Apple beats HTC in patent infringement case; HTC becomes top U.S. smartphone seller
So was the S3 Graphics deal a waste of $300 million for HTC? It is still too early to tell as S3 still has an open case pending against Apple at the ITC, revclving around 4 patents it claims Apple illegally used. HTC itself has two cases against Apple pending, dealing with patents that the manufacturer received from Google. At the same time, the ITC is reviewing a ruling made by an agency judge that HTC infringed on a pair of Apple patents. A decision on that case is due December 6th and could also include a review on a prior judge's ruling that cleared Apple of infringing on HTC patents.
Separately, HTC became the top selling smartphone brand in the U.S. during the third quarter, replacing Samsung. According to research firm Canalys, the Taiwan based firm had a 24% share of the smartphone market in the States during Q3 followed by the 21% belonging to Samsung and the 20% owned by Apple. Gartner says total smartphone sales in the States rose 42% in the period.
source: Bloomberg via Phandroid
1. ZEUS.the.thunder.god posted on 22 Nov 2011, 22:37 7 4
wtf P.A. ???? where does it say that apple beats HTC ? they barely managed to save their a$$. also apple is #3 now. congrats.
48. Lucas777 posted on 23 Nov 2011, 19:24 0 0
um they won the case... go ask the judge if u dont believe it... this is what htc for trying to bail themselves out with everyone elses patents
3. Sniggly posted on 22 Nov 2011, 23:06 5 11
It's amazing how far HTC has come in just a decade. Just like with Samsung, any losses to Apple in the courts will be a temporary setback.
15. taco50 (banned) posted on 23 Nov 2011, 01:13 9 3
So whenever Apple wins its "temporary" and when an android vendor wins its forever right?
Also Apple's patents are a joke while any other companies are totally legit.
17. Sniggly posted on 23 Nov 2011, 01:22 4 10
It's harder to invent a new standard for radio communication than it is to change a gesture on a touchscreen or to change an aesthetic aspect of a design. Hey, if Apple does it, fantastic. But I won't hold my breath. They've never been very good at the "phone" part of "iPhone" even with millions saved in R&D by ripping off of the decades Motorola and Nokia put into development.
22. taco50 (banned) posted on 23 Nov 2011, 01:31 8 5
Forever the hypocrite. For everything Apple is ripping off they're being ripped off.
24. E.N. posted on 23 Nov 2011, 02:01 5 0
I don\'t know too much about the standard for radio communication, but I do know that those gestures is one of the reasons for Apple\'s and Android\'s success and not so much the radio communication. You talk of the gestures as if they\'re an underwhelming feature but the fact is that it was a big freaking deal when it first became available. But now that\'s its on every single smartphone nowadays, its easily taken for granted.
25. taco50 (banned) posted on 23 Nov 2011, 02:03 7 3
According to sniggly gestures were just common sense and pretty much anybody could have came up with them. I wonder why he didn't bring them to market...
30. remixfa posted on 23 Nov 2011, 09:12 1 8
according to taco,
if steve jobs didnt invent it.. it doesnt exist.
26. Whateverman posted on 23 Nov 2011, 02:39 1 8
Well every single phone, including the iPhone, can zoom using a double tap, on screen keyboards, a single finger to scroll and place a curser. Why is it okay for the iPhone to use those features, totally thought up and implemented by other companies, but it isn't okay for other companies to use gestures? What exactly is the difference?
33. taco50 (banned) posted on 23 Nov 2011, 11:31 4 1
iPhone brought the double tap to market first.
43. Whateverman posted on 23 Nov 2011, 14:09 1 5
I believe that was possible on Windows first. But still what about the rest of my statement? Why should Apple be allow to use these features that came before the iPhone?
4. gallitoking posted on 22 Nov 2011, 23:08 10 8
typical fandroids... disputing evidence,,, when not in favor of Android... that is getting old.. please come with different excuses.. if you think PA is not accurate .. please leave PA... and shut your pie holes.... #3 now that is disputable,,, I dont see any HTC phones in back order do you?...
5. Whateverman posted on 22 Nov 2011, 23:33 2 11
\"I dont see any HTC phones in back order do you?...\"
I guess that\'s just a benefit of having many different models.
8. gallitoking posted on 23 Nov 2011, 00:07 6 3
yes there .. why cause a commotion when a new model will come out next month,.. you are right... why even bother do a commercial.. will be replace within 2 weeks with a new model....
27. Whateverman posted on 23 Nov 2011, 02:53 3 10
Different strokes for different folks my friend. So HTC makes different form factors for those with different needs. Some people need a larger screen, while some think 3.7 is perfect. Some who need keyboards while others want touch screens. Either way, they are meeting the needs of a huge number of smartphone users who just wanted or needed something different. There's nothing wrong with that, right?
