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Android is going to become more like Apple because that's what Google wants

0. phoneArena 08 Aug 2013, 14:47 posted on

I'm getting a little bit tired of the constant shouting by Android fans that nothing seems to matter aside from specs. The trouble I have with that argument is that it's based on old, busted logic. To me, it comes off just as silly as when Apple fans continue to claim that Android is laggy or buggy, because both arguments are based on platforms that don't exist anymore...

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posted on 08 Aug 2013, 22:13

153. verty (Posts: 124; Member since: 07 May 2012)

I personally think you are ill mannered and of low intelligence.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 23:16 2

157. AwesomestMaximuss (Posts: 146; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)

Not many ppl ll like what i said and many r going to bash me..but actually its a lot about specs..Mobile phones r moving towards where computers r nw..at some point every os ll come to a same point and it ll all be about specs..current gen of mobile phones not needing better specs only tells us about its cons(which is not true as they do need better specs)..i agree user experience does matter..infact its almost as important as the spec of a system but relying only on that ll slow the growth..any os,be it mobile or desktop,which doesnt need better specs only tells about its inabilities..the most 'heavy' apps on any os ryt nw r games(or some multimedia editing)..pc is so ahead in the spec race but still whenever a new crysis game comes out it leaves even the best graphic card in dust(just saying,i mean better the gpu,better the performance)..we dont hv enough power tht its going to waste..we r not that advanced..if anything we r always running out of power..so yeah it is and always ll be about specs..and no its not ppl who r speaking about it all being specs..its the author,Michael H who is ranting like a parrot about user experience while completely neglecting specs and wants ppl to do the same..only better specs ll give us better apps with better graphics and better performance..any amount of working on user experience wont change that..

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 23:43 4

159. CellularNinja (Posts: 306; Member since: 27 Sep 2011)

Although I can agree with you on some points, I will say that you definitely chose the wrong title for this article.

I see the point you're trying to make, but Google does not want to be more line Apple, which is exactly what you said. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong there.

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 02:51

171. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)

I see your point.. Take mobile gaming for example; the difference in terms of graphics between tegra games to those non-tegra, and the project logan as well. Mobile game graphics wouldn't be as good as it gets now if its not for the gpu specs.

I think what Michael is implying is all about user experience, and we dont need a higher specsheet for that because its actually google/the os that has to deal with this. But for everything else, ram for multitasking and gpu for graphics, specs still counts.

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 05:24 1

175. Charlie_boy (Posts: 70; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)

I like whysoserious' point..
continuing the PC analogy.. most of us techies here would have a gaming rig PC or laptop.. everyone else (like your mom) can get the usual PC with 2 or 4 core CPU and a built-in GPU.

Same for smartphones.. the bleeding edge is not for everyone. That's why most experts are predicting a boom in the midrange sector. Higher specs have diminishishing returns for the AVERAGE USER.

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 06:09

178. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)

Well, to be honest, "a stolen product, with another row of retro icons from -90" still needs a good specs. Why such retro OS needs uber specs? Because its implemented over power hungry virtual machine. Its support for multicores are poorly made. Thats why even latest devices (maded by a punch of copycats) still lags.

Android device maded by a gang of thiefs and leaded by the worlds largest spy/thief. This gang tracks everything you do, saves your whole life in dataservers. Then it sells your life for anyone who is willing to pay for it.

Luckily there is better option and that OS is in many ways better. It is WP and all those thief gang members are paying license fees for MS!

Just waiting for another laggy row of icons appearing and smiling for it through a good OS! ;)

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 06:48 2

183. nasznjoka (Posts: 413; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)

don't forget "if i want to"

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 08:48 1

187. TBomb (Posts: 822; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)

Maybe I misunderstood you, but I think you got it backwards.... relying on the user experience should speed up the growth. I ask everyone who has an iphone why they like it and the answer is always "user experience." "It's easy ot use" and it's the same as it's always been since day 1. They never have to learn any changes from new phone to new phone because the UI is the same which is why you'll see girls and the older crowd (who are usually not as tech-savvy) with an iphone vs an android. It's simple. It has what? An 8mp camera? That's not ground breaking by any means but the user experience with it is awesome. You always see articles written about "new phone X vs iphone camera" and despite being 5mp less, it still holds it's own. I'm a huge android lover and will probably never get an iphone.. it's my personal preference. Android works better for me with what I want out of a phone. But to say that the specs is the main reason I get the phone is wrong. I get it because the user experience is what I want.

