Android developers unite against Google, want fairer rules
0. phoneArena 02 Mar 2011, 10:06 posted on
Some Android developers have decided to take the power into their own hands, and formed an anti-Google group called...
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1. 10aera (Posts: 34; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
Well... it is true that what Google answered to Ric wasn't cool! But it is also true that Google deseves a great percentage of earning because their's is the platform (in this case, boss and owner of the building and environment) developers use to make profit. If he makes his living from android... thanks to google... he must respect the rules of android and google like any other employee must respect his/her employer rules! However, Google depend deeply on its developers... so... a new arragement must be done... 20% for google will be nice considering that the main source of profit for google on android is on advertising... take care of your employees and they will take care of the company!
3. protozeloz (Posts: 5394; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
agreed. people must also remember that Google offers the payment method for them and as a company that offers payment service to any other a certain percentage must be applied in other to, at minimum keep the service operational
7. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
But this totally contradicts to what android fanatics claim that Apple is money hungry while google is not. Apple gets way lesser kickback from developers than this.
11. protozeloz (Posts: 5394; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
I think I've never talked about how much apple charges to devs, I think 25-30% is a fair rate for paid apps if you count that little promotion is needed (some apps promote themselves) and that you do not require to have any other payment service
15. giantgnome (Posts: 67; Member since: 11 Feb 2011)
A typical Apple fan. Why don't you research what Google does with their 30% before you spout out ignorant posts. Google actually relinquishes most of that 30% to the carrier the purchase was made over. They hold on to a small portion to cover legal and operating expenses.
23. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Blah, its just an idiot group of developers and it will go nowhere.
Average business profits are concidered healthy at 6-8% after its all said and done. This guy is complaining about 68% profit. You make the product yes, but then isnt it google that serves it on the market probably on some centralized server somewhere. That takes a lot of money.
Dont be so quick to jump on the developer's side just because he is the main character in this article. Why was his app removed? Google rarely removes an app, so there must have been a good reason. Why does he not think 68% profit is a good profit for an app he probably wrote in his underwear in his mom's basement? He doesnt pay any of the upkeep costs once its loaded on google's servers.
2. snowgator (Posts: 3515; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
As large and powerful as the Android OS has become, it will take a large group of developers to make a dent. While I have no idea how many programmers are in this line of work, one would think those who are trying to break into this buisness are praying these deveoplers do go to another OS so they can take their place. No reason for Google to change anything at this point, as they are on the verge of becoming the largest OS in the market, maybe as soon as the end of this quarter. More power to em, though.
4. lol (unregistered)
haha microsoft right across the street is offering a 70/30 split for developers. Android= short term success.
5. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
WHAT? 32%? But isn't google really nice and not money hungry like Apple is according to android fanatics? How could this be? Let me guess what android fanatics would say. "This is a marketing strategy by Apple", or, "Apple paid those android developers to badmouth google".
16. giantgnome (Posts: 67; Member since: 11 Feb 2011)
Stop spamming please, read my reply to your earlier spam why Google's 30% cut is still different than Apple's 30% cut.
32. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Google only takes 2 percent more this way than Apple does. And Google doesn't block purchases made in-app or off the market. And the OS is given away for free.
We never said Google was a flower child company. I expect them to look for ways to make a profit; a company can't operate any other way.
What we argue is that Google just isn't as cutthroat in its practices as Apple is.
6. DontHateOnS60 (Posts: 864; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)
Drop the name "Union" from the group and replace it with Alliance. No companies want to deal with unions anymore, and the public doesn't exactly hold high opinions for them either. Then go after Google.
12. protozeloz (Posts: 5394; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
can I get a Job there? they sure pay you well to talk
14. zuno gyakusatsu (Posts: 257; Member since: 16 Mar 2010)
at least someone here has a brain. well played my friend. android is the feces of the mobile world.
19. Misanthropos (Posts: 56; Member since: 03 Aug 2010)
It's unstable, it's unoriginal, lack of security, lack of email support, each device varies accross the market causing incompatabilities, the bad apps get through and ruin people's phones, it's gotten to the point of being more "hype" and "social symbol" than Apple. Only thing is, Apple creates a quality product that is uniform cross carrier with apps that are checked on, so you know they will work with your phone.
30. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Unstable? I haven't had an issue with instability while using either of the Android devices I've used. I also know many, many users who would swear by their Android phones.
Lack of email support? What email support does Android lack? I've gotten many email services to work on Android devices.
Device varies? True, but you get what you pay for. Most high end Android devices have no issue running most of the apps on the Market, and usually if there are issues the developers release updates to fix them.
Bad apps get through and ruin peoples' phones? Yeah sure, okay. That's why there's a little star rating you can use to downrate crap apps and thus warn others away from using them. Shocking, right? And don't talk to me about bad apps when Apple okayed the Baby Shaker app.
Yes, Apple is pretty uniform. They're uniform when it comes to locked down content, overpricing, arbitrary app control, and crappy reception on their devices.
And as for you, Derp, research reported reliability of cell phones, and you'll find that Apple ranks about the same as the other smartphone manufacturers.
