Apple calls out HTC's entire One series in its third ITC complaint
Well folks, the saga continues as Apple quietly rolled out a third complaint to the ITC on June 4th! At heart, this new filing is still calling out HTC’s violation of patents regarding “data tapping.” Very recently, HTC began selling the HTC One X and EVO 4G LTE after they mentioned that they modified the software so that it didn’t infringe upon Apple’s patents.
However, it appears as though Apple still believes that HTC is still infringing on the patents – despite HTC’s claims of not doing it anymore. Therefore, this third complaint to the ITC takes aim on a wider range of HTC devices (29 to be exact) – including the beloved One series. If the complaint is validated by the ITC, we could potentially see yet another lengthy ban of HTC devices being imported into the country.
No doubt, it’s going to hurt HTC if this latest complaint goes through, but in the end, it’s simply consumers who will be affected most. So what do you think about all of this? If anyone is seriously thinking about getting any of the One series smartphones, you’d better snag on the chance now.
source: FOSS patents via Phonescoop
1. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 801; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)
Apple just needs to just start being innovative.....I will never buy there product, they are just anti competitive at this point. Since they have no innovation they try back door tactics. This will not increase sales because I will buy anything but apple.
42. jove39 (Posts: 1206; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Actually...they buy innovative ideas and slap their name on it...latest example is Siri...Apple kind a sucks!
71. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 801; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)
Time to flood their web site and or face book sites with disapproving messages
90. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 2846; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Jealous that Siri far outperforms anything done on Android voice activation?
100. PapaSmurf (Posts: 6631; Member since: 14 May 2012)
You're defending a feature on the 4S that's worthless? How do you feel?
111. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)
bet that you wont tell that to Nick Fury's face... now how do you feel?...
122. PapaSmurf (Posts: 6631; Member since: 14 May 2012)
You must not know me but I actually would.
Anything else Gallito?
128. Raymond_htc (Posts: 430; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)
Hah. Joke. Siri only recognizes voices with American accent. i am from Singapore... i can speak english fluently and my Siri doesn't seems to recognize my voice.. how can you say it outperforms whats in android devices?! at least any app from the play store that is like siri, recognizes my voice..... Siri is bad.. and ur so defensive........its unusable in most parts of the world...
Any last words, Appleboy?
109. WakaFlakaD (Posts: 352; Member since: 30 Apr 2011)
Yes, but they make it popular. What can you do? Anything with an apple logo is popular. This is just how it is! Gotta accept it
88. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 2846; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
You mean HTC? They are the ones violating Apple's patents.
129. Raymond_htc (Posts: 430; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)
BOO HOOOO! HTC FTW! APPLE IS JUST BEING A SORE LOSER! SUEING HERE AND THERE, THINKING THEY CAN WIN ALL LAWSUITS... if this is how it works, THIS WORLD IS LAWLESSS!
98. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 239; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
It'll catch up to them, one day the courts will get tired of Apple crying wolf and will just ignore them.
110. miguel6632 (Posts: 21; Member since: 25 May 2012)
down grade th camera of the 4s and slow it down a bit what do u get a original iphone!! well at least you can change the background now lol
112. deeoh1084 (Posts: 48; Member since: 30 Dec 2009)
i wonder who gave you a thumb down (there's only 1 thumb down LOL) but seriously why can't apple just leave everyone alone?? especially Samsung & HTC!!! they need to stop acting like a baby
117. durag1 (Posts: 15; Member since: 29 May 2012)
I definitely agree qwikstrike. Apple is actually behind I think because of dual core 800mhz processor while all other brands are alot faster. Galaxy is 1.5Ghz. 3.5" screen size on apple is to small for me. I just pre order samsung s3 (4.8") and had htc evo 4g but new evo 4g lte had no option for changing battery. Couldn't even take battery out. As for Apple, I think it is really stupid on they're part, or anybody elses, for not allowing customers to upgrade battery or memory card themselves. Would never ever buy a apple product for that reason. Had several friends that went with the fad of iphone and hated it for that reason. They change after 2yr. agreement and said they wouldn't go back ever. Apple sucks in my opinion. Aren't they made in china where you can find those top of the line hand tools? Nothing made here anymore. Can't wait for my Galaxy S3 to get here!!!!!
