Apple only moves forward if the smoothness remains intact... that's why I didn't mind not having 4G.. but Apple fans are ready for 4G and Apple will deliver.. and I do want Android to succeed as I have said it before. you are only as strong as your competition..
105. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
That's why you are my dude! You may not be an Android fan, you aren't one of the fanboys that wants Android, Wp7, or any other OS to fail. Even though you will go ham every once in a while (as i have been know to do myself) I can't blame you for being an outspoken supporter of your preferred OS.
But if you get a chance, check out the Asus 300. I'm not saying its better or worse than the new iPad...but it will give you a glimps into Android's possible future.
115. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Asus 300 ok I will check it out... like I have said before talk to me smart and I will try to keep up..lol.. that's why you are the few I respect..
69. tedkord (Posts: 6532; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
The ITC needs to impose fines for bogus complaints, and damages for holdups on items which are later found not to be infringing. Stiff, heavy fines and penalties.
73. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
And what is more infuriating is that while Apple uses and abuses the US court system more than anyone, it flat out refuses to pay any taxes to contribute to it.
80. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
why is it infuriating.. do they wake u up at night. do they prevent you from living. what is it that is infuriating?...
81. hepresearch (unregistered)
I made no money this past tax year... none. Yet, I paid $12 in taxes, which my Dad graciously covered even though he struggles to pay his own taxes, and even as our mortgage company has announced that our remaining mortgage balance will be due in-full next month. Apple made billions, and paid no taxes at all. Hilarious!
Now, try asking me again why I have trouble sleeping at night...
87. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Sorry hepresearch, that really does suck!
Many people are having a tough time right now and it would only help us ALL if companies like Apple, Google, JP Morgan Chase, and others would just do what is morally right! I don't want to get into politics because that usually doesn't end well on PA, but we can't keep supporting companies that will not support the land that makes them insanely rich. We as people are approved to being invaded by any kind of parasites, so why can't we see these companies as the parasites they are to this country. Even when they donate to "charity" they write it of in taxes, so WE pay for that too!
G- King, it isn't all about who keeps you up at night. It's more about who is helping contribute to this countries well being and so far, it just us. The working middle class and the poor, who will soon become one and the same if we keep letting these companies drain us dry!
99. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
"G- King, it isn't all about who keeps you up at night. It's more about who is helping contribute to this countries well being and so far, it just us. The working middle class and the poor, who will soon become one and the same if we keep letting these companies drain us dry!"
I agreed... but hating at Apple doesn't resolve things.. we are surrounded but greedy companies, politicians.. but fandroids always points the finger at Apple... Apple didn't wrote the laws and certainly doesn't do taxes..
103. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
No they don't write the laws, but they do a great job with navigating the loopholes. Ask yourself this question, if everyone knows that Cupertino is where Apple is based...why do they base their taxes on a Nevada address? And why are the uninhabitable deserts of Nevada such a magnet for all the big US companies? Check out the loopholes that exist in that state when you get a chance. And when it comes to taxes, I've said mant times that Google is no better. Apple just makes the most noise which earns it more attention.
116. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I will answer you with a story.. my 8 year-old daughter is always trying to see what can she get away with... testing me... is my job as a parent to keep her under wraps.. is not her fault. I believe... cant blame her for trying...back to Apple. Apple is just wanting to see what can they get away with.. is like a player in football is flagged for an illegal hit and still yells at the ref knowing it was intentional.. same here... Apple is just keeping Android from getting comfortable.. think twice about releasing a device.. because Apple is watching...
is all about mind games
125. hepresearch (unregistered)
No one has been able to make Apple think twice... except maybe Microsoft, but now they're on the same team, it would seem.
94. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
ok so the world is not fair.. sorry to burst your bubble.. I understand about the taxes. but why blame Apple or any other company for doing that.. if you really want a change.. then you are barking at the wrong Apple tree.. that's all I am saying,.. and now since you understood the question please explain Jmoita2.. he is a bit slow
124. hepresearch (unregistered)
Yes, this world is not fair. However, America has long been a place where people at least had the power to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and become more if they desired to... however, I find that I am no longer in a position to do what my parents and their parents did. I live with a tortured, progressive version of that same system today, and in its new form I am getting kicked while I am down. This isn't about fairness anymore... this is about the ability to survive once you have been knocked down. I have been known to get a bit into politics on here in the past, and I will avoid being one sided here, especially because I feel that both sides of this issue have equally-reprehensible problems... I believe in the system as it was originally intended, but the people we pick to send into the cogs and wheels to drive that system are more and more broken all the time. And yes; for me to sit here and complain is rather hipocritical... when there are problems in governance of any kind, whether civic or corporate, it is the voters/consumers/stock-holders who ought to take a good long look in the mirror, and that includes me. However, I am waking up to the facts that are before me, and I am realizing the nature of this awful situation that we are in, collectively as a society. We have allowed bureaucrats and corporations to rule over us with fearful and ruthless power, and even to change how we think and perceive the world around us.
As far as I'm concerned, a government that says I will be fined (taxed) for not having health insurance even if I made no money... just because I am alive and breathing... is not much different from a corporation that is motivated by absolute greed to "grind the faces of the poor", and to "dig a pit for their neighbor". Apple, although doing many of the same things that other corporations do, is leading the way in its example of breaking the back of labor in China for pennies on the dollar, designing its products to sell like oil or diamonds, like an essential or priceless commodity, killing its enemies by gradual subterfuge, and treating its customers like crack-addicts. I can't afford their crack... I can hardly afford to put food on the dinner table, and I have no options for bettering myself as I am ineligible for student aid or loans, will be ineligible for medicaid when I get a job and not have health insurance, and will have to pay the IRS for not having health insurance just because I am alive. Thank goodness I might have some money by then to pay them so they don't cart me off to prison for tax evasion.
You remind us that life is not fair, and that is true, but you fail to mention that for some, life is a lot more fair because they are privileged to be in, and stoop to the abuse of, excessive power. So, to borrow and paraphrase a line from George Orwell, "All [people] are equal, but some [people] are more 'equal' than others"...
82. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)
So what Apple thinks everyone who was planning on getting a HTC one phone will buy an iPhone now? HA if I can't have my EVO LTE, then hello gs111.