Android is going to become more like Apple because that's what Google wants
0. phoneArena 08 Aug 2013, 14:47 posted on
I'm getting a little bit tired of the constant shouting by Android fans that nothing seems to matter aside from specs. The trouble I have with that argument is that it's based on old, busted logic. To me, it comes off just as silly as when Apple fans continue to claim that Android is laggy or buggy, because both arguments are based on platforms that don't exist anymore...
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1. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
Thank God now android haters will shut up about lag and spec junkies will finally see the light however i somewhat like specs as they are a clear difference between high and low end phones!.....microsoft take note google and apple are actually adapting their OS!
10. Credo (Posts: 715; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)
As a Windows Phone user, i agree, Microsoft needs to catch up ... They are so slow, within a few days or a couple of weeks we will be receiving the GDR2 update, is there something to be excited about? HELL NO ....
157. AwesomestMaximuss (Posts: 141; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)
Not many ppl ll like what i said and many r going to bash me..but actually its a lot about specs..Mobile phones r moving towards where computers r nw..at some point every os ll come to a same point and it ll all be about specs..current gen of mobile phones not needing better specs only tells us about its cons(which is not true as they do need better specs)..i agree user experience does matter..infact its almost as important as the spec of a system but relying only on that ll slow the growth..any os,be it mobile or desktop,which doesnt need better specs only tells about its inabilities..the most 'heavy' apps on any os ryt nw r games(or some multimedia editing)..pc is so ahead in the spec race but still whenever a new crysis game comes out it leaves even the best graphic card in dust(just saying,i mean better the gpu,better the performance)..we dont hv enough power tht its going to waste..we r not that advanced..if anything we r always running out of power..so yeah it is and always ll be about specs..and no its not ppl who r speaking about it all being specs..its the author,Michael H who is ranting like a parrot about user experience while completely neglecting specs and wants ppl to do the same..only better specs ll give us better apps with better graphics and better performance..any amount of working on user experience wont change that..
187. TBomb (Posts: 459; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)
Maybe I misunderstood you, but I think you got it backwards.... relying on the user experience should speed up the growth. I ask everyone who has an iphone why they like it and the answer is always "user experience." "It's easy ot use" and it's the same as it's always been since day 1. They never have to learn any changes from new phone to new phone because the UI is the same which is why you'll see girls and the older crowd (who are usually not as tech-savvy) with an iphone vs an android. It's simple. It has what? An 8mp camera? That's not ground breaking by any means but the user experience with it is awesome. You always see articles written about "new phone X vs iphone camera" and despite being 5mp less, it still holds it's own. I'm a huge android lover and will probably never get an iphone.. it's my personal preference. Android works better for me with what I want out of a phone. But to say that the specs is the main reason I get the phone is wrong. I get it because the user experience is what I want.
193. AwesomestMaximuss (Posts: 141; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)
Iphone users say that cuz tht is the only thing they cn say..i did said user experience is important but specs r equally important if not more..it must sound rude but the generation of users who hv trouble getting accustomed to any thing less than simple when it comes to tech,r a dying breed..still user experience is important ..but user experience doesnt mean s@#t if apps doesnt run better on it..and with android anything u want(any kinda user interface/experience) u cn get with apps..so it matters evn less(again i dont mean to neglect it)..and better specs mean better apps,period.With lower specs some oems r holding the development back..i wish that the spec race speed up evn furthur..whn u hv enuf raw power that u cn not utilize thn u cn start neglecting specs..till then specs r as important as user experience cuz with smartphones ppl doesnt just play around with the native apps..
33. MartianMe (unregistered)
Michael H is just a jealous idiot that's why he's always trying so hard on making android look bad or behind apple. Just by reading at the headline i can see his envy towards google... the way i see it ios7 looks more like android and some windows. what he fails to understand is that the iphone is just an ipod touch with wireless connectivity "boring"...on androids we need high specs because our phones are real smart phones (computer like)...that's why i can transfer files and download files illegally if i wanted and much more...these are things that ifans don' know about. And as far as google wanting to built android less complicated it doesn't mean it wants to be more like apple ..that is just a stupid comparison coming from a writer...So stop trying so hard on wanting to brain wash people and tell us already how much is apple paying you to post all this nonsense article???? i'm sick of your bs and like i told you before ...you belong to cnet.
38. PapaSmurf (Posts: 9848; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Looks like Michael has selected you for an all paid vacation for a week! Have fun!
45. MartianMe (unregistered)
I wish so i can put him in his place.
66. PapaSmurf (Posts: 9848; Member since: 14 May 2012)
And what are you going to do? Tell him he's wrong? Put him in his place.. Lmfao you're funny.
98. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Why would Michael select Martian for a holiday? IMO, Martian selected himself.
