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Anti-trust suit filed against Google over Android monopoly

0. phoneArena 02 May 2014, 20:42 posted on

In a suit filed by the owner of an HTC EVO 3D smartphone, it is being alleged that Google’s business...

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posted on 02 May 2014, 20:46 31

1. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Ummm, wow, I mean, Google owns it, soooooo......
Also, just root the damn phone and get Titanium Backup and either delete or freeze the apps that you do not want.
Nice, another stupid lawsuit that originated in California....

posted on 02 May 2014, 23:13 2

66. Commentator (Posts: 2436; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


Anything for a quick buck, right?

Apparently it's "anti-competitive" to be quicker on the draw than your competitors and to take advantage of an exploding smartphone market.

I guess I'd feel sorry for those competitors if their names weren't "Microsoft" and "Yahoo."

posted on 03 May 2014, 07:36 3

93. sgodsell (Posts: 1289; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


I wouldn't be surprised if they were behind this lawsuit. Its not like the OEMS and carriers don't put their crap on the Android phones as well. This will never fly. Anyone can download the source code compile it yourself and with a little know how, you can install you own version of Android. Install your own apps from the numerous other Android app stores. Or just make your own.

posted on 03 May 2014, 17:52

113. elitewolverine (Posts: 1726; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


sgodsell, that argument didn't help MS at all with their IE case.

As with a pc, which has even less restrictions than a phone. Was able to install ANY OS you wanted on it. Yet they got in trouble for the same thing.

The User has always had the power in the pc world, yet MS went through the same thing.

posted on 03 May 2014, 20:18 2

115. sgodsell (Posts: 1289; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


You forgot to mention Microsoft caught bribing OEMS with a little incentive to put Windows on all the PCs. The other thing you forgot to mention is that Microsoft just decided to pay the billion dollar fine set by the EU, and leave IE exactly the way is.
This really is completely different. Everyone has access to the Android code. With all Windows OS's you are at the mercy of Microsoft and no one else. Hey look at Microsoft and Nokia made not 1, but 3 Nokia X phones running Microsoft's version of Android, and only running Microsoft's apps and services, without any of Google's apps and services to be found on any of the Nokia X phones.

posted on 04 May 2014, 16:52 1

121. jroc74 (Posts: 4943; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I thought the issue with MS was Windows + IE and other browsers and not the OS...

To install an entirely different OS for browser use or better browser use is kinda crazy. I dont remember that. I used Netscape almost exclusively back then....saw no issues. Expect maybe with Java.

Now....maybe that was part of the problem....different browsers had issues with web content vs IE. MS had their own Java for IE, Netscape used the universal one.

posted on 03 May 2014, 01:04 3

74. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3418; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)


what a butthurt moron. Seriously wtf is this a reason

posted on 03 May 2014, 01:09 3

75. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3418; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)


P.S just a greedy guy who just wants money and attention.

posted on 03 May 2014, 05:57 1

88. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 1949; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


Its Google, what he expected? LMAO

posted on 02 May 2014, 20:48 1

2. pitchenatent (Posts: 15; Member since: 09 Aug 2013)


I know who filed this one apple after sueing samsung who ever it is there haters on something that ppl love lol and this will never stick

posted on 03 May 2014, 04:32 2

78. _Bone_ (Posts: 2135; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


It's probably just a mad Apple employee - who uses an Android as his smartphone. :D

posted on 02 May 2014, 20:53 9

3. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3319; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


While I am a big fan of Android, I am not a fan of Google taking over my phone and infesting it with all their spyware / data theft code (aka 'apps and services').

Ideally, there should be a simple way for any Android customer to delete Google's apps / services from their phone. It shouldn't require root or anything special, just selecting some setting and confirming.

I don't know what this lawsuit will accomplish, but if it helps to give the user more choice about what apps/services are on their phone, then it is a good thing.

posted on 02 May 2014, 20:56 17

5. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


well, if someone does not want that on the phone then someone should not buy the phone...CAPICHE?

posted on 02 May 2014, 21:04 6

9. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3319; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


The issue is that someone is buying a phone from Samsung, HTC, etc. When they buy the phone, they don't know about these agreements beween Samsung, HTC, etc. and Google. They don't know their ability to determine what they want / don't want on their phone has been severely compromised by these agreements.

This is not dissimilar from Microsoft integrating IE into Windows -- something that they got in anti-trust trouble for. Now Google is integrating their apps/services into Android and removing consumer choice, just as Microsoft did.