34. gallitoking posted on 23 Nov 2011, 11:33 4 0
I understand that.... Android and Apple are for 2 different poeple.. if that is true.. why do fandroids brag that they have 4g, 4"screens, etc.... leaves us alone.. we dont care... we trust Apple wil give us... 4G when they feel is stable.. and will give us 4 inch screen .. when we dont have to sacrifice our retina display..
28. iamcc posted on 23 Nov 2011, 07:55 2 10
I love how you Apple people make it seem like a BENEFIT that Apple only releases a new phone once a year.
It cracks me up. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing but you guys seriously believe that anyone who releases phones more often than that is stupid.
EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT! For me, I buy about 2-3 phones a year. Not because I have to, but I like new things.
It would kill me to wait 12-16 months waiting for the next model.
35. gallitoking posted on 23 Nov 2011, 11:34 4 0
well most people are not like you... so just because you are different. doesnt mean that we need to follow your pattern... the average for people to get new phone is 20 months... so good for you... now lets pay our attention to average people...
42. Whateverman posted on 23 Nov 2011, 14:04 0 8
If some Apple fans brag about every little thing about their iPhones, why is it that a little bragging about a 4 inch screen so hard to swallow? I've seen a retina display next to a AMOLED display, I call it a draw. Both looked great, both we're sharp, but retina display come up short when what I want is a big screen. So you don't have to sacrifice anything, but don't make it seem as though I am.
45. Johnny_Mnemonic posted on 23 Nov 2011, 18:43 0 0
@Gallito stop your crying you follow a apples pattern that's cause you don't have free will you only have Apple will sorry you only get one poorly design
6. Phonatic posted on 22 Nov 2011, 23:42 3 0
How can you tell people who think PA is not accurate to leave, and in the same breath claim PA is wrong on when they say Apple is #3 and HTC is #1? Does that mean you're leaving, or is PA right about Apple being #3?
7. GeekMovement posted on 22 Nov 2011, 23:43 3 11
it means he's too stupid, words can't express his stupidity because as far as I'm concerned, apple fans are just the same if not worse.
10. gallitoking posted on 23 Nov 2011, 00:11 7 3
"apple fans are just the same if not worse."
to judge all Apple fans.... makes you even dumber than I thought..... sorry will leave you alone.. it might be contagious
11. Scuba_Steve posted on 23 Nov 2011, 00:55 6 12
Gallitoking, don't you judge all Android fans?
If your comment (#4) was aimed at Zeus then you should know he's pure troll and nobody likes him. *So assuming he's like all fandroids isn't right.
Sniggly's comment was entirely based off of the article which you claim to be as "accurate" so there was no point in trying to call him out.
13. gallitoking posted on 23 Nov 2011, 01:07 8 3
hey Scuba steve... the ones I judge... they know who they are.... and Zeus has issues... sorry but i dont think all fandroids are alike... with some i do have decent conversations... with Sniggly.. he all right.. him and remix are like Pinky and the Brain... in conquest to destroy Apple.... not sure who is Pinky and who is Brain..... BTW I liked you SS in big Daddy..... good night....
9. gallitoking posted on 23 Nov 2011, 00:09 8 4
dude I didnt even bother to read your post.... read the 1st 3 words before you bored me..... to answer those 3 words.... you can argue about our opinions.. but to come here and discredit a website based on your unbiased opinion,,, hmmm I have Dr. Phill on line 4
19. GeekMovement posted on 23 Nov 2011, 01:25 2 12
apple fans are unbiased they are fair and reasonable, sorry, I should have known that all along when reading comments throughout this website...
23. p0rkguy posted on 23 Nov 2011, 01:48 2 11
Do you always sound like a little ignorant bitch every time you post?
Do you even know the definition of the words you\'re using? Please educate yourself before using words you don\'t understand.
Apple being #3 is disputable?
If PA isn\'t accurate, you have the right to leave. To say one fact isn\'t disputable and Apple being #3 is? Get lost.
37. gallitoking posted on 23 Nov 2011, 11:39 4 0
listen porky... I live and go as i please... i dont go around b***ing.. or crying that PA needs this and that... sorry I cant get lost... as i have GPS in my phone and car.. but what I can do is..... stay here for your viewing pleasure
12. Sniggly posted on 23 Nov 2011, 00:58 2 12
Why is it that iFanboys are the only ones constantly begging those with opposing viewpoints to shut up, leave, stop talking, or asking for those same people to be banned?
