App piracy: the good, the bad and how to reduce it
0. phoneArena 04 Jan 2013, 09:07 posted on
A surprising news emerged these days: Installous, an app for jailbroken iPhones and iPads that allowed users to install pirated apps for free, has been discontinued due to lack of enough user interest. Does that mean that people have started spending more money on apps? Is this a sign that app piracy is in decline? While the end of Installous sure is a win for developers and publishers, we feel this is a perfect occasion to share our thoughts with regards to app piracy as a whole...
This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here
1. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
I am offended
money saved = about 30 bucks
3. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3943; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Really? Why would you work around paying for something that developers took time out of their day to make for you?
They make a quality product for you that you enjoy, all they ask for is a few bucks in return for their work, and you basically give them the middle finger and cheat them out of their profit.
Hell will freeze over the day you have to pay for something that someone worked hard on, huh?
If you don't want to pay for it, don't use it.
12. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
The developers who made those apps don't even know that I exist on this planet earth
25. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3943; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I wasn't saying "you" as an individual, but "you" as a group of consumers. And the certain group of consumers that pirate apps, the group you're apart of, is the soul reason why devs don't want to make more products for the people who actually PAY for their stuff.
How does it feel to be apart of the douche group that ruins it for the rest of us? It's your fault that Android doesn't have as good of dev support as iOS.
30. etschreiber (Posts: 2; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)
While I don't particularly care one way or the other about software piracy (and I am a developer), it seems clear that on some level it is stealing. Nonetheless, to blame this guy or as you say, the group of consumers represented by this guy for a lack of good developer support for android is ridiculous.
That has been the swan song of the software industry for as long as piracy has existed. There is no difference to them if a person pirates their software or just chooses not to buy it. To assume that someone who pirates something would otherwise buy it is specious. There is a market for everything and it is the developer's job to understand the market and tap into it.
It turns out that there is a correlation between the types of people who pay for apple products and the types of people who are willing to buy lots of apps. This shouldn't be surprising as apple products tend to be luxury oriented. They tend to be polished, pretty and sold at a price premium. People willing to pay a premium for a luxury product tend to be the people who don't mind forking over a few bucks for an app.
So to blame this on piracy is ludicrous, it is simply the market segmentation of the cult of Apple. Steve Jobs once famously said, "A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." Google's mission statement on the other hand is, "to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful." Apple is about telling you what to buy and their consumers listen, Google is about making the world freely accessible. You can guess what type of person is attracted to each platform.
70. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
it feels great because i have saved a lot of cash and if i got bored with the game i could buy more useful stuffs with the money that i saved
36. notor (unregistered)
however if you would have bought those apps then they would have said that one nice guy choose the right lane & dint fall for app piracy :)
54. blazee (Posts: 254; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
That's exactly what people who hack other peoples bank accounts and steal their money say" they don't even know I exist" but they do, they know doushes like you exist and its sad that android has many of them
64. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
The bank is probably the worst place somebody can ever put their money.
68. crashvoodoo (Posts: 3; Member since: 27 Dec 2012)
Yes you are only one person but when everyone thinks like this then no one pays for anything.
How tight must one person be to not want to pay 50 to 99p for an app/game. It costs more for a can of coke.
71. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
it is only twice a year, what if you wanna play a game so badly but you've to wait months ?
73. crashvoodoo (Posts: 3; Member since: 27 Dec 2012)
Then you either pony up some credit or Play something else and wait till there is a sale.
57. ncv144 (Posts: 126; Member since: 04 May 2012)
I actually dont pirate apps because im cheap and i dont want to pay for them, but because the app stores dont allow the credit cards used in my country so if i want an app, i have to pirate it.
4. stychill (unregistered)
What you saved developers lost, sad. Lets hope everyone doesn't go the route you did and said developers have to go out of business.
6. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 847; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
So you can justify paying hundreds of dollars for a phone or tablet but not an extra 30 for great products such all those you listed..
13. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
I can by lots of yummy foods with 30 bucks at Walmart
18. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
Duh, just take a look at the music on your phone
24. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
I use spotify, its very cheap considering unlimited streaming of music.
Think as devs, you are stealing their work
20. IamTheGodfatherofCell (Posts: 33; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
I have ripped apps for years , I have over 20,000 apks stored on my tablet that I blue tooth over to phones. I originally purchased the app, saved it to the SD card, then pushed it on to other devices I had or my friends had. Some of these apps are from GameLoft and they can be pretty expensive. Of course the app is no good after they run a mandatory update, and they figure out you didnt pay for it.
But I dont see the harm, the MAJORITY of people out there dont root or jailbreak...so this is really a small issue.