Thankfully with root, the power user still has some choice. But this lawsuit is about the average consumer, not the power user.

posted on 02 May 2014, 21:12 7

12. xperiaDROID (limited) (Posts: 5577; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Buy Blackberry then, I never heard of Blackberry spying users.

posted on 02 May 2014, 21:14 4

14. magnanimus (Posts: 296; Member since: 29 Mar 2013)


In case you haven't noticed, Google apps make up what Android is today. Without Google Play, Maps, YouTube, Android would not have gained the reputation it has today. I'm aware of the fact that Google could not load these apps and expect consumers to sideload alternative apps but then users will just complain and accuse android of not coming with basic features. SOo"monopolizing" isn't that big a deal (Win-Win situation). I dont see anyone saying they prefer 1mobile to Google Play. And if you really don't like Google apps (I really don't know why) don't use them. Its not like they collect data without your consent.

posted on 02 May 2014, 21:26 1

21. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3319; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


I think the main issue with the lawsuit is the removal of consumer choice and Google's use of these agreements to achieve/maintain monopoly power.

If the consumer had a choice during phone setup, "Install Google Apps and Services" and chose to do so, then all the normal Google apps would be downloaded/installed. If not, then no Google stuff. The user could choose what apps they want, picking no Google apps or even picking some subset of the Google apps.

Google's apps and services do collect data without the user's consent. There is no documentation of what data these apps collect, how long it is stored, who it is distributed to, etc.There's not even any documentation for what is actually running on the phone and what it does.

posted on 02 May 2014, 21:42 2

28. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1578; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


I get your point, but the thing is there is no way to not have data collected on you, unless you go off the grid. And even if you were to stay offline, they know things about you by what magazines or newspapers you subscribe to, what TV shows you watch, what charities you give to, etc. Calling out Google for collecting data is like calling one person an idiot in a room full of idiots.

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:14 10

41. bigdawg23 (Posts: 385; Member since: 25 May 2011)


I don't have choices? I can go to the Amazon App Store thus removing Play Store Need. I can use Touchdown and not use Googles Email Client. Then I can install Dolphin or Skyfire eliminating Chrome need. I can select a variety if Map Apps and never use Google Maps. Point of my rambling you can select a lot of different apps and not touch a Google App. At the end of the day you don't like a product by something different, No one made you buy an Android Point, if you like Samsung or HTC then get a Windows Phone.

Next let's file a lawsuit on Apple because I can only use iOS.

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:21 1

43. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


YES!!!!!! YES!!!!

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:24 6

46. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1578; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


Exactly, why hasn't anyone sued Apple for not being able to say buy an Asus or Dell machine with Apple's OS on it. Monopoly!!! Monopoly!!!

There are plenty of things that aren't available together. Should we sue because we can't get a Prius with a Hemi? Or a Challenger with a hybrid motor? People act like they're entitled to have everything they want exactly how they want it. I used to think that way, then I turned 10. Grow up people.

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:35 3

53. GeekNews (Posts: 9; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)


Actually I'm sort of wondering why no has sued Apple for the same thing. They'd be a much more likely target considering they force consumers to use iTunes, force the app store and force payments through their own system. They have a lockdown on apps, browsers ect.

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:32 4

51. sprockkets (Posts: 1237; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


Uh, no. During setup you have to agree to it. And later on you can control it via google settings.

Stop being an ignorant lawyer like those idiots are. You are free to search with whoever you want to on the phone, period.

posted on 02 May 2014, 21:55

30. magnum44 (unregistered)


Brilliant ... another rare intelligent and mature post around here ... but back to the subject; even the CEOs of the manufacturers acknowledge (publicly or not) that it is a competition of ecosystems not devices.

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:09 1

39. magnum44 (unregistered)


Sorry for the double post (these fiddly smartphones should never replace proper laptop)

posted on 02 May 2014, 21:56 1

31. magnum44 (unregistered)


Brilliant ... another rare intelligent and mature post around here ... but back to the subject; even the CEOs of the manufacturers acknowledge (publicly or not) that it is a competition of ecosystems not devices.

