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Android isn't freedom, because Google is closed

0. phoneArena 27 Oct 2013, 09:42 posted on

We've seen a lot of comments recently on various Apple-related articles with commenters belittling the Apple option because they are hawking the ideology that open-source is the ultimate freedom. And, we would have to agree that open-source is the ultimate meaning of freedom, but the trouble is that those who would push the open-source ideology often mistake it for the Google way...

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posted on 27 Oct 2013, 09:45 41

1. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2211; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)

I knew this article was by Michael :P

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 10:39 17

29. rantao333 (Posts: 322; Member since: 21 May 2013)

yeah,great article as always :)

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 10:48 2

36. Tommy1960i (Posts: 119; Member since: 11 Oct 2013)

Yeah. I knew that this day will come when at least one article will explain the real difference between iOS and Android.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 10:54 2

41. xfire99 (Posts: 923; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)

lol..same here. When I read the topic and no hard guess who writes it. -.-
If there are bookmaker who takes bets like this and I would be millionar. :))

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 11:05 2

46. volcano321 (Posts: 20; Member since: 08 Aug 2013)

Is it a coincidence that Ars Technica had an indepth article about this same topic just a few days earlier? Based on the quality of the articles here, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some "inspiration" for this from elsewhere..

I can't post links, but it's the 2nd of Top Stories of the Week on arstechnica dot com.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 12:31 14

64. Synack (Posts: 680; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)

Michael, you know exactly what we're talking about when we refer to freedom. We are primarily talking about the ability to hack and customize our devices pretty much as much as we want. We have the ability to add or remove wanted and unwanted features and apps whereas iOS is a joke in that category. It's much easier for the user to get exactly what they want with Android.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 13:12 1

69. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2236; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

I actually linked to that article on here the day it came out to correct joey_sfb's contention about the "open" nature of Google's Android.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 13:14 7

70. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2236; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

S-On, locked boot loaders, e-fuse, and "developer editions" aren't exactly the stuff from which "Open" dreams are made.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 13:40 3

73. stealthd (unregistered)

I guess you've never heard of jailbreaking.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 14:18 4

81. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

Pretty long though the point is that android isn't open.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 14:19 4

82. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

Don't be ignorant. There's lots of bloat on android that can't be removed.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 15:14 17

84. Finalflash (Posts: 3436; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)

How is this a great article, it's pretty much addressing the smallest minority of Android users in the community. No one with any semblance of intelligence ever said it was the ultimate freedom. But in that it is far more freedom than other platforms offer. You not only have customization but very few limitations. For example, you can downgrade to a lower version of android if it is available. You can't on iOS at all and I don't know about Windows phone but I think the only other version just came out. Notice how Apple always releases one version of iOS that cripples their older hardware and then cuts support for it after. They don't cut support on a functional update but they know you can't downgrade, so they cripple and then cut off. If this happened in Android I have the "freedom" to downgrade or even go custom if there is one.

Second example, the look of iOS 7. In Android there are multiple ways to change it, but no such choice in iOS (WP as well I think). The new look added little in terms of functionality, made it worse for that matter with certain font issues. Yet there is little you can do about it.

It's not the ultimate freedom, but compared to other platforms, it certainly feels that way.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 15:21 4

85. RoyalPayne (banned) (Posts: 458; Member since: 07 Aug 2013)

I'm wondering where all the "Android is freedom" cry babies go.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 15:39 4

87. Ant34 (Posts: 193; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)

A lot of that is done at carrier request and for security purposes. You can't have non-tech savvy people having easy access to system files. Even with that level of protection, the things you can do with Android are far beyond what you can do with any OS. Rooting is just icing on the cake.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 15:40 1

88. Ant34 (Posts: 193; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)

What on my Nexus 4 is not removable or can't be disabled?