21. derp (unregistered)
How about the fact that Android is the least secure mobile OS out there? The email application is laughable with how buggy and unreliable it is. Shall we even mention the infamous fragmentation issue? Android fanboys gloat about how their oh so loved OS is open source but look at how its biting them in the ass. WebOS is far more open source than Android ever was. Throw that on top of garbage hardware, mass produce it with overly slack QA, and you have your current line up of faulty screened (Motorola), random power cycling (LG), Freezing & constant Force Closing (HTC), Phones. Yay Android.
9. cc (unregistered)
10. messiah (Posts: 434; Member since: 19 Feb 2010)
This is like someone being surprised 32% of their income is deducted off their cheque every two weeks in the form of taxes and insurances. The union boys need to grow up . There is nothing new here by Google as opposed to any other employer.
Stop whining, union members, no one gets 100% of their value.
13. Yeco (Posts: 4; Member since: 09 Dec 2009)
First of all, developers need to come up with more quality apps in order to use that as leverage to negotiate take rates.
17. hawk62 (Posts: 320; Member since: 21 Nov 2009)
Oh plz ppl! Google is as greedy as any company. And dont any forget it. They might be more greedy! At less apple checks their app store.
20. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Why else would Google 'give away' the Android O/S? Just like with their 'free' search engine, someone is paying the freight. It comes direct (in the form of a 32% haircut to the developer) or indirect from ad revenues. As messiah posted, no one gets 100% of their value.
22. Nobody (unregistered)
Amid comments of hateful stupidity I offer this. If you like Apple, you've leaped at this opportunity to shove more rhetoric down the Android-liker's throat, and if you're a lover of Google, you've tried to rationalize this to proclaim Google's innocence, either way, unless you're a developer and actually have spent some time in the business, you do not know what you're talking about, you don't know the ins and outs of app-making, you don't have any place to spout crap about it, because you're speaking in ignorance. Maybe 30-some percent is a lot to ask, maybe it's not, all things considered, you don't know, let the Developers who have been offended or whatever take it up with Google.
Because maybe the deal isn't a problem for most developers, and the few who are a part of this movement just feel like they should get more; maybe there really are evil-doers who work for Google, whatever, this is between the two afflicted parties, it's not your personal smear-campaign; I'm getting sick of having all this juvenile bickering between the fandoms. If you like Apple, fine, you have a preference - good for you! - but that doesn't make it any better than Android or WebOS or what the fuck ever, just grow up, stop focusing on yourself and your likes as if they're the only that matter. You might think that Android, for example, is a crappy OS, but if you honestly think that because you think something, it automatically is so, you yourself are shit. Smelly shit, at that, for you stagnate and bring down the collective worth of all those around you. ("All those around you" being the others who are in the iPhone fanclub)
Contrastingly, and just to be fair, if you dislike Apple and think Steve Jobs is some evil dictator who thinks that everyone should love Apple or whatever, I say this: if you were in a position he was when he launched the iPhone, so far beyond, so at the top, and after all the time researching and perfecting the product, only to have the vast and ominous waves of Android threaten that high seat in a few years, you yourself may just be forced to keep things a little tight in order to keep that seat. And, considering that a lot of end-users don't even know what the OS stands for in iOS, maybe that's why Apple limits things and come across the way it sometimes does... I lost my train of thought, but the point is, there's generally a reason for everything, and stop the fucking bickering, everyone. Grow up.
You may ensue the hate-responses now, thank you.
24. Air305 (unregistered)
i hated the android OS to complicated you know what they say "the pretty grrls dont have androids they have a blackberries"
31. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
And they still don't freakin' know how to use them.
25. Z (unregistered)
I believe in negotation.
I think Google is making a decent profit out of Android and it would be rational to accept a small cut down on its fee.
Also a business partner that behaves like Google did is never a good partner.
A small fee reduction and better support from Google would make everybody happy.
Otherwise, Nokia and Microsoft are waiting around the corner (poor Symbian).
26. treytrey408 (unregistered)
LOL..wow that was threatening. build a bridge and get over it dude.
27. Google Inc. (unregistered)
Well, this seems fair. Developers get the Android OS for free, so Google deserves to make their own rules.
28. KarlE (Posts: 5; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
i dont have a big problem with the 30%......its their shitty/arrogant attitude they have that i hate.
29. Rawrzellers (Posts: 224; Member since: 22 Aug 2010)
30% is not that much :/ and their service is giving you a platform to make your income off of. Android from what I have read is a free platform for manufacturers so they make their money off the platform from the devs it's really not that hard to understand. Google is a massive company so I'm surprised just because he has 18 apps he thinks he's entitled to some royalty? I don't think a company has ever sent me a personal email unless it's from a supplier or a small company that I'm ordering from.
33. Seadog (Posts: 1; Member since: 03 Mar 2011)
I think "unions, alliances, associations..." are needed in all aspects of life. Go for it!
Google and "all" must do better to satisfy customers, developers and the like. I can think of many companies that have faltered because they burned bridges thru neglect.
For those who went off topic...and cursed, shame on you. I know you were taught better.
34. kev (unregistered)
For the money Google is making off these developers they should offer proper service. An automated email is not acceptable.