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 10:59

193. AwesomestMaximuss (Posts: 146; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)

Iphone users say that cuz tht is the only thing they cn say..i did said user experience is important but specs r equally important if not more..it must sound rude but the generation of users who hv trouble getting accustomed to any thing less than simple when it comes to tech,r a dying breed..still user experience is important ..but user experience doesnt mean s@#t if apps doesnt run better on it..and with android anything u want(any kinda user interface/experience) u cn get with apps..so it matters evn less(again i dont mean to neglect it)..and better specs mean better apps,period.With lower specs some oems r holding the development back..i wish that the spec race speed up evn furthur..whn u hv enuf raw power that u cn not utilize thn u cn start neglecting specs..till then specs r as important as user experience cuz with smartphones ppl doesnt just play around with the native apps..

posted on 27 Aug 2013, 16:43

213. rabidhunter (Posts: 90; Member since: 05 Jul 2013)

Okay, I'll sell you a phone with a 4.5 GHz octa-core processor with 8GB of RAM, 5.5" Quad HD screen, for $1,100 off contract $499 on. It will run Android 2.3 out of the box, will never receive an upgrade, bootloader is not unlocked, and if you try to install an updated custom ROM the phone will self destruct.

Hardware wise, you are getting the most for your money. But the software will never be able to fully utilize the hardware.

Right now, and I'm just saying right now...Google is making the right decision by making user experience the focus point. Right now, there are few applications that even take advantage of more than two cores. Most only require one core.

The recent upgrades to Android produce a quality experience across the board. And that's where it needs to be. Let's focus on the user experience and get everything on the same page. Then we can work on the specs further.

As it is right now, the hardware has outpaced the software and that's a problem.

posted on 27 Aug 2013, 16:54

214. rabidhunter (Posts: 90; Member since: 05 Jul 2013)

Define best. Yes, I want the best overall experience for the price. That's why I'm getting the DROID Mini, it's the same internals as the Moto X, DROID Ultra and Maxx, just with a smaller screen. For the $49 I'm paying the experience is the best in price. I would rather have something I can use over the latest hardware thrown into a case where the software has not kept pace with the hardware.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 14:56 3

2. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)

This however is not looking good for samsung...no wonder their are pinning their hopes on tizen

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:17 3

19. konnor (Posts: 30; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)

Tizen is fugly and is DOA. They should stop wasting resources on it. Even Microsoft's WP8 that's supported by several companies isn't going anywhere fast, and Samsung thinks their own ugly OS and with terrible SDK's will achieve anything?

If anything, Samsung should support Ubuntu Touch. Now that's something I'd like to see them do. And Canonical has already done most of the work for them. They just need to slap it on some devices.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 18:52 4

132. Martin_Cooper (Posts: 1583; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)

1. It isnt ugly. Its a subjective subject so it might be ugly to you but pretty to many other. 2. Samsung has Intel into this and they both are throwing lots of money and time to make it work. 3. Do you even know how ugly and slow android was just 3 years ago? 4, No one said Samsung will leave android next year for tizen. They will just develop and promote it until it becomes competitive to android and then jump the ship. They could easily make an S5 with android and S5 with tizen and make the tizen model cheaper but same specs to get more people. And continue doing that until they get tizen full of users and developers. 5. Samsung wants an OS that it has full control over rather than making phones for another company OS. It will give them faster updates too and they can make perfect phone with software specifically designed for it..