Separately, I agree with Michael's concept of 2 threads of Android toys - one for the spec geeks and one for everyone else. Spec geeks will gravitate toward Sammy edition Google Play toys, like the GS IV Google Play edition. The everyone else version will look something like the Moto X.
49. Blazers (Posts: 337; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
"that's why i can transfer files and download files illegally"
You lost all credibility when you posted that statement.
50. Dorothy69 (banned) (Posts: 498; Member since: 21 May 2013)
How dare you speak ill of my beloved and bethrothed Michael; it's certainly not his fault that most Android phones are on the high-end of the spec scale now. So, we have to slow down a bit, it's realistic. Face it, Android premium smartphones have surpassed phones made by that other OS(i) in every way, thereby, setting a new standard. We can handle limited spec bumps for a few years. Heck, iOS users have had limited specs bumps for a majority of their iTerations, OG iPhone, of course, notwithstanding. So I say, let us focus on the true evolution of the platform so that we may continue to be the envy of all those end-users having baaa-haaa-haaa-aaad experiences on their tiny "smart" phones!
107. therealestboy (Posts: 47; Member since: 03 May 2013)
There is nothing great about Android spec sheet. In fact, those spec you are taking about are free for any company to use. If apple wanted they could easily have bought the highest and the best qualcom or whatever has to offer. It takes time and a lot money to make a SOC and optimize instead of buying genetic SOCs. That is why I like where Motorola is going with its Moto X phone.
119. Dorothy69 (banned) (Posts: 498; Member since: 21 May 2013)
You said it, if they wanted to they could've: coulda', woulda', shoulda' but they didn't (2 snaps and a circle)!!
They chose mid-range and sub-standard. The most interesting part of your post is how Motorola is not buying "genetic SOCs" - sounds like they should be buying genetic, it just sounds so technologically advanced.
55. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Always fun to get comments from people who didn't read the article. Thanks MartianMe!
92. javac (Posts: 102; Member since: 04 Mar 2013)
i have to say i hate it when people talk about how hardware doesnt matter without knowing why an apple phone doesnt need high specs. and why an android requires muh higher specs. You really need to do your homework before you write articles like this
100. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I am incredibly amused that the two people to comment on my #55 are Python and JavaC. Amused and motivated to get back to my programming study!
105. bonsly16 (Posts: 59; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Comprehension skills seems to be lacking in some of your readers. =\
137. MartianMe (unregistered)
You mad bro???
144. joey_sfb (Posts: 4349; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
the reason we look at the hardware spec so much is because we want to make sure we get the most for our money, software side we could always select the desires ROM from xda later.
213. rabidhunter (Posts: 90; Member since: 05 Jul 2013)
Okay, I'll sell you a phone with a 4.5 GHz octa-core processor with 8GB of RAM, 5.5" Quad HD screen, for $1,100 off contract $499 on. It will run Android 2.3 out of the box, will never receive an upgrade, bootloader is not unlocked, and if you try to install an updated custom ROM the phone will self destruct.
Hardware wise, you are getting the most for your money. But the software will never be able to fully utilize the hardware.
Right now, and I'm just saying right now...Google is making the right decision by making user experience the focus point. Right now, there are few applications that even take advantage of more than two cores. Most only require one core.
The recent upgrades to Android produce a quality experience across the board. And that's where it needs to be. Let's focus on the user experience and get everything on the same page. Then we can work on the specs further.
As it is right now, the hardware has outpaced the software and that's a problem.
159. CellularNinja (Posts: 306; Member since: 27 Sep 2011)
Although I can agree with you on some points, I will say that you definitely chose the wrong title for this article.
I see the point you're trying to make, but Google does not want to be more line Apple, which is exactly what you said. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong there.
56. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
Clearly you didn't read the entire article and just stopped on the first paragraph, did you?
84. boosook (Posts: 1274; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
geta a life, it's just a phone. btw, you probably read only the headline.
153. verty (Posts: 116; Member since: 07 May 2012)
I personally think you are ill mannered and of low intelligence.
46. sum182 (Posts: 229; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
I would just like to point out.....that your compairing an OS to a company in the article...."Android is becoming like Apple"....Now, "android is becoming like iOS", sure, i see your point here, less spec-y, more about performance and optimization. As a long time android user, i definitely agree about the evolution. Good, i like that (but keep the openness and customization, as well as new features). However, Android is not becoming like apple....google is not becoming like apple....google said all along, it wants affordable, reliable tech in the hands of everyone. And they are able to achieve that now with the evolution of android (and even more with KLP hopefully). But that's much different from apple, who plays a profit game....and that is the key difference in my eyes on who's platform i go with. Now "Samsung is becoming more like Apple", there we go!
