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Apple asks court to sanction Samsung for leaking word of secret Nokia-Apple patent license

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Apple asks court to sanction Samsung for leaking word of secret Nokia-Apple patent license
According to a filing made by Apple Wednesday in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, Samsung executives received top secret information from the Korean OEM's attorneys. In the filing, Apple alleges that documents marked "Highly Confidential — Attorneys’ Eyes Only," which contained information about an Apple-Nokia patent license, were handed to some top officials at Samsung. The documents were not to have gone to anyone who was not a member of Samsung's outside legal team.

U.S. Magistrate Paul Grewal, whose name has been mentioned by us many times before pertaining to Apple and Samsung legal issues, has set up a hearing for October 22nd. Before that date, Samsung executive Dr. Seungho Ahn, who was one of the recipients of the un-redacted confidential material, must sit for a deposition. Ahn, who is likely to take a real grilling from Apple's legal team, apparently used the confidential Apple-Nokia information in an attempt to win better terms from Nokia during Samsung's licensing negotiations with the Finnish based firm. Apple is asking the court to sanction Samsung for its actions.

"According to a declaration from Nokia’s Chief Intellectual Property Officer, Paul Melin, on June 4, 2013, in a meeting between Samsung and Nokia licensing executives, Dr. Seungho Ahn informed Nokia that the terms of the Apple-Nokia license were known to him. Specifically, according to Mr. Melin, Dr. Ahn stated that Apple had produced the Apple-Nokia license in its litigation with Samsung, and that Samsung’s outside counsel had provided his team with the terms of the Apple-Nokia license.

Mr. Melin recounts that to prove to Nokia that he knew the confidential terms of the Apple-Nokia license, Dr. Ahn recited the terms of the license, and even went so far as to tell Nokia that “all information leaks.” Mr. Melin also reports that Dr. Ahn and Samsung then proceeded to use his knowledge of the terms of the Apple- Nokia license to gain an unfair advantage in their negotiations with Nokia, by asserting that the Apple-Nokia terms should dictate terms of a Samsung-Nokia license."
-Apple's filing with the U.S. District Court



source: Scribd, FOSSPatents via AllThingsD

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posted on 03 Oct 2013, 12:52 16

1. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


Typical Sammy, do whatever they can to snoop their noses in for the next biggest direction for their devices.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:15 4

8. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


your supporting samsung!!!! all they have done here is exposed some documents which lets face it arent that important and if anything make for a more exciting news day!!

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:23 4

10. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


aren't that important you say? Read comment #5 by Googler. I really don't wanna spell it out to you.

Too many "!" , stop being so amazed all the time lol. Contrary to your beliefs, there are people who have a rational opinion on matters that exceeds your bounds of understanding.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:30 4

11. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


haha, your unbelievable dude, are you that blind how does goooglers comment say anything about the importance of the information! Personally im glad samsung does this stops Nokia and Apple teaming up which means more competition!

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:33 3

12. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


you're* , thought it was a typo with your previous post... His/Her Comment #5 is practical. You are being defensive, which proves the aforesaid point.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 14:00 3

17. dsDoan (Posts: 233; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)


How is a patent license the next biggest direction?

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 14:19 1

20. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


you must be bats**t crazy wtf are you talking about? what is not important???

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 14:30 3

22. Jobayer (Posts: 167; Member since: 22 Feb 2013)


okey if u dont like this news dont read it and u dont need to comment on it either ,read other articles -_-.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 16:01 1

28. umadden (banned) (Posts: 90; Member since: 14 Apr 2013)


Don't bother, he's a retard.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 16:29 1

30. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Look at it this way. NOKIA is sharing the BED with Apple. Samsung just exposed it so the gigolo is upset over it. So now SAMSUNG should SUE NOKIA for leaking it back to Apple?

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:00

2. softfurryanus (banned) (Posts: 232; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)


Uhhhhhhhh... these again?

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:03 8

3. lthawker (Posts: 3; Member since: 05 Sep 2013)


Commoon...apple...try to be man...stop crying...

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:14 1

6. THE.DARK.KNIGHT (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 09 Sep 2013)


Apple looks very cheap right? Try to think from the company's point of view. If you owned (I know it's a public limited company) apple and if apple was your company you would find ways of spoiling things for your competitors

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:56 5

16. madmikepr (Posts: 138; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)


i see your point of view but apple sometimes they not trying to defend there trying to eliminate the competition and competition is good for the costumers if there were no competition we will be stuck with a ip3gs only with a better screen...