127. iphonehater (Posts: 4; Member since: 18 Jan 2012)
ill buy an apple product .just to break it
131. Raymond_htc (Posts: 430; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)
Play golf with it, using the iPhone as the ball.
i would call this the iGolf.
I want to see an iPhone smash into little shards of metal and glass.
2. BREvenson (Posts: 190; Member since: 17 May 2012)
Here we go again...Apple wasted time and money trying to prove HTC violated their patents, what makes them think it's going to work this time?
Apple continues to prove they are nothing but technology bullies, complaining and suing all these other companies because people are wanting to buy competitor's devices and not theirs. It's getting ridiculous, and it's not making Apple look any better.
5. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 801; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)
No question about it...I remember that the pocket pc phone as being the 1st touch phone...I bet they didn't patent anything that that phone did.
Apple revolutionized the way the phone works and now can't go beyond that. They stuck with a 3.5" device that even now has fallen behind size wise.
They were a leader by improving how the touch device worked, but touch was on the pocket pc 1st.
10. BREvenson (Posts: 190; Member since: 17 May 2012)
Oh, and I checked the list of devices brought up for violation; it's pretty much EVERY phone HTC made within the last year. They are trying to eliminate HTC completely...what a greedy, powermongering joke of a company. They won't be happy until they decimate the competition and take everything for themselves.
I regret ever buying or using any Apple products in my lifetime, and I encourage everyone else to do the same.
35. PAPINYC (Posts: 2044; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
Even with "data tapping" (or, without), I still don't understand how apple feels violated. HTC phones are capable of so much more than Apple iPhones; HTC phones are twice as big as Apple iPhones; Apple iPhones use only iTunes, while HTC phones use Beats® (not iBeats)with Real Surround Sound; some HTC phones also come with red headphones (or red/black), while all iPhones come with Martha Stewart White® headphones. And, then there's the huge software difference: Android and Sense are just so much more effective and efficient.
126. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
well.. it is working for apple.. somehow htc has gone down fast in profitability-- and holdups like what apple does are extremely disastrous for htc… the one x is a superb so it is not the device
3. Mitchel (Posts: 228; Member since: 25 May 2012)
Apple is just a disgusting company, so is their isheep followers.. They are afraid that those gorgeous HTC One series will affect the iPhone's market share on their beloved country.. But don't worry HTC, Samsung Galaxy S III will put the entire Android fanbase & community on it's shoulder on US.. lol
4. Hlorri (Posts: 37; Member since: 07 May 2008)
Apple has more disregard for other companies patents than anyone -- nearly everything releated to the lower level technical details of the air interface in the iPhone is "stolen" from Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola and others. At the same time they are obsessed about protecting the user facing elements (skin, navigation, etc) of their iPhones, e.g. the form factor etc.
Clearly, they are stifling innovation overall, and hastening the day when the US patent system (and now also EU) is collapsing on its own weight. It will get worse before it gets better.
7. Allen3697 (Posts: 86; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)
Apple needs to give up. Everyone is tired of this sh*t.
33. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
This has gotten beyond ridiculous!!! It's to the point that if aliens from another world landed here with their own breed of super advanced hand held devices, Apple would sue them.
89. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 2846; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
I know. We're tired of Android OEMs stealing patented designs and not wanting to pay royalties for.
97. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
Actually, you are tired of not being able to compete on an even playing field. But instead of being a better player you keep bitching and moaning to the referee, screaming: Not fair, not fair!!!
114. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)
it will never be even. because on OS is open and the other closed.. so tell me again how you expect to be even.. hmmmm
8. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Don't start none won't be none. Take care of business AAPL and punish these thieves
11. Tux4g63 (Posts: 114; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
I think this situation perfectly illuminates the Apple corporate stance that "might equals right."
13. leftheodo (Posts: 62; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
Taco do me a favor, pull down your notification bar, use your voice commands (aka siri), sync with iCloud, access your camera directly from the lock screen and think again WHO'S THE THIEF HERE!
16. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Siri is nothing like android voice commands. Apple has had cloud services since 2001. I'm not familiar with android's lock screen camera options.
I'll give you notifications. Apple is guilty there, but that's one feature while androids OS is an iOS copy down to the core.
23. -box- (Posts: 3566; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
If I could give you half a thumbs up I would, taco, because the last paragraph was accurate.
As for cloud services, I dunno what apple had ten years ago, but the way they advertise icloud it's something new and exciting.
While android's VC isn't as advanced as Siri, VC tech had been in development by multiple companies for decades; siri was originally Nuance's app which apple bought and modified, and Nuance's version itself was a product of decades of DARPA research, so it isn't truly an apple product.
The lock screen stuff is straight from other OSes, namely Android, so apple is guilty there, too
26. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you are really going into these same tired arguements? really? go back and google those cloud services and shut it.
30. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
It's a fact you'll have to deal with.
38. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
It's a fact that was proven wrong to you over and over. a taco talking about facts, where does the taco hold a brain to even talk about facts. stick to carne asada, or whatever flavor you're in, carne asada preferably so you'll be somewhat likeable to me.
64. hepresearch (unregistered)
Maybe that's the problem... too much filler, and not enough real meat in the "beef"... sometimes I wonder if taco's mind has just a bit too much "pink slime" gumming up the works...
50. hepresearch (unregistered)
Yes, taco... you've made it quite clear that, in your opinion, it is our "fact" "to deal with"...
This is like two neighbors sitting in their lawn chairs in their adjacent back yards... taco is the neighbor who shovels up his dog's poo, fills paper bags full of this ever-more-abundant dog poop, lights them on fire, and yells to the other side "This is for YOU to deal with!" as he lobs the things, one by one, into the adjacent back yard... very neighborly, indeed...
Apple is going to win this. There is little doubt at this point. As many people with power believe, "he who has the gold makes the rules!" People like me no longer get as much of a say in this ever-less-free "free market", and right now Apple 'has the gold.' Apple has the money to make sure that this charge will eventually stick, no matter how rediculous, and no matter who has to be rewarded (bribed) to get it done. And so, with this system in place, Apple will be feeding the gold into taco's 'dog' all the more as time passes... and out will come the poop for taco's flaming-poop-bag-slinging entertainment at everyone else's expense...
And in taco's case, "he who has the dog poop lobs the flaming bags..."
54. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Other news today, taco Bell will be taking on chipotle with cantina Bell menu. Good job taco, that's how you stick with your expertise.
61. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
Absolutely hilarious!!!!! Sad part is, the analogy scarily accurate.......
14. BREvenson (Posts: 190; Member since: 17 May 2012)
Had a feeling you would be showing up. You've had some smart things to say recently, but it doesn't look like today will be your day.
Apple may have the patents, but by doing this, they are just proving that they are overzealous nitwits who can't stand to see any other phone succeed for whatever reason. It's one stupid little patent, and they're going all apes*** about it. Most of their technology wasn't even theirs to begin with, so I don't see what makes them so high-and-mighty.
17. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
With an aviator like yours we know clearly how objective you are
24. BREvenson (Posts: 190; Member since: 17 May 2012)
I believe "avatar" is the word you are looking for. Did auto-correct mess that one up for you?
As for the avatar, yes. It sums up my feelings, much like yours does. Mine, however, seems a little more popular around here based on the comments I am seeing today.
27. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Yes there is a small group of very loud android fanatics on this website. It's mostly employees of cell phone companies that worked for someone other than AT&T and were taught to hate the iPhone.
The brain washing has stuck.
58. hepresearch (unregistered)
Yes, taco... and I'm sure you and your Apple extremist... ahem... I mean, friends, are celebrating the great "fairness" of the system in this potential judgment as you watch the original "1984-esque" Apple commercial from back in the day over and over again, wear "Che" T-shirts, and otherwise fantisize that you are the new "freedom fighters" of our digital day and age... and that you are all so unique and creative because you all share the same phone in common... but certainly with slightly different app selections and lock-screen wallpapers... and you will all be standing in line together, joyously and with much rejoicing, for hours and hours in front of the local Apple store when the iPhone 5 gets released. Sounds very yummy.
