Android is going to become more like Apple because that's what Google wants
0. phoneArena 08 Aug 2013, 14:47 posted on
I'm getting a little bit tired of the constant shouting by Android fans that nothing seems to matter aside from specs. The trouble I have with that argument is that it's based on old, busted logic. To me, it comes off just as silly as when Apple fans continue to claim that Android is laggy or buggy, because both arguments are based on platforms that don't exist anymore...
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53. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
I ripped on windows phone because it is on its 3rd iteration and still we are being told to wait for 8.1 to bring it to feature parity of everyone else.
But hey, it didn't lag. It just didn't do anything else right.
122. 14545 (Posts: 1468; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
That's my point. If my phone does have a hint of lag, WHO CAREs? Anymore it's not enough to even notice, but there isn't hardly anything that my phone can't do. Same can't be said for other OS's.
138. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
This isn't 2010 anymore, having a flagship in 2013 that has lag on the UI is unacceptable.
5. belovedson (Posts: 986; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
well thank god for samsung.
the limitations set by apple is a huge reason why i cant stick to ios.
if samsung was the company to push new technology then who knows, we may not seen things like nfc, higher quality audio decoders, better cameras, ram, 1080p, etc. until much later or not at all.
think about that for a second
the day android becomes more and more like apple the more you will find people like me who is ready to abandon ship
tigen? firefox? ubunto? who knows. but this is sheer warning to google
many of us want top specs for the prices we have to pay.
24. softfurryanus (banned) (Posts: 232; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)
Well what he was getting at is lower price for the same experience, things like air gesture and multi-window NEED to be in android though. And you're giving Samsung more credit than they deserve, they weren't the first to do 1080, and what the hell do you mean by "ram"? Samsung is great but they aren't that great.
27. mayur007 (Posts: 563; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
what samsung gave
1st bluetooth 3.0 phone what i remember
1st phone to have 720 p and 1080 recording
1st phone to different screen(not normal lcd) some thing thats unique
1st hd phone(note 1)
1st phone with optical zoom
1st phone with bigger display (galaxy s and so on)
1st manufacturer who started trend of stylus
1st to brought tablet phone in the market
1st phone having low price tag(android at at its cheapest) "galaxy y"
when android brought wifi tethring at 2.2 i had galaxy s 2.1 it already had wifitethering but was to limited
everyone followed samsung
correct me if i am wrong
48. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10439; Member since: 14 May 2012)
HTC HD2 had a 4.3" screen in 2009, a year before the Samsung Galaxy S and HTC Evolved 4G were released.
189. joey_sfb (Posts: 5418; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Yup! would be great if HTC make HD2 with a battery that would last a full day. My friend has it he has to trade it in for another phone as the battery could not last more than 5 hours under normal usage /wo using 3G data.
Make me wonder whether HTC Official or quality control bother to check before releasing the phone.
51. Topcat488 (Posts: 1394; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
1st to brought tablet phone in the market
Ever heard of the "Dell Streak"?
168. mayur007 (Posts: 563; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
lol I meanr dor starting trwnd
I think that time note 1 was existing
what I remember
158. luxzy801 (Posts: 140; Member since: 16 Jun 2010)
AMOLED: Nokia 2008
HD2: 4.3" 2009
Stylus, trendy since 2002
HTC 7500, first 5" Phablet circa 2007
There is more, i just cant think of it right now.
I think you got it the wrong way, its Samsung follows everybody, along with every other manufacturer these days... Damn, I sound old LOL
167. AwesomestMaximuss (Posts: 146; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)
Samsung was the first to have an amoled screen with a touch sensitive layer...nokia ones werent touchscreen..
160. justsayit (Posts: 256; Member since: 09 May 2013)
1st phone having low price tag(android at at its cheapest) "galaxy y"
what the hell???
samsung phone always has
high price but with very-very-low-end spec
most in low-end phone and mig-ranger phone
i havent see a samsung phone has nice price tag and good spec for the price
180. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
Sorry but you are wrong. Withouth Apple, Samsung would still make mobile phones which would look like a brick. Without Googles "stolen product" Samsung would be making bada phones.
None in your list were NOT Samsung 1st. Shamesung is just good at copying and lying. Just like HTC with "ultrapixel" camera and "haac mic" and HTC One "design.