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 14:31

23. Jobayer (Posts: 167; Member since: 22 Feb 2013)


this is being a man i am not apple fan boy, but i believe standing up for whats wrong is maning up and not being a crying baby blaming ppl .settle everything in court not fight like some gangs :D

posted on 04 Oct 2013, 01:10 1

37. THE.DARK.KNIGHT (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 09 Sep 2013)


+1 I agree

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:04 3

4. GrapeEyes (Posts: 248; Member since: 01 Sep 2013)


As long as the consumers get amazing devices at affordable prices, I don't care!!

posted on 04 Oct 2013, 06:53

39. maysider (Posts: 38; Member since: 11 Aug 2013)


Apple is always trying to stop that.....so never support Apple or Microsoft to keep a competitive environment

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:08 14

5. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)


If that's true then SS needs to be penalized for this. Unfortunately the problem with organizations the size of Apple and SS, the money that can be levied for fines ends up being minuscule in comparison to their total overhead. If this suit is true, I'm sure there was a debate by SS on how much they can be fined compared to how much they'll gain from the information. In the end it always comes down to the money.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:14 1

7. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


good thought

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:42 7

14. jdoee100 (Posts: 334; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)


Samsung should be penalized for what?? Did Samsung infringe on Apple's patent? This is between Nokia and Samsung. I can understand Nokia asking for sanction against Samsung, but Apple?

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 16:25 5

29. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)


Try reading the article, it's not just about Nokia.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:21 3

9. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4623; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


I'm not saying anyone is in the right here, but... What kind of patents were being licensed? If they are FRAND patents (which were what Nokia brought against Apple when the two went to court), shouldn't they be licensed under the same terms as they were to Apple? That was Apple's entire argument against Samsung was that they were asking more from Apple than they were from others. So was Nokia trying to do the same thing to Samsung as what Samsung tried to do to Apple? And shouldn't Nokia be the one bringing this to the court's attention, since they will be the one affected?

This is why I have always said, they NEED a uniform system for patent licensing. If there was a set amount for what these companies could charge, the only time they'd need to go to court would be if someone was using them without permission. I just don't get why this is such an alien concept. You could have different tiers based on the importance of the patent, with different fees in each tier. F-ing simple.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:34 1

13. ibap (Posts: 772; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)


Wait a minute. Someone gave Samsung access to documents that they shouldn't have been given. So who is at fault? Apple's attorneys? Nokia's? Samsung's? It is not clear from either this piece or others I quickly looked at. If it was, as this piece states, "Samsung's outside legal team" - then they should be the ones in hot water. Or were the unredacted documents deliberately put in Samsung's face to create this situation?

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 14:47 6

26. tedkord (Posts: 12880; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


The documents were confidential and the lawyers were legally not allowed to pass the information on.

Samsung is in the wrong here and should be slapped down. Hard.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:45 3

15. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)


Big Business is ugly, but if Samsung did indeed do something illegal they need to be punished.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 14:01 1

18. MartyK (Posts: 872; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


So, let me take a stab at it:

Samsung found out that Apple & Nokia (Microsoft) had a secret agreement when it came to services and Patents.

Samsung went to Microsoft to tell them they are wrong for giving Apple a better deal then they gave Samsung.

Samsung should be penalize because they want the same or better deal as Apple is getting from Microsoft.

And Samsung is wrong how again?, because if you notice, Apple haven't try to sue Nokia for anything because the two are in bed together...Samsung done the right thing!! except I would had release to every OEMs so they can see how dirty and under handed Microsoft is ..

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 14:04

19. MartyK (Posts: 872; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


So the ONLY companies that would be push Window OS phone would be Nokia and Apple..

Could you imagine is Moto gave every OEM who use Android a discount on their frand patent and charge Apple & Microsoft a higher amount?...

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 14:38

24. Jobayer (Posts: 167; Member since: 22 Feb 2013)


dude seriously u need bio cls >_< and common sense .

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 17:35

31. MartyK (Posts: 872; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Dude seriously, you need to bring an adult arguement to the table.

Why can't you defend your position instead of childish drawing of pictures.

Common sense you say?, you apparently lack this ability, because if you have been following and reading, every arguement MS and Apple have been complaint about World Wide ( EU-US-ASIA-AfricA) HAS BEEN DIRECTED AT FRAND Abuse by MOTOROLA.

ANd to find out they have been doing a little underhand dealing and Samsung isn't supposed to speak up?..c'mon man.

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