And Gallito, it's easy to get your phones to sell out when you only provide maybe five or six units at a time. At our store that's about as many as we get in a given shipment from Apple. On the other hand, the iPhone 4's and 3GS's we have are mostly collecting dust now.
20. Scuba_Steve posted on 23 Nov 2011, 01:27 2 9
The whole back ordering seems pretty smart actually. Our location never received any 4s, pre oder only. So when they don't want to wait, they get the 4 and now we have no iPhones.
The flip side though, people will get into an android phone because they want the latest and greatest. So it's a double edge sword they're playing with.
I do wanna clarify though, it's not that all are willing to wait but they think they can pick one up anywhere.
38. gallitoking posted on 23 Nov 2011, 11:46 4 0
listen Sniggly 4 units??.. is not black friday ok... havent you heard how many iphones were sold in launch day?.. or the following weekend.. up to date??.. the high demand for the iphone?... having the iphone in back order is a privilege that only Apple can do... I would love to see Chamsung try it.. to see how it would back fire... dont hate Sniggly...
29. remixfa posted on 23 Nov 2011, 09:11 0 12
lol gallito. your funny
this was quarter 3. how many i4s's were launched in Q3? when will you iTrolls actually learn to read.
39. gallitoking posted on 23 Nov 2011, 11:48 4 0
sorry remix.. but I only read that I am funny... I didnt catch the rest... sorry not interested in what you have to say....
46. Johnny_Mnemonic posted on 23 Nov 2011, 18:53 0 0
@gallito you say that cuase your ignorant like taco
14. taco50 (banned) posted on 23 Nov 2011, 01:12 9 3
Looks like patent trolling didn't work out for HTC. Just fandroids fail at trolling on PA.
16. ardent1 posted on 23 Nov 2011, 01:20 2 11
I said it before and I will say it again. HTC's spending $300 million for S3 was DUMB move. Image how many patent applications $300 million could have funded.
On the technology front, it's about innovation and you got to out-innovate your competitors. Apple has a slide to unlock, Google has a maze like unlock feature, and the innovation war continues. Nothing is stopping Google or any android OEMs to invent patents that go around Apple's or MicroSoft's exisitng patents.
Apple has $80 billion in cash and cash equivalent and marketable securities for a reason -- creating something new is EXPENSIVE.
18. Sniggly posted on 23 Nov 2011, 01:23 2 12
The other reason they have those cash reserves is because they haven't had to create anything new for years, and they've taken full advantage of that. :P
21. taco50 (banned) posted on 23 Nov 2011, 01:30 8 2
That's a dumb statement. Apple has been the most innovative company this last decade. Rumors are they're now working on a tv.
31. remixfa posted on 23 Nov 2011, 09:13 0 9
holey cow!?! apple is going to invent TV too!?!? our lives are going to change forever!!!!!!
innovative means they created new things.. not marketed off things that already existed as "magical"
the most innovative thing they have done in the last decade or so is iTunes which changed the way the music industry works. The rest of it is just creative rehashing.
32. Sniggly posted on 23 Nov 2011, 11:15 0 10
Did Apple invent the computer? Nope. The smartphone? Nope. The touchscreen smartphone? Nope. The tablet PC? Hell no. The MP3 player? Don't make me laugh.
So what completely unique product has Apple invented?
36. taco50 (banned) posted on 23 Nov 2011, 11:34 5 1
Apple made the first personal computer that was sold in mass. They came out with the first GUI on a pc
First online music store
iPod changed the market
iPhone is now the standard and copied by all other phones
Let's get it together Apple has redefined several markets.
50. InspectorGadget80 posted on 23 Nov 2011, 21:36 0 0
The first computer was by Hp Xerox Alto 1973 First Apple Computer 1977. You should do some reasearch first taco. APPLE doesnt always came out with products first.
40. gallitoking posted on 23 Nov 2011, 11:55 5 0
"Sniggly it seems that you have confused invention with innovation.. read thsi to help you" ...... dont thank me...
An invention is a novel composition, device, or process. An invention may be derived from a pre-existing model or idea, or it could be independently conceived, in which case it may be a radical breakthrough
Innovation is the creation of better or more effective products, processes, technologies, or ideas that are accepted by markets, governments, and society. Innovation differs from invention in that innovation refers to the use of a new idea or method, whereas invention refers more directly to the creation of the idea or method itself.
47. Johnny_Mnemonic posted on 23 Nov 2011, 19:03 0 0
@taco how much is Apple paying you ? Let me guess. 5 apples a day jajajajajajaja
49. InspectorGadget80 posted on 23 Nov 2011, 21:30 0 0
And yet they will sue other tv manufacturers when tvs already have built in WiFi and apps.