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:11 1

40. magnum44 (unregistered)


Brilliant ... another rare intelligent and mature post around here ... but back to the subject; even the CEOs of the manufacturers acknowledge (publicly or not) that it is a competition of ecosystems not devices.

posted on 02 May 2014, 21:15 3

16. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


The funny thing is that these other OEMs come with even more junk - take Samsung on AT&T
It has a ton of junk apps.
At least with the Nexus 5, it comes with Google apps that have a use.

posted on 02 May 2014, 21:28

23. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3319; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


I agree. When I bought my Note 3 via ATT, it was loaded with crap. I was dismayed as all of this crap was using up about 1GB RAM on my new 3GB device.

Just as I see the *potential* benefit of this lawsuit, I see the potential benefits of lawsuits regarding bloatware. The consumer should be able to easily and permanently delete it -- or ideally, have the choice to not install it in the first place.

posted on 03 May 2014, 07:23 1

91. sgodsell (Posts: 1289; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


First of all from all your other posts. Any time you get the chance to cut up Android then you do it. As far as choice of what is put on the phone. OEMS also load up their stuff. Not to mention carriers also put their stuff on the devices as well. This has always been the way with Android, because its free and open. The part that isn't open is Googles apps and services. Some manufacturers right now don't use Google's apps or services. You bring up Microsoft and the browser IE. Microsoft in the end decided to give in and pay the billion dollar lawsuit instead of allowing the needed changes. IE to this day is still tightly woven into all of Microsoft's Windows OS's including WP. The same cannot be said for Android and the chrome browser. If fact the only browsers not on Android are Safari and IE. Even Microsoft and Nokia made 3 Android type phones with no Google apps or services. This lawsuit has no chance of winning.

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:06 1

35. Augustine (Posts: 738; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)


Say after me: CAPISCE. Capisce?

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:22

44. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Si....

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:48

63. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


capisce...capisce...Señor

posted on 03 May 2014, 10:18

104. Augustine (Posts: 738; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)


That's SIGNORE, capisce? :-)

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:07 1

37. poikilo (Posts: 47; Member since: 07 Jun 2012)


Great, just great. You want to use as full fledged android which is developed entirely by google, and not use its services by which it can monetize its work.
So you basically want to use an OS without necessarily paying for it. Way to go.

posted on 03 May 2014, 05:56

87. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1137; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


I don't support this lawsuit, but what you are saying makes no sense. You pay for Android when you purchase the phone, so you shouldn't have to keep paying for it with your data in perpetuity.

This isn't just a Google problem, although I feel they benefit the most from users being stuck with their services and data mining on a phone. When I buy a phone, I should be able to easily REMOVE (Not freeze or disable) any bloatware, spyware, etc. from it easily, since I paid for it and it is my phone. I'm sick of paying companies for one product multiple times. If I buy a car, I'm not served ads or data mined 24/7 to pay for it again.

posted on 03 May 2014, 08:44 1

95. SamDroid (unregistered)


Actually you're wrong. Google does not charge OEM's for using Android, its free. What you pay for when you buy the phone is the hardware and in some cases software tailored to get the best out of your device. Also, I think the person filing that lawsuit is just a damn troll. First off, before you sign in to your new Android smartphone, you have to accept the Terms and Conditions, one of the most unread articles on earth. And by the way, ads are everywhere: from TVs to Radio stations to fricking highways. Thats how you pay for sth free, by putting up with ads. Some are pretty annoying but at least with Google you choose which ads you want. Thats why whenever I surf the web Google's Adsense give me relevant ads which eventually turn out to actually be helpful. Not those shiitty ads about Win an iPad or get laid today, So yeah, its now bearable.

posted on 03 May 2014, 09:37 1

98. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1137; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


Who said anything about Google charging OEMs? I certainly didn't. What I said was that I was tired of paying for a device multiple times, both with money, my data, and the viewing of ads. The price of the phone includes hardware AND software, so the choice should be mine regarding Google services, Apple services, or Microsoft services. Once I have paid, it should be mine to modify as I see fit, provided I am breaking no laws. That is the sole reason I went back to WP, because what software I include on my phone is my choice, or as close to real choice as you can get. I'm no sucker, and I refuse to keep paying for a device once I have purchased it, as is the case on Google Android devices.

posted on 03 May 2014, 11:20 1

108. SamDroid (unregistered)


You don't pay for Android or Google Apps. Thats what I was trying to explain. The money you pay for the phone you buy is for the hardware and the OEM's s/w if they added it (like Knox).