79. javac (Posts: 102; Member since: 04 Mar 2013)
I have to say there is a reason why tech junkies are so focussed on the hardware specs and not the software. this article is incredibly misleading. if you look at ios 7 apple is taking things from microsoft and google. i dont think google wants to be anything like apple. as of right now the android operating system is the superior product. look at the sales last year compared to this year. android is at almost 80% of the worlds smartphones. there is a reason for this. why would they want to have anything like a product that is at 15%? google knows what they are doing and it has nothing to do with ios
111. therealestboy (Posts: 47; Member since: 03 May 2013)
You don't make much sense. Sales don't have anything to do with the quality of a product. Windows sells more than osx and osx is arguably better in terms of quality and experience.
118. jdoee100 (Posts: 334; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
"Sales don't have anything to do with the quality of a product," hmmm, interesting....
87. javac (Posts: 102; Member since: 04 Mar 2013)
I would also like to add what is wrong with wanting the best? that is what drives innovation. you want everyone to just accept that a product that has a slower proccessor or a lower resolution screen is an equal to those that offer higher specs? if everyone was content with what came out 5 years ago we wouldnt have 4g, 720p, 2600 batteries, 8 mp cameras, glass that is scratch and shatter resistant, dual core. you would still be using a flip phone. the only reason why things keep getting better is because thats what people want. they dont want to tech from 20 years ago. they want to be able to do things faster while multitasking while talking on the phone.
110. jdoee100 (Posts: 334; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
The author wants to make Moto X look good, and justify its high pricing. However, Moto X most likely will have as much success as Nokia, BB with premium pricing strategy.
171. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
I see your point.. Take mobile gaming for example; the difference in terms of graphics between tegra games to those non-tegra, and the project logan as well. Mobile game graphics wouldn't be as good as it gets now if its not for the gpu specs.
I think what Michael is implying is all about user experience, and we dont need a higher specsheet for that because its actually google/the os that has to deal with this. But for everything else, ram for multitasking and gpu for graphics, specs still counts.
175. Charlie_boy (Posts: 67; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)
I like whysoserious' point..
continuing the PC analogy.. most of us techies here would have a gaming rig PC or laptop.. everyone else (like your mom) can get the usual PC with 2 or 4 core CPU and a built-in GPU.
Same for smartphones.. the bleeding edge is not for everyone. That's why most experts are predicting a boom in the midrange sector. Higher specs have diminishishing returns for the AVERAGE USER.
214. rabidhunter (Posts: 90; Member since: 05 Jul 2013)
Define best. Yes, I want the best overall experience for the price. That's why I'm getting the DROID Mini, it's the same internals as the Moto X, DROID Ultra and Maxx, just with a smaller screen. For the $49 I'm paying the experience is the best in price. I would rather have something I can use over the latest hardware thrown into a case where the software has not kept pace with the hardware.
102. parvsingh05 (Posts: 98; Member since: 11 Jan 2012)
Reality: android fone's pace has increased,(high speed,high specs, new technology.) evry year Google's os(and phones) is developing into a invincible beast.(no doubt)
problem: Apple still making out profits from technology of iphone 4 (since 2010) .no major development,( design, speed specs) high time
do something like u did in 2010, by releasing features like retina display, and other major new development.(wow features)
right now in my opinion we cant really comment which is the best and will rule in future. there are 3 os and its a triple threat match. wp8 vs ios7 vs klp
125. thelukewarm (Posts: 18; Member since: 18 Dec 2012)
still I'll get a HD or fullHD screen, don't you think so?
178. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
Well, to be honest, "a stolen product, with another row of retro icons from -90" still needs a good specs. Why such retro OS needs uber specs? Because its implemented over power hungry virtual machine. Its support for multicores are poorly made. Thats why even latest devices (maded by a punch of copycats) still lags.
Android device maded by a gang of thiefs and leaded by the worlds largest spy/thief. This gang tracks everything you do, saves your whole life in dataservers. Then it sells your life for anyone who is willing to pay for it.
Luckily there is better option and that OS is in many ways better. It is WP and all those thief gang members are paying license fees for MS!
Just waiting for another laggy row of icons appearing and smiling for it through a good OS! ;)
2. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
This however is not looking good for samsung...no wonder their are pinning their hopes on tizen
19. konnor (Posts: 30; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)
Tizen is fugly and is DOA. They should stop wasting resources on it. Even Microsoft's WP8 that's supported by several companies isn't going anywhere fast, and Samsung thinks their own ugly OS and with terrible SDK's will achieve anything?
If anything, Samsung should support Ubuntu Touch. Now that's something I'd like to see them do. And Canonical has already done most of the work for them. They just need to slap it on some devices.