113. miguel6632 (Posts: 21; Member since: 25 May 2012)
dude im a cell phone emloyee we sell iphones for all companies we dont carry tmobile and guess what its still dont like it had 2 of them and i got tired of upgradeing to the same phone over and over again. when the 4s came out i was like im getting it then i saw that the camera was 8 mp like my 2 year old evo no 4 g like the thunderbolt .3mp in the front not 2 like the galaxy. why would i buy this phone taco??
68. hepresearch (unregistered)
I want an aviator... I like airplanes...
15. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i see taco has had his morning drop on his head...
19. Sniggly (Posts: 6491; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Man, just screw off. I'm tired of your bulls**t. I really am.
When HTC sets out to specifically design a phone so that it doesn't infringe on Apple's patents, and Apple still files a complaint (because the phone series is SELLING) you don't see anything wrong with it?
Just...seriously, go to hell. I'm done.
21. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Clearly they're still infringing. I'd suggest HTC switch to windows phones which is an original product.
28. Sniggly (Posts: 6491; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
What the hell are they infringing on, dumbass?
You don't even f**king know.
Because clearly, to you, anything else that dares employ rows of icons HAS to be infringing on Apple's magical patents.
Just shut up. Shut the f**k up. I am so, so tired of your bulls**t.
47. rob5150 (Posts: 88; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
i just laughed to myself about the patent apple talks about icons arranged on a screen.
when i first installed windows 95, and i arranged all my shortcuts on the screen to be neat and tidy.
Then if i can find my screenshot i had back in 1995.
Which i printed out on my dot-matrix printer and then distributed to my friends.
Then is that enough to show that it wasnt original when apple did it?
these patents are crazy, why doesnt a Hammer company sue another hammer company for putting a handle on a hammerhead which facilitates the user wrapping their palm and hand around it in a fashion that resembles making a fist. then being able to swing said hammer at a nail head. (which then in turns must be protected by the same idea of patent law that the hammer is, since the nail is designed in such a fashion so that my free hand and fingers are able to nimbly hold it while aforementioned hammer strikes it.
74. hepresearch (unregistered)
It is truly rediculous, and everyone does this stupidity, but Apple gets the global pass because of the common assumption, especially within the ranks and fans of Apple, that "only Apple is capable of innovating!" What we end up with is anyone else who tries to innovate gets their ideas "borrowed" by Apple, who claims it to be their own innovation (because, clearly, only Apple can innovate these days), and then slams the actual inventor for infringment. Any time new technology is developed by some other company, I cannot begin to tell you how many times I hear someone say "They stole that from Apple!"
72. hepresearch (unregistered)
How is Windows Phone an original product when most true Apple enthusiast folks have long remembered that Microsoft "borrowed" the idea of the GUI from Apple's Lisa and MacIntosh computers? If everything Apple claimed was true, or got litigated in their favor, then our entire digital world ought to be owned solely by Apple already. Instead, Apple picks winners and losers, and freely uses other corporations' inventions in their own designs, then claiming themselves to be the "innovator" of such technology. Either a) Apple should boldly claim ownership of the whole dang shootin' match, or b) leave others alone to innovate for themselves. Either way, Apple should stop their sadistic and biased practice of picking who not to litigate against (who gets a total pass, like Sony and Microsoft) and who to litigate against (who gets nailed with 'the book', like Samsung and HTC and, vicariously, Google). Any continuation of the status-quo by Apple is nothing short of complete hipocrisy!
76. -box- (Posts: 3566; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
@taco hi, I'd like to introduce you to HD7, Titan, and Titan II. They're Windows Phones made by HTC! Apple still thinks they're somehow infringing.
121. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5645; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
I suggest u STFU for once bout HTC/SAMSUNG
51. networkdood (Posts: 5546; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
So, by punishing the thieves, you mean APPLE?