190. Fernandezxc (Posts: 42; Member since: 12 Mar 2012)
without android everything u have said would not have happened
74. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Dude. Read the article.
Performance matters. It's not a hardware thing. It's a hardware AND software thing. Android is now reaching a point where it's getting lean and efficient. With Key Lime Pie, low end Android devices should be lag-free. On Jelly Bean, mid-range devices run with few hiccups.
Throw on a brand new OS, and you'll be in early Android all over again: no number of cores will save you, no amount of RAM will stop the lag.
That's not to say that specs mean nothing, but that good software will run well on any hardware, to the point where octa-core CPUs shouldn't be necessary.
6. xoxoGeorges (Posts: 209; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
The specs war does happen to be petty. They should focus on the performance.
I mean, there is no lag on WP8 or iOS, and yet the specs are inferior. Both OSes manage batteries better too
9. belovedson (Posts: 986; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
its been written and rewritten that android is a resource hog. why you guys cant spend 2-3 minutes to read and reread the same issue about android is beyond me
wp8 ios is not heavy. ios is essentially a app drawer and cant multitask. windows needs more time for maturity but at present it sucks. i feel like i was using a beta like eclair or somethi g
77. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Flexible resource hog > walled garden any day.
16. Credo (Posts: 747; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)
Indeed, i love the Xperia Z, my friend owns one, but that battery is very poor .... 1 game for 1 hour and it's battery is dying ...
182. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)
WP phones do not have a good battery so that is not true.
8. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Unfortunately, and I'm calling this now, you're still going to get jerks who clearly had their eyes closed throughout the article saying "yes, Michael, but the S4 is clearly superior to the Moto X because of its 1080p screen and quad core processor! And the Moto X is overpriced and will fail, because based on the iPhone 5's sales, people clearly won't pay 200 dollars for a phone if it only has a dual core proce-oh wait. Crap."
11. belovedson (Posts: 986; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
exactly and we need journalist who side for the people instead of companies.
43. BadAssAbe (Posts: 456; Member since: 22 Apr 2011)
The s4 is better than than the moto X because of
Stronger Gorilla Glass 3
Better screen to phone ratio
Best phone camera ( proven)
Glove usable screen
And some better specs like ram, cpu, little stuff
47. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 11917; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
I couldn't call either one of them the best.
69. javac (Posts: 102; Member since: 04 Mar 2013)
Really dude? Android is destroying the competition right now and you still think apple is the hottest thing since sliced bread? look at the sales there is a reason why all apple is on the decline
78. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
So is it the HTC One then? Or perhaps the pure stock Android goodness of the Nexus 4?
Maybe you've taken a liking to the new Lumias?
124. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Too many phones out their are better than your beloved iphone,....move along, bub.
86. MobileCaseReview (Posts: 242; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
So with that logic, the note 3 will be superior to the S4 for the same reasons right?
114. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
Bigger screen doesn't mean better, and I'm pretty sure the Moto X has a better screen ratio than the S4. The S4 doesn't have the best phone camera, that definitely goes to the 1020. You can probably use gloves with the screen, hell...they have been selling gloves you can use with touchscreens for a while.
They have the same amount of ram.....so you might be stupid.
CPU, the S4 and and HTC One definitely have faster processors....but Samsung also loads a bunch of bloatware (Touchwiz) that slows down their phones. The active display implements seem cooler on the Moto X than how Samsung implemented them.
All in all, you don't know what you're talking about and are a Samsung fanboy.
With that said, I still won't be getting the Moto X for a few reasons.
1.) Not coming with triband LTE on Sprint
2.) The Moto maker is stupidly only available on AT&T for now. I'm not waiting till November
3.) They're asking too much for those specs, at 99 I think they would have great price. The specs might not make a real world difference (except for phones with the new snapdragon 800...due to the adreno 330), but they do make the phone cheaper, so the price for the consumer should be reflected in that.
152. BadAssAbe (Posts: 456; Member since: 22 Apr 2011)
Bigger is not always better but the SGS4 screen is better
DDR2 vs DDR3 Ram, S4 Better
"probably use gloves" LOL no
MicroSD card is also a BIG Plus
"pretty sure the Moto X has a better screen ratio than the S4" Wrong, also SGS4 no onscreen buttons means more screen
1020 is the best camera phone
Yes i do know what im talking about
188. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
You can buy gloves to use with smartphones, they make them...in all sort of styles. Samsung isn't the only one who lets you use any glove, Nokia does it with some of the Lumias too.