132. Martin_Cooper (Posts: 1008; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)
1. It isnt ugly. Its a subjective subject so it might be ugly to you but pretty to many other. 2. Samsung has Intel into this and they both are throwing lots of money and time to make it work. 3. Do you even know how ugly and slow android was just 3 years ago? 4, No one said Samsung will leave android next year for tizen. They will just develop and promote it until it becomes competitive to android and then jump the ship. They could easily make an S5 with android and S5 with tizen and make the tizen model cheaper but same specs to get more people. And continue doing that until they get tizen full of users and developers. 5. Samsung wants an OS that it has full control over rather than making phones for another company OS. It will give them faster updates too and they can make perfect phone with software specifically designed for it..
179. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
Tizen will fail just like its earlier version Meego. Nokia knew about this and luckily jumped out of boat.
202. Martin_Cooper (Posts: 1008; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)
NOKIA knew what? They made 1-2 meego phones and that was it? They had no support from other companies. They had no real cash and will to make it work. Give meego to google and I bet you they could make it best OS ever for phones. Its all about money, time and how much you want to invest. MS has billions to waste on WP8. Nokia didnt have billions per year just to start a new OS. Now you got the BIGGEST mobile manufacturer on the planet with nearly 50-60% of world smartphone market, you got the biggest chipset company INTEL. Lots of cash, ideas and time and its going to fail? LOL
3. PootisMan (Posts: 230; Member since: 02 Aug 2013)
Well said. I believe that the Android platform has advanced to a point where super high end specs don't really matter anymore because its the smooth user experience that makes the difference. I know some people with a gs4 for example and despite having superior specs compared to my Nexus 4, my phone seems to be consistently smoother and faster according to my friends who own the gs4. Software optimization is what really matters in the end.
29. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
What about android phones docking to become a desktop screen? That requires a lot more power than any android phone has now.
68. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
Agreed. Mid-ranged specs + higher os optimization = low cost w/ greater user experience = happy consumers.
76. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
That's one of the weird things though. Sometimes even if you have a device that has great performance, a lower price can influence the user to believe that the phone isn't as good. Sometimes a premium price is necessary to reinforce the idea that the user is buying a premium product. Psychology is weird like that.
126. ZeroCide (Posts: 722; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)
This is the Apple frame of mind. You buy junk at high prices. Then you believe you are a superstar.
71. SleepingOz (unregistered)
It's a good thing that Google is focusing more on the Android experience and Android powered devices are powerful enough for now, high ends at least.
But like Shatter said(and according to many KLP leaks also), more and more people will be able to use Android as desktop replacement, so I don't think the specs race will stop anytime soon.
212. rallyguy (Posts: 620; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
I see this coming also. Google already has their Chrome OS on Chromebooks. I see the Android phone and computer being fully integrated in the future.
4. bawboh86 (Posts: 10; Member since: 05 Jun 2013)
Unfortunately, the Android folks are still going to insult WP8 and iOS devices because they don't have the specs. As an Android-turned-WP8 user, I agree that you haven't had to worry about lag or issues with Android for a while, but Android fanboys still like to rip on Lumias and HTC WP8 devices for using "year old tech" even though they don't NEED the high specs because the experience is pretty danged good without.
7. belovedson (Posts: 832; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
i had windows. windows sucks because its closed unlike wm 6.5 and the lack of software
13. Credo (Posts: 715; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)
For the normal consumer it don't matters if it is closed or open, they don't even know what that means ...
15. bawboh86 (Posts: 10; Member since: 05 Jun 2013)
As a consumer, tech enthusiast, and software developer, I DO know what it means, and don't care. I personally like Windows Phone. But I'm also of the mindset of "to each their own." I don't like iOS, but my sister LOVES it. I got bored of Android, but my GF LOVES her's. Whatever makes you happy is really what matters.
165. joey_sfb (Posts: 4349; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
If you get easily bored than wp8 will only last you for weeks. I have one and I don't know what to do with it except selling it for a lost. I asking my mom whether she want it.
Mistake..at least my Windows 7 PC I used it for game regularly.
121. 14545 (Posts: 1273; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
I'm tired of the argument of the "normal" consumer. What, am I not a normal consumer because I want to actually be able to use my device at it's full potential? Yes, people are stupid and will pay more money for something they don't have to "learn" how to use. We are lazy like that. I want a good experience and the best specs money can buy if I'm going to pay a premium price. It would be no different than you paying 1k for a x brand i3 ivy bridge and me paying the same for a y brand haswell i5. I would rather spend my money on experience and specs, not just pad moto's pocket for screwing me. (or apple, etc.) I don't care if I can't distinguish between 1920x1080 and 1280x720, I still want the 1080 if I can get it for the same price. It would be a waste of money to not get the best specs if the cost is the same. I mean look at samsung(of which I had everything but samsung until the other OEM's said to hell with me and stopped supporting SD's, and larger batteries, looking at you HTC and Moto) they are the most successful by throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks. I think google would be wise to not go the way of apple too much without risking alienation of their base.