Android by Microsoft? Supposedly there is an Android powered Lumia in the works, will bear Nokia by Microsoft branding
0. phoneArena 07 Jul 2014, 01:26 posted on
If this bit of information proves to be correct, we may be witnessing a “when pigs fly” type of event in...
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73. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
it's fine if you want your storage to be used by many OS, but not me. I would hate a dual-boot device with small storage.
81. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
You have a valid point. Android occupies way too much space on the storage.
What a junk.
86. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
I was thinking the other way around, LOL.
12. AfterShock (Posts: 3697; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
This could be good news for fans of android.
It could be, I'm not sold yet given so little is known.
25. Planterz (Posts: 1343; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
I wouldn't mind a Nokia built Android (a proper one, not the X). Solid construction, great camera, etc.
26. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
If Microsoft wants to make any money off their Nokia purchase, this is pretty much what they have to do -- make a real Android phone.
WP is basically a mobile OS that is in a medically induced coma, only kept alive by constant infusions of Microsoft cash. WP may look alive, but take away the Microsoft IV hookup, and it'll die right quick.
30. Planterz (Posts: 1343; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
To me, the death of WP is signaled by the lack of app support, or more specifically, the lack of developers that want anything to do with WP. Major banks have said that they have no plans to make WP apps. It ain't worth it for developers to spend the time/money/resources to make an app for 1% (or or 3%, or whatever tiny fraction WP holds) of the market. And without app support, people aren't going to want to buy Windows Phones.
Yeah, it's a catch-22. I WANT Windows Phone to succeed. I really, really do, despite all the @#$^ I fling their way. Or rather, I fling that $#^% BECAUSE they aren't doing what they could. I don't like iOS, and I hate Apple as a company, but I have the upmost respect for what they do and what they've done. I love Android, and I know that Android wouldn't be remotely what it is today if iOS didn't push them to be better.
But Windows Phone...They're not doing anything to progress smartphones. Yeah, the Nokia cameras are great. But that's Nokia. WP is like the RC Cola of the smartphone world.
36. juandante (Posts: 447; Member since: 23 Apr 2013)
The real problem on Micro$oft is their sad past. I don't know what age you have, if you where to young to know but the general public remembers.
With all the tyrannic stories behind
there very bad Windows Update,
what they did to the netbooks,
Windows Media Player,
monopolizing with very vicious tactics the PC market,
all their blue screens on death,
preventing old computers from running new software with bloated closed source code,
Internet Explorer 6,
what they did to Nokia,
I can tell you one thing very few people want to hear today about Micro$oft, starting by me.
I really curse this company being a power user.
You could tell me Google is the same but it is just lying to yourself, starting just by watching the openeness of Android.
74. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
At least M$ knows how to write codes unlike Google.
At least M$ does write the codes themselves instead of relying on contributions.
I'm really getting sick of all those wannabe techies that think it's cool to bash "evil" M$ and Apple.
Android is a collection of opensource projects that come with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY according to the license clauses.
Google and the Android vendors make billions of dollars using them without paying the authors a single cent. What's so "good" in this?
What a ripoff. Android phones should cost nothing to customers according to the opensource spirit.
76. Sniggly (Posts: 7220; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Clearly you're an utter dumbass and don't understand what "open source" means.
84. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
Obviously, you are the one who knows nothing about open source while I'm a contributor - GPL only, since I absolutely don't want others to make money with my work without contributing anything themselves.
And if you don't know what's so different with GPL, just scroogle for that.
93. Sniggly (Posts: 7220; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Google doesn't make any money directly off of Android. And the open source software they used was done with the original coders' blessing. In fact, the original CEO of Sun (before Oracle took it over) was pretty jazzed that Google was using his software for Android.
87. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
M$ really know how to write code with "BACK DOOR"
104. jroc74 (Posts: 5201; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
"At least M$ does write the codes themselves instead of relying on contributions."
In other words.....to hell with open source huh? To hell with Linux huh...
Wow man, wow...
Android the software does cost nothing.....please compile a version of Android and run it on your own built phone, thanks. Guess how much it would cost you to do that....
By your logic, any PC that shipped with with Linux should be free. Tell that to Dell and others...
119. luxzy801 (Posts: 138; Member since: 16 Jun 2010)
Ok, now lets throw this in the opposite direction.
There is a reason why its still No.1
Service pack updates kept it away from constant attacks and refreshed the OS, putting it into the realm of current specs and technology
People were buying them, and they worked.. So what did they do to netbooks?
Windows media player:
Yea, that one is kinda crap....
Its not really monopolizing when nobody wants to buy the other crap thats out in the market, its not their fault that people wanted Windows.......
Blue screen of death:
If you didnt run crappy software built by someone in the basement, this would not happen (Given, mainly on NFTS, but W98SE fixed that issue as well, pretty quickly too)...