31. Cynipap999 (banned) (Posts: 138; Member since: 15 Nov 2012)
I just sent myself your email in case PA strikes your comment - and, THEY WILL!!
Personally, on the Installous front, if Apple made good phones in the first place or a good OS there wouldn't be a need to Jailbreak and install it. People just need to fix their iPhones since they come severely handicapped from the factory.
32. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
An official Samsung store near my house even has a "galaxy station" in which you can put paid apks for free onto your phone
37. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
Agreed, we are the minorities not majorities, no need to worry devs.. If you bought let's say modern combat 4 for 7 bucks, you played it, you finished it and bam, what can you do with it? In the end you will get bored with it and uninstall it to save some space, which means your burning your money, and then you but another one and so on, it can cost you a fortune
Its like video game virtual money, you buy it with real crap which you can touch and smell but you get nothing
65. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
You make a terrible example out of pirates.
I support piracy, it really depends on seller.
ie. Gameloft games go for $0.99 couple times a year, don't pay anymore than that. When they ask for over 100% of its lowest, it deserves to be pirated.
29. SonyXperiaNexus (Posts: 374; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)
well... that can also be argued another way: ive already paid hundreds of dollars for my phone or tablet and i dont want to spend a single dollar more. app piracy is kinda like smoking, you know its bad but people still do it
38. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
This is exactly what I mean, I could but a new phone or tablet with that amount of money instead of burning it by buying crap
49. blazee (Posts: 254; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
People don't smoke for free unless you're a bum and bum cigarettes of others. Stealing apps instead of paying for them is more like stealing cigarettes and justyfing it by " well they are bad for you anyway so why should I pay for them"
7. Muhannad (Posts: 455; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
You really gotta put yourself in the dev's position, imagine you work hard to make a really good game or app and people end up pirating it. You would be genuinely disappointed plus piracy is what drives devs away from a certain platform.
33. etschreiber (Posts: 2; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)
I'm pretty sure that devs mostly care about how many people buy their app, not how many people pirate it. Blaming poor sales on piracy is simply a way for someone who made an uncompelling app to feel better about themselves.
8. nnaatthhaannx2 (Posts: 820; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
or you could be an effective shopper and spend no more than $10 when those apps go on sale.
10. ultimatebatman (Posts: 52; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
So you love Gameloft and Rockstar games but refuse to pay for them? If everyone was a moron like you, do you think we'd ever see MC5? I don't understand morons who can't spend $7 on a full featured game, not counting that they are often on sale.
11. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
Don't blame me, not my fault, you can put the blame on those so-called "blapkmarket' site for providing free stuffs,
Let's take a look at the music on your phone
26. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
Why don't you blame yourself for opening it. You sounds like a spoiled brat from south east asia (lots of south east asia country, except singapore pirate things all the time)
35. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
Such a hypocrite, I'm not paying for a crap that I can't even touch it, nuff said!
41. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
You live in the same country as me, i know.. @rickywinataa
44. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
And the sad thing is the one who looks like a spoiled brat from SEA is yourself, got a diarrhea on a Christmas huh?
77. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
we're talking about south east asia not south asia, india lies in south asia
56. Zero0 (Posts: 583; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
That's like helping yourself to everything in someone's house because the door was left unlocked.
And then you jump to the conclusion that everyone is a music pirate. Nice. Very nice.
14. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
And no I'm not paying for something that I can't even touch it or smell it, it's not worthy enough,
50. blazee (Posts: 254; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
You're clearly just kid and you don't have a job or probably never did either. Im glad not everyone is like you bc movie stars musicians, Google, and everyone in the computer and entertainment Industry would be working for free
66. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
and besides..purchasing apps are not available in my country, there is no google play in my country, so i have to pirate it xD
58. Zero0 (Posts: 583; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Exactly the reason that identity theft shouldn't be a crime! You can't physically hold someone's bank account, so what's the problem with taking all of their savings?
15. vignesh_viggs (Posts: 34; Member since: 15 Jun 2012)
C'mon..If you continue this .. they'll(developers) will stop making innovative Apps and Games ..Let's support them By purchasing Original version.!!
60. mariosraptor (Posts: 108; Member since: 15 Mar 2012)
I believe you are just an Apple troll that just want to make Android platform and it's users look like they support piracy.
Android users support piracy less than Apple users cause most of us know this OS and the work that devs put into making this even better.
But instead ios users cry for a jailbreak cause they spen a ton of money to buy a product that should cost no more than 300 bucks.
63. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
Oh really? I don't even have any apple products, in fact, this comment was posted with my Galaxy Nexus
72. soshi (Posts: 154; Member since: 08 Mar 2012)
First time heard that someone feel offended by a pirate. I don't care if you pirate those application but by saying you feel offended while you just enjoying someone hard work by stealing just well, you absolutely has no right. Like a thief give report to the government because he feel offended by the law and the police.
78. adk199 (Posts: 23; Member since: 04 Oct 2012)
It's much less than I get paid eating at work on one day. Really 30 bucks. I couldn't find anything criminal I would do to save 30$. 30000000$ maybe but 30... hmmm that's low. Perhaps I can understand certain iPhone users because they were robbed when buying the phone but else
2. Kalevro (Posts: 56; Member since: 11 Sep 2011)
Or all apps should be 10 cents thath's why I made myself a money for app counter-It looks up the app that i pirated and adds it to a total of purchased apps just to count how much money I would have spent. 76$ for 16 games. No way !
9. stychill (unregistered)
99 Cents for an app or game is a decent price, $76 is too much?. Quality apps and games don't take a second to make, time and effort goes into these things you enjoy using. Yet you say the developer doesn't deserve to rewarded for their efforts. i wonder how you would react if your employer refused to pay you after you worked for them
5. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 847; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
Step one. Extend the time on refund policies. For larger apps by the time you download it and realize its a ginourmous turd then your out of luck. This also applies with games and apps that have a learning curve. I pay for the majority of my apps but sometimes can't justify some of the prices or got burned by that company in the past.
47. ncstu (Posts: 11; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Spot on. Try before you buy is the reason I pirate. I bought Nova, Swiftkey, Tasker, and Titanium but not before I used them for a few weeks or even months. I can't count the number of garbage paid apps that I have tried and subsequently uninstalled.
34. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
I will put this in simple terms. The day that developers make it easy enough and cheap enouh for me to buy an app i will stop using pirated programs and games, but as long as you charge one third of a average salary here for a pc game no thanx. Remember, most of the world is not rich as the glorious US of A
45. IamTheGodfatherofCell (Posts: 33; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
There will never be a fool proof way to prevent this type of behavior...when we had cassette tapes...people bootlegged them....cds....bootleggers...vhs tapes...bootleggers...cd-roms, x box 360 games, mp3s....it will never stop. The more difficult they make it to rip these files, the more people will stop doing it....for the most part,..
as stated before, this is something the majority of android and iphone users dont mess with...so its not that big of a deal
48. ncstu (Posts: 11; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Oh yea, well I could never find a bootleg star wars laser disk. For years I missed out on digital surround sound death star battles!
46. buccob (Posts: 1354; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Very nice article.
I have to admit that I have downloaded some pirated apps to my Android, but at the same time when I realize how good the app was I uninstalled and paid for it...
And the other pirate app I had, well it was because it was never release for my country... Otherwise I would have gladly paid for it... cough GTA cough
51. bluexperia (Posts: 40; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
in my opinion, its best to buy an app because it will save your time looking for an update (waiting hacker to crack it) and use all of premium feature without any concern.. but, sometimes ( sometime its not 'sometime' but 'everytime') paid apps was very highly and wrongly priced.. that why people made pirate of it. you`ve got to think about the market first before stepping into the app making world dev.. then you don`t have to worry cause about your app being pirated.. make a good app, priced it fairly and nicely, people buying will increase instead people pirating it because we consumers know when to spend for the right thing for our money.
52. belovedson (Posts: 832; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
To the author, bad job!
I done an I phone much but when I did installous was great simply by the fact they allowed a diverse, and useful apps that were not found in the regular app store.
Part of apples success derived from the home brew app/jailbreak scene that allowed users to operate an I phone on let's say r mobile, tether freely the unlimited data that was being offered.
Some of the arguments may be in the past if you want an apple go with art but that wasn't possible for many because of the high prices or general disgust with art's general lack of customers service. Or tethering is bad because it congests the network. Reality is art and verizon make a huge revenue year in and year out. I their gross exceeds that of big bad oil. They somehow get away without paying certain taxes and for the most part our government does little to keep them in check, and I'm looking at verizon and att. To make a long story a congested network is no way the consumers part.
Att and verizon have more than enough resources to build and expand their coverage. It's almost laughable, and consumers attack one another about data usage while att and verizon quietly get rich and abuse the consumers
Long tangent... I know. But I hope you see the relevance. The lack of software provided by appstore helps the rich
53. JunkCreek (Posts: 399; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
mostly, someone payed the apps to make himself money by sharing the payed apps on their blogs or uploaded on a file hosting that give at least payroll per download. thats how the piracy goes. some share for make money, some just share to make others enjoy or just to make their self to become famous or has big reputation on blogs or forums.