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 18:51 1

98. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

Google services. But we all know only a small number but nexus phones.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 18:59 10

99. joey_sfb (Posts: 6465; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

"Android in its theoretical pure form is the ultimate freedom and the ultimate option of choice. But, theory doesn't really help anyone in the real world because most of us don't use pure Android..."

We are back!!! Miss me! LOL

Don't forget the entire chinese market and Amazon don't use Google service layers and they are still happy because of Android's Open Source. They build their own service layers... Can they do that with iOS??? hur?

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 19:07 3

100. RoyalPayne (banned) (Posts: 458; Member since: 07 Aug 2013)

I'm happy with the way things are with iOS. No lag on my iPhone 5, timely updates and the adware, malware and spyware free OS.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 19:09 1

101. RoyalPayne (banned) (Posts: 458; Member since: 07 Aug 2013)

The suckiest thing. Android.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 19:27 4

102. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Can you disable or remove apple services you don't use? If not then you should just shut it

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 19:40 4

103. joey_sfb (Posts: 6465; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

True all the way from iOS 1 to iOS 6. I have tried iOS 7 extensive to say it lag more than my jellybeans mid to high end devices. Apple might need time to optimize the OS or maybe new A7 chip is a must.

Please be clear that I am happy that you are happy with iOS and Apple. For me, i am a geek so right now Apple iOS devices is a cage.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 19:40 8

104. EarnYourLeather (Posts: 87; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)

I was going to go off in these comments but you pretty much hit every note. Unnecessary article spawned by Apple fanboys being butthurt at people calling out iOS on how closed the experience really is objectively.

Obviously Android is not the ULTIMATE FREEDOM, we didn't need an article to tell us that. But any iteration of Android provides far more customization capability than the one-size-fits-all "lunchbox" experience you get on iOS.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 20:25 1

106. Ant34 (Posts: 193; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)

Every one of Google's services can be either uninstalled or disabled including the play store and you don't need root access. With the exception of "Chat On", all of Samsung's apps can be disabled on my S4.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 20:28

107. RoyalPayne (banned) (Posts: 458; Member since: 07 Aug 2013)

I'm a geek too n just fyi, i own two android devices n planning to get htc one mini. But they will never be my primary phone or OS of choice coz of nagging issues.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 20:31 1

108. MartyK (Posts: 920; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)

Apparently you never heard of aosp, you see aosp do not have any gapps inside of its rom, you have to load it.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 20:32 4

109. Ant34 (Posts: 193; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)

Most of the Tech world disagrees with you. Most of the world disagrees with you. Keep living in your bubble.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 20:44 3

111. Ant34 (Posts: 193; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)

I've never seen any adware, malware or spyware on Android device nor do I know of anyone who has complained about it on their device. Nice canard though. If you want timely updates you can always purchase a Nexus device. Every phone has lag including the iPhone 5. That said, there's a bunch of phones on Android that have as much lag as the iPhone 5 or less including the Nexus 4, the Moto X, the Droid Ultra Family and the LG G2.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 21:31 1

113. joey_sfb (Posts: 6465; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

Which two android device so we can have a clearer picture? My Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 has no lag which is a Samsung Galaxy S2 equivalent in spec.

Note 2 and note 3 are smooth as butter. Even better than iOS 7 running in older devices.

Try it for yourself in Samsung store over at my place there like one store in every kilometer.

posted on 27 Oct 2013, 21:40 2

114. joey_sfb (Posts: 6465; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

RoyalPayne, and you said you own two Android devices and going to buy HTC one mini!?

Posting 107. I always wonder about Apple fan's metal health. Apple always preach about Samsung evil at one end but make them their biggest business partner on the other.

posted on 28 Oct 2013, 02:08 1

117. 1moreUserNameIdotNeed (unregistered)

and what's the first thing people complain about on those phones/tablets ?? Where are the google services and why can't I install them !
Google's open-source code may be free to download, but unless you're willing to pay for its value added services such as Maps, Gmail, Drive, Play Store etc.. you're pretty much screwed.

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