And you say that you went back to WP so that you choose the s/w you'll have on your phone? Now I don't know much about WP and the closest thing I used to that was Omnia which had WP7. But one thing I know is that no OS, especially not WP, beats android in customization. Where I'm from we don't have contracts so most of the time bloatware is usually kept to a minimum. But that means nothing to me because the first thin I usually do is root my phone and get rid of annoying apps (Like Samsung Apps on my S4 and SmartWorld on my LGOG). Having an android phone is like building a custom car. You can replace ROMs, Kernels, even make your own ROM if you're tired of everything else. I don't see any other OS being as versatile as this. And yes, it might need a bit of extra knowledge but you don't stop riding a bicycle just because you fell on the first try...There is a large community that can help on most issues. Thats the beauty of Android, you don't rely on the Godfather to sort out issues, usually the community has a ready solution enough once a problem is spotted. I might have gotten a lil bit out of topic but anyway I made my point.

posted on 03 May 2014, 17:56

114. elitewolverine (Posts: 1726; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Actually you do pay google to use "Android" the term "Android" and its logo's are all owned and controlled by google.

That means two things. If I want to use the word android so people know they have a droid, and people want to use google which every ones mother here thinks associates it with a true 'android', you need to pony up. This is in their public docs, that you pay a licensing fee to have the apps google and the word android. If fact if you choose to use the word Android, you have to bundle google. There is no way around that as an OEM that wants to put, Android as the OS on their device. Even though the OS itself is a free OS. Google has made the name, money. It is why Nokia does not have the word android on it to my knowledge.

So YES, again YES you pay to use Android and Google on your devices.

posted on 04 May 2014, 10:53 1

119. magnanimus (Posts: 296; Member since: 29 Mar 2013)


You do not pay for using Android but you Pay for using Google Mobile Services (GMS). But what you pay for GMS doesn't go to Google but to an authorised testing facility where you get the licence to use GMS. So yes you pay for GMS but you don't pay google. The only way to pay Google is by the ads (which are tailored to your needs and not just random crap).

posted on 04 May 2014, 16:58

122. jroc74 (Posts: 4943; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Let me ask this....is Nokia paying a license for using a forked version of....Android.....

Whether its the regular Android or forked...its still Android. If they do...I will agree with you. If they dont....technically Android is still free.

Same for Amazon and the Kindle.

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:09 1

38. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6581; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


Then why do u have a Android phone for? No one is forcing you to buy anything. Every company/gov't agency is spying on us no matter what we do.

posted on 02 May 2014, 23:10 1

65. downbeat4 (Posts: 71; Member since: 03 Dec 2010)


Use a different OS then. Maybe the Amazon Phone would be good for you. It's Android...kind of and will not come with GAPPS or Google Play Services. Google owns Android and they do not owe anyone an Android device without their apps... That's like saying "I love iOS, but I shouldn't have to jailbreak my iPhone to get rid of the App Store or iTunes. Your choice is to not buy the device if you don't like it. I honestly feel that morons " like the plaintiff in this case" should be dealt hefty fines for wasting the courts and tax payers time with lawsuits such as this. What ever happened to personal responsibility? If you dont like your options..try something else. Or better yet, create your own instead of demanding what you want when you want it. People sue over the dumbest ish and will continue to do so if the courts keep listening. This ends my rant.

posted on 02 May 2014, 23:19

67. tadaa (Posts: 250; Member since: 18 Apr 2013)


You can disable them in the app info. Dunno about carrier models though, i use a nexus phone

posted on 03 May 2014, 00:49 2

71. shuaibhere (Posts: 1558; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


If you don't want google services..then go for AOSP.....
this is no monopoly because manufacturers can chose AOSP with no google services if they want....
But manufacturers choose google's android because it is better....
that guy should have paid by MS. .because MS failed this same case against google and lost it...so they're trying with others...

posted on 03 May 2014, 02:02 1

77. sgodsell (Posts: 1289; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


The consumer already has a choice today. It comes down to the manufacturers installing Android with out Google services or not. If you want an Android device with none of Google's apps or services you can buy a Nokia X, Amazon already has tablets, but they are going to be releasing an Android phone with Amazon apps and services soon. There are a few Chinese OEMS that put out Android phones with out Google apps and services.
This will never fly. Not to mention if you don't like Googles apps and services, then move over to a different platform like iOS, blackberry, WP, or others.

posted on 03 May 2014, 09:40

99. jroc74 (Posts: 4943; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Exactly. Even with Android.....Chrome didnt make it to Android until a few years ago. Before that it was some generic Android browser. Its still just labeled Browser on some phones.

