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App piracy: the good, the bad and how to reduce it

0. phoneArena 04 Jan 2013, 09:07 posted on

A surprising news emerged these days: Installous, an app for jailbroken iPhones and iPads that allowed users to install pirated apps for free, has been discontinued due to lack of enough user interest. Does that mean that people have started spending more money on apps? Is this a sign that app piracy is in decline? While the end of Installous sure is a win for developers and publishers, we feel this is a perfect occasion to share our thoughts with regards to app piracy as a whole...

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posted on 04 Jan 2013, 09:10 9

1. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


I am offended

mc4
gta vc
nova 3
gta 3
nova launcher

money saved = about 30 bucks

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 09:49 18

3. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Really? Why would you work around paying for something that developers took time out of their day to make for you?

They make a quality product for you that you enjoy, all they ask for is a few bucks in return for their work, and you basically give them the middle finger and cheat them out of their profit.

Hell will freeze over the day you have to pay for something that someone worked hard on, huh?

If you don't want to pay for it, don't use it.

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 10:26 7

12. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


The developers who made those apps don't even know that I exist on this planet earth

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 10:50 9

25. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


I wasn't saying "you" as an individual, but "you" as a group of consumers. And the certain group of consumers that pirate apps, the group you're apart of, is the soul reason why devs don't want to make more products for the people who actually PAY for their stuff.

How does it feel to be apart of the douche group that ruins it for the rest of us? It's your fault that Android doesn't have as good of dev support as iOS.

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 11:09 8

30. etschreiber (Posts: 2; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)


While I don't particularly care one way or the other about software piracy (and I am a developer), it seems clear that on some level it is stealing. Nonetheless, to blame this guy or as you say, the group of consumers represented by this guy for a lack of good developer support for android is ridiculous.

That has been the swan song of the software industry for as long as piracy has existed. There is no difference to them if a person pirates their software or just chooses not to buy it. To assume that someone who pirates something would otherwise buy it is specious. There is a market for everything and it is the developer's job to understand the market and tap into it.

It turns out that there is a correlation between the types of people who pay for apple products and the types of people who are willing to buy lots of apps. This shouldn't be surprising as apple products tend to be luxury oriented. They tend to be polished, pretty and sold at a price premium. People willing to pay a premium for a luxury product tend to be the people who don't mind forking over a few bucks for an app.

So to blame this on piracy is ludicrous, it is simply the market segmentation of the cult of Apple. Steve Jobs once famously said, "A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." Google's mission statement on the other hand is, "to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful." Apple is about telling you what to buy and their consumers listen, Google is about making the world freely accessible. You can guess what type of person is attracted to each platform.

posted on 05 Jan 2013, 04:48 2

70. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


it feels great because i have saved a lot of cash and if i got bored with the game i could buy more useful stuffs with the money that i saved

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 11:16

36. notor (unregistered)


however if you would have bought those apps then they would have said that one nice guy choose the right lane & dint fall for app piracy :)

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 14:23 1

54. blazee (Posts: 412; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)


That's exactly what people who hack other peoples bank accounts and steal their money say" they don't even know I exist" but they do, they know doushes like you exist and its sad that android has many of them

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 23:16

64. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


The bank is probably the worst place somebody can ever put their money.

posted on 05 Jan 2013, 03:54

68. crashvoodoo (Posts: 3; Member since: 27 Dec 2012)


Yes you are only one person but when everyone thinks like this then no one pays for anything.

How tight must one person be to not want to pay 50 to 99p for an app/game. It costs more for a can of coke.

posted on 05 Jan 2013, 04:49

71. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


it is only twice a year, what if you wanna play a game so badly but you've to wait months ?

posted on 05 Jan 2013, 06:08

73. crashvoodoo (Posts: 3; Member since: 27 Dec 2012)


Then you either pony up some credit or Play something else and wait till there is a sale.

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 15:41

57. ncv144 (Posts: 126; Member since: 04 May 2012)


I actually dont pirate apps because im cheap and i dont want to pay for them, but because the app stores dont allow the credit cards used in my country so if i want an app, i have to pirate it.

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 09:53 3

4. stychill (unregistered)


What you saved developers lost, sad. Lets hope everyone doesn't go the route you did and said developers have to go out of business.

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 09:59 5

6. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 889; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


So you can justify paying hundreds of dollars for a phone or tablet but not an extra 30 for great products such all those you listed..

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 10:29 10

13. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


I can by lots of yummy foods with 30 bucks at Walmart

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 10:35 1

16. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


And by becoming a douche

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 10:39 6

18. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


Duh, just take a look at the music on your phone

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 10:49 1

24. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


I use spotify, its very cheap considering unlimited streaming of music.

Think as devs, you are stealing their work

posted on 05 Jan 2013, 08:31 1

75. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)


Lol !
This Music example is awesome !!

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 10:45 2

20. IamTheGodfatherofCell (Posts: 33; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


I have ripped apps for years , I have over 20,000 apks stored on my tablet that I blue tooth over to phones. I originally purchased the app, saved it to the SD card, then pushed it on to other devices I had or my friends had. Some of these apps are from GameLoft and they can be pretty expensive. Of course the app is no good after they run a mandatory update, and they figure out you didnt pay for it.
But I dont see the harm, the MAJORITY of people out there dont root or jailbreak...so this is really a small issue.

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 11:09

31. Cynipap999 (banned) (Posts: 138; Member since: 15 Nov 2012)


I just sent myself your email in case PA strikes your comment - and, THEY WILL!!

Personally, on the Installous front, if Apple made good phones in the first place or a good OS there wouldn't be a need to Jailbreak and install it. People just need to fix their iPhones since they come severely handicapped from the factory.

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 11:11 3

32. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


An official Samsung store near my house even has a "galaxy station" in which you can put paid apks for free onto your phone

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 11:27 1

37. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


Agreed, we are the minorities not majorities, no need to worry devs.. If you bought let's say modern combat 4 for 7 bucks, you played it, you finished it and bam, what can you do with it? In the end you will get bored with it and uninstall it to save some space, which means your burning your money, and then you but another one and so on, it can cost you a fortune

Its like video game virtual money, you buy it with real crap which you can touch and smell but you get nothing

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 23:27

65. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


You make a terrible example out of pirates.
I support piracy, it really depends on seller.
ie. Gameloft games go for $0.99 couple times a year, don't pay anymore than that. When they ask for over 100% of its lowest, it deserves to be pirated.

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 11:02 1

29. SonyXperiaNexus (Posts: 374; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)


well... that can also be argued another way: ive already paid hundreds of dollars for my phone or tablet and i dont want to spend a single dollar more. app piracy is kinda like smoking, you know its bad but people still do it

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 11:29

38. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


This is exactly what I mean, I could but a new phone or tablet with that amount of money instead of burning it by buying crap

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 13:41

49. blazee (Posts: 412; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)


People don't smoke for free unless you're a bum and bum cigarettes of others. Stealing apps instead of paying for them is more like stealing cigarettes and justyfing it by " well they are bad for you anyway so why should I pay for them"

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 10:02 1

7. Muhannad (Posts: 455; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)


You really gotta put yourself in the dev's position, imagine you work hard to make a really good game or app and people end up pirating it. You would be genuinely disappointed plus piracy is what drives devs away from a certain platform.

posted on 04 Jan 2013, 11:15 1

33. etschreiber (Posts: 2; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)


I'm pretty sure that devs mostly care about how many people buy their app, not how many people pirate it. Blaming poor sales on piracy is simply a way for someone who made an uncompelling app to feel better about themselves.

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