And the S4 has a worse screen than the HTC One.
Can't deny the ram if you are correct, though I haven't seen anywhere where the moto x has ddr2.
MicroSD is slow and pointless, if you need that much space just get the 64gb one. I much prefer space on the phone instead of an extra part to break or lose. If you need an SD card...cool, doesn't make a phone better for having one.
Onscreen buttons are what allows it to have a better screen ratio, you saying it doesn't...does not make it so. And bigger screen means bigger screen.
At least you concede the the 1020 is the best camera phone.
117. bonsly16 (Posts: 65; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Better specs and bad software optimization (TouchWiz) is not a better phone. The GS4 seems to lag, last time I checked.
169. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
The Moto X has:
Glass by the same company that makes Gorilla Glass (and drop tests still aren't kind to the S4, btw)
Still a bigger screen than the previous generation of Android phones typically had
Touchless voice controls
A better screen to phone ratio (you clearly haven't been paying attention to size comparos that the Moto X is in)
More useful notification system
None of the useless Samsung bloat I'll never use.
The RAM is the same between the two, and whether the CPU is "better" depends on what you're using it for. Seems as though the Moto X also gives the same or better battery life. For people who find the S4 and its kitchen sink approach intimidating, the Moto X will be a better fit.
196. marbovo (Posts: 658; Member since: 16 May 2013)
Or, they just can have the S4 Google Edition
148. MartyK (Posts: 786; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
Actually the pay for the brand name (Iphone), you can put a picture of Apple on a Samsung instinct or a flip phone and call it the new Iphone, people will buy it cause of the brand.
12. tedkord (Posts: 10638; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
it's only fair, apple just became a lot more like Android with iOS 7.
14. softfurryanus (banned) (Posts: 232; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)
Google needs to compete with touchwiz and the other UI's out there. Air gesture would be great to have on nexus devices, and multi window would also be amazing. They are both practical and will win Samsung and LG's customers.
17. zachattack (Posts: 621; Member since: 31 Jul 2013)
Yeah but, android has many iterations an actually changes. The iPhone stays the same and has been the same for like 5 or 7 years. User experience, my user experience with apple is boredom. Why I have to go through 2 menus to turn off data or wifi. I guess since they've done so well up till now is why. Yeah they optimize well, but it's still boring. Not to mention how much I hate their keyboards. LG has made some very useful features unlike Samsung who forces you to have 20 useless features. Hopefully LG has inspired other companies into going outside the comfort zone. There seems to be a bubble that every phone maker is stuck in. Apple is still stuck in the bubble. Even with iOS 7, they aren't revolutionizing anything. HTC made a metal phone and changed sense 5 for the greater good. Samsung have us a slightly upgraded S3 and an even more cluttered touch wiz. I guess you can admire apple for sticking to their guns for so long; however, I bet they are just itching to copy android. I never rooted phones but I have jail broken. It's not really glamorous and to me a phone should be so great that you don't need to root or jail break. HTC and LG are the only ones going farther. I'm really impressed by G2s design and features. Samsung lets be honest, isn't doing anything worth praise besides creating another decent phone. Apple is just... Apple. Google doesn't impress me. Apple is going to have a hard time. Android being like apple is an opinion I think. I've never owned a newer smartphone so I can't say how smooth android runs. It looks buttery smooth on the One and G2 though. One last thing before I go, apple might say twice as fast but they really mean no difference. 4s to 5 was no speed difference haha.
20. cncrim (Posts: 805; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
Great artices, however hardware and software are hand in hand important each one have their own duty to perform......... software is a tranission and the hardware is the power engine. In short, dual cores, 2 GB RAM with the rite optimizit software it is more than capable do everyday task.
21. konnor (Posts: 30; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)
At the same time iOS is copying Android more and more. I mean, have you seen iOS7?
But this was to be expected. Both OS's are learning each other's best parts, so that's good. It's how competition is supposed to work.