How in the world can this be an anti trust issue??

posted on 04 May 2014, 18:20

125. jroc74 (Posts: 4943; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


And those generic Android browsers....could be modified by the OEMs. HTC and Samsung did this almost from the beginning...Moto started doing it later.

Cant see that being an anti trust, anti competitive issue when they allowed OEMs to modify the browser on Android phones. Cant check now...but do they still have the Browser already installed on phones with Chrome installed?

posted on 02 May 2014, 20:55 8

4. camera531 (Posts: 164; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)


When this jackass loses this frivolous nonsense, he should be forced to pay Google's legal fees. He's only doing this for the money...

posted on 02 May 2014, 20:58

7. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Yeah, this is just a waste of space lawsuit, like most of them in the U.S. are. Lawyers love this, though.
If someone wants the phone so badly, then learn how to take control of the phone - XDA has the answers, and the answer is easier then what most people think.
If this really bothers someone, then get some other kind of phone. Heck, do what I did and get a phone from a Chinese manufacturer/OEM. I got a Coolpad 9976A phablet and the thing does not come with any Google APPS - it came with Chinese apps, and I am sure it is the same junk as Google.

posted on 02 May 2014, 21:17 3

17. 14545 (Posts: 1118; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


I wouldn't mind someone suing VZW over the crapware they install that is generally not deletable, and is just as intrusive. Not to mention, the fact that vzw, due to locks, gives you *no control* over your device. But I really don't understand this lawsuit given that android runs on devices that don't have access to the playstore.

posted on 02 May 2014, 21:36 2

27. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3319; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


There should be a lawsuit over this. Make that many lawsuits. Even if you do end up rooting, doing so voids the warranty.

Personally, I will never buy a locked down phone. Which is why the OnePlus One is so interesting. It runs on ATT and isn't locked. Not to mention, it doesn't come with the crazy inflated price of a Samsung or HTC phone.

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:25

47. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


I did a warranty once, long ago, and was rooted, and still able to do a warranty. I unrooted the phone. There are still ways around that, too...in most cases....

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:25

48. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


and, it does not come with a bunch of useless apps, while it comes with an even more customizable version of Android....

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:24 2

45. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


I am so glad I left Big RED - you cannot even use as many phones on their network as you can with AT&T or T Mobile. They let OEMs lock down their phones, while T Mobile phones most come with unlocked or option to unlock the bootloader.

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:44 1

60. 14545 (Posts: 1118; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Networkdood, If it weren't for my unlimited data and VZW's superior coverage as compared to Tmo, then I would jump ship immediately. I just don't want to leave VZW for Ma Bell and their draconian ways. It's like leaving one crappy situation for another.

posted on 02 May 2014, 22:47 1

62. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


oh, I had both BIG BLUE and BIG RED for a while...lol...I switched both to BIG BLUE prepaid and went to Republic Wireless (sucks) and then to T Mobile...
If the need of their service makes the cost worth it, then stay - unlimited is a good deal. And, yeah, I hear T Mo is not good everywhere - it was not good here until late last year.

posted on 02 May 2014, 20:57 3

6. ajac09 (Posts: 1367; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


He just mad the EVO 3d sucked

posted on 02 May 2014, 21:03 9

8. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Dear HTC EVO 3D smartphone owner who is suing Google:
Listen bud.
No one is forcing you to get the phone.
You do have other choices in the United States and as far away as China.
Get a Coolpad phone - except only EDGE here in the U.S.
Get a Huawei - well, could be full of spyware = oops
Get a Xiaomi - well...nevermind
Try a OnePlus One phone - comes rooted - so, any app will be easy to remove
Get a Google Nexus 5....oops, yeah...nevermind that

Get an iphone...except, well, good luck with the maps, the boring UI, and apple's brand of junk on it
Get a windows phone - lol, nevermind, they are the NSA's best friend
Get a Nokia X phone - non Google ANDroid phone with crappy specs
Get a Amazon phone - whenever that happens

Or, learn to root and take control of the phone. Get an app called AppOps and you can turn off any permission given to an app.
Get the app, LuckyPatcher, and you can shut down the in app ads.
Get Adaway and you can shut down the ads you see while browsing.

Or, just get a damn Motorola Razr - a classic.....

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