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 06:16 1

179. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)

Tizen will fail just like its earlier version Meego. Nokia knew about this and luckily jumped out of boat.

posted on 11 Aug 2013, 08:59

202. Martin_Cooper (Posts: 1583; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)

NOKIA knew what? They made 1-2 meego phones and that was it? They had no support from other companies. They had no real cash and will to make it work. Give meego to google and I bet you they could make it best OS ever for phones. Its all about money, time and how much you want to invest. MS has billions to waste on WP8. Nokia didnt have billions per year just to start a new OS. Now you got the BIGGEST mobile manufacturer on the planet with nearly 50-60% of world smartphone market, you got the biggest chipset company INTEL. Lots of cash, ideas and time and its going to fail? LOL

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 14:57 13

3. PootisMan (Posts: 259; Member since: 02 Aug 2013)

Well said. I believe that the Android platform has advanced to a point where super high end specs don't really matter anymore because its the smooth user experience that makes the difference. I know some people with a gs4 for example and despite having superior specs compared to my Nexus 4, my phone seems to be consistently smoother and faster according to my friends who own the gs4. Software optimization is what really matters in the end.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:34 6

29. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)

What about android phones docking to become a desktop screen? That requires a lot more power than any android phone has now.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:20 2

68. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)

Agreed. Mid-ranged specs + higher os optimization = low cost w/ greater user experience = happy consumers.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:23 3

71. SleepingOz (unregistered)

It's a good thing that Google is focusing more on the Android experience and Android powered devices are powerful enough for now, high ends at least.
But like Shatter said(and according to many KLP leaks also), more and more people will be able to use Android as desktop replacement, so I don't think the specs race will stop anytime soon.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:24 7

76. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

That's one of the weird things though. Sometimes even if you have a device that has great performance, a lower price can influence the user to believe that the phone isn't as good. Sometimes a premium price is necessary to reinforce the idea that the user is buying a premium product. Psychology is weird like that.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 18:14 5

126. ZeroCide (Posts: 785; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)

This is the Apple frame of mind. You buy junk at high prices. Then you believe you are a superstar.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 14:36

212. rallyguy (Posts: 620; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)

I see this coming also. Google already has their Chrome OS on Chromebooks. I see the Android phone and computer being fully integrated in the future.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:01 10

4. bawboh86 (Posts: 10; Member since: 05 Jun 2013)

Unfortunately, the Android folks are still going to insult WP8 and iOS devices because they don't have the specs. As an Android-turned-WP8 user, I agree that you haven't had to worry about lag or issues with Android for a while, but Android fanboys still like to rip on Lumias and HTC WP8 devices for using "year old tech" even though they don't NEED the high specs because the experience is pretty danged good without.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:04 7

7. belovedson (Posts: 1045; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)

i had windows. windows sucks because its closed unlike wm 6.5 and the lack of software

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:09 8

13. Credo (Posts: 749; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)

For the normal consumer it don't matters if it is closed or open, they don't even know what that means ...


posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:11 7

15. bawboh86 (Posts: 10; Member since: 05 Jun 2013)

As a consumer, tech enthusiast, and software developer, I DO know what it means, and don't care. I personally like Windows Phone. But I'm also of the mindset of "to each their own." I don't like iOS, but my sister LOVES it. I got bored of Android, but my GF LOVES her's. Whatever makes you happy is really what matters.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:12 4

18. Credo (Posts: 749; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)

+920 ...

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:06 4

53. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)

I ripped on windows phone because it is on its 3rd iteration and still we are being told to wait for 8.1 to bring it to feature parity of everyone else.

But hey, it didn't lag. It just didn't do anything else right.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 17:50 8

121. 14545 (Posts: 1667; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)

I'm tired of the argument of the "normal" consumer. What, am I not a normal consumer because I want to actually be able to use my device at it's full potential? Yes, people are stupid and will pay more money for something they don't have to "learn" how to use. We are lazy like that. I want a good experience and the best specs money can buy if I'm going to pay a premium price. It would be no different than you paying 1k for a x brand i3 ivy bridge and me paying the same for a y brand haswell i5. I would rather spend my money on experience and specs, not just pad moto's pocket for screwing me. (or apple, etc.) I don't care if I can't distinguish between 1920x1080 and 1280x720, I still want the 1080 if I can get it for the same price. It would be a waste of money to not get the best specs if the cost is the same. I mean look at samsung(of which I had everything but samsung until the other OEM's said to hell with me and stopped supporting SD's, and larger batteries, looking at you HTC and Moto) they are the most successful by throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks. I think google would be wise to not go the way of apple too much without risking alienation of their base.

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