22. Mr.Mr.Upgrade (Posts: 474; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)
I don't care about specs I care about software updates..s3 s4 note123 lg g2 all suck...
57. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10439; Member since: 14 May 2012)
You said Galaxy phones suck but Samsung dishes out the best software updates to their phones. Contradicts your comment.
81. Mr.Mr.Upgrade (Posts: 474; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)
Quick up like. Nexus... This phones dont
95. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10439; Member since: 14 May 2012)
After Nexus devices, Samsung is the first one to push updates to their phones first (most of the time.) and Sony/Asus afterwards. HTC, especially LG, need to change everything when it comes to which device gets upgraded and when.
109. tedkord (Posts: 10638; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
It's not so important when the two year old version you have is still better than the latest update to IOS.
23. Hammerfest (Posts: 383; Member since: 12 May 2012)
"Just ask anyone with a Nokia Lumia handset if they care (or even notice) that their device is running on hardware that would be considered "mid-range" by spec fanatics.""
Uhh my boss who owns one would beg to differ... beg lots actually!
She just switched over to Android inPART due to the dissapointment she noticed in performance between the "mid-range" lumia she has and the newer one and the lack of proper updates and support...
25. MartyK (Posts: 786; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
Wow!, Michael and Gang, someone needs to tell Intel-AMD- Qualcomm-- to stop making processor faster and better..heck we can go back to 1.0GHZ processor and Ram (spec), who needs more then 512 MB..
Heck, let's just all go back down to 3.5 inch screen, cause by your logic, we don't need bigger screen, multi-task or more Pix, cause in order to run them you must have processor power!
Tell me this $400 for 3.5 screen @1.0 Ghz or $400 for a 5.0 screen Quad @1.7 GHZ?
123. MartyK (Posts: 786; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
No, he miss the point of Android, Android has always been and will always be on the cutting edge of technology, Android needs the power to Mulit-task, work different UI, run Open communities programs.. etc, not to mention all the different launchers to run....
He should had said, "Android can run/do everything with no problem", including in water! :)
130. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10439; Member since: 14 May 2012)
My S3 has a Snapdragon S4 Plus and it runs JB perfectly fine. Sure there's hiccups but no phone is perfect. As of right now, Android doesn't need a quad-core processor, as the Moto X proves it run flawlessly without it. All Android needs is a smooth CPU and high end GPU to make a device future proof. The whole spec race is starting to die off.
What we should push in the mobile industry is battery life. Battery life > everything.
129. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2070; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
lmao that's exactly the sPec of my phone XD (the inferior spec mentioned )
26. marbovo (Posts: 658; Member since: 16 May 2013)
tsc tsc tsc PA...Why do I always have to read this Michael H. analysis... As far as I can remember when N4 was launched this very PA said that the specs were cutting edge, and as far as I know, HTC one with its snapdragon 600(the same as S4) was cutting edge at its launch. And by the way, Android still lags(not like before and every android that is not high end lags a loooooot).
59. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Thanks for the comment! Just one note: you don't "have to" read anything. We're not forcing you.
101. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
"And by the way, Android still lags(not like before and every android that is not high end lags a loooooot)."
Android lags in the same way that MS sucks.
131. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10439; Member since: 14 May 2012)
You don't known what you're talking about. Go back to the playground and play with the other kids while grown ups and tech enthusiasts talk.
28. alltechinside (Posts: 248; Member since: 21 Apr 2013)
Great article Michael!
I'm totally fine with Android trying to become more like Apple, just that I hope they don't try to follow Apple's bad side (Lawsuit, closed OS, etc..).
The Kitchen Sink vs Thoughtful approach is a very interesting idea. I think the a phone would be great to have a mixture of both. Phones need to have exclusive features which is where Kitchen Sink approach come in and I also think they need to put in a smooth and an Apple like experience. I don't think Samsung and LG balanced it out, rather dumped the phone into the kitchen Sink approach and very little onto the Thoughtful Approach. I think Moto X has gotten the right idea about the balance, but I feel let down by the price.
There are people who care about specs over software but some of them does have valid points. People that likes to flash their phones with custom roms tend to not care about the software that comes with the phone.(other than being android, otherwise, you can't flash roms...)
But for the average users or for people that dislike rooting their phone to flash roms, Software is a much greater value for them.