Preventing old computers from running new software and closed source code..
Apparently you have not tried any of these, if you have, you would not have put it on this list...
Internet Explorer 6:
ok, im gonna give you this one as well, it was pretty crappy....
What they did not Nokia;
They saved Nokia, that is why we are here and still talking about it.
Its great to talk and not realize what the actual facts around you are. Great list, but definately flawed in retrospect.
And dont get me started on the openness of android.
33. fzacek (Posts: 2350; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
Android on something like the Lumina Icon would be sweet!
35. Planterz (Posts: 1343; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Give me a 1020 running Android. That'd be like a Wendy's triple Baconator with Jack-in-the-Box's curly fries washed down with a Mexican Coke made with cane sugar.
37. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1233; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Folks Windows Mobile smart phone were on the market before Apple Iphones or any Android smart phones came on the market and had enough innovations in it that Android OEMS have to Pay Microsoft Royalties on it's smart pones innovations. Microsoft for whatever reasons stopped investing in smart phone Tech until Windows Phone 7 with it metro tiles which is a great innovation because unlike dead ass icons that are on Apple Iphones and Android screens the Windows smart phone tiles update data with in the tiles.
The tiles are not pretty. I have urged Microsoft to dress them up a little by giving the tiles rounded corners instead of the sharp 90 degree corners they have today but microsoft
interface design engineers are lost they still fail to realize studies show that People prefer the shape of Circles and curvy rounded off shapes more than boxy rectangles or boxes.
OH well at least I warned them. Maybe in Windows 9 we will tiles with rounded off corners or their sides curved outward. The MS interface does need a fresh look. If it get one MS will sell More smart phones and tablets.
50. sks1969 (Posts: 86; Member since: 04 Mar 2012)
Rounded corners for tiles waste valuable screen estate for the sake of looking nice, that is against UI design.
113. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3567; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
You've clearly lost it.. This is what happens when you think too hard about absolutely nothing...
And, you wonder why MS hasn't fulfilled your request... Lol!..;-);-)
39. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1233; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
as for a Lumia Based X Phone is concerned all Microsoft has to do is put their forked Android OS in a Lumia 920 case with different colors than the Windows 8- 920 has and sell them as the Nokia By Microsoft -XL2-. the Nokia Lumia case design is old now. Android Fans would buy It because of it's Camera tech and toughness. MS would not have to invest big bucks and time to make a New case and Electronics ect they would just use what they have already got with an Android OS inside it
40. express77 (unregistered)
Seriously! It would have been great if Nokia did it but MS! They themselves don't trust their own OS and expect it to gain market! Nokia refused to make android phone in favour of MS WP whereas MS is making Android. What the hell! Rather than making Android, they should focus on improving WP.
114. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3567; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
He's actually got a pretty good track record... Even WPCentral ran an article on this because of his TR.... That's the "scary" thing about it... IDK what to think..
42. volvoV70guy (Posts: 13; Member since: 06 Jun 2014)
Interesting. I'm continually amused by the impassioned hatred for Microsoft by Google fans. It makes no sense at all. That being said, I hope WP sticks around, I just want a simple smartphone that works well and has a good camera. I have a computer to do all the other stuff better than any mobile app, regardless of platform, can do.
44. Sniggly (Posts: 7220; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
"It makes no sense at all."
I love it when WP fanboys intentionally blind themselves to history so they can keep sucking off Microsoft.
45. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3648; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Microsoft called this by the campaign Scroogle. Dare you defend now.
53. Sniggly (Posts: 7220; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Oh, it didn't even start with Scroogled. It started way before that.
But I'm not going to the trouble of explaining it to Volvo. He doesn't know, and he doesn't want to know, the kind of bullsh.it that Microsoft has pulled against Google.
94. elitewolverine (Posts: 2574; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
educate everyone on the innocent google....
Also the scroogled campaign started after google was found to block companies from accessing their 'free' api's and limiting incoming connections and a host of other things. This was even brought up by other companies.
Of course no company, MS, Google, Intel, AMD, etc etc is innocent, ever.
105. jroc74 (Posts: 5201; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
LAlso the scroogled campaign started after google was found to block companies from accessing their 'free' api's and limiting incoming connections and a host of other things. This was even brought up by other companies."
Lets say this is true.....how does this give MS the right to spread lies and FUD about Google, when alot of their free services do the exact same thing?
115. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3567; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
WP isn't going anywhere... Where would you get that idea?
43. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3648; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Lol okay. This is never going to happen thanks to microsoft. Evleaks better give up the marijuana you've been smoking all these months.
47. sks1969 (Posts: 86; Member since: 04 Mar 2012)
Don't mind it if they say goodbye WP for phones and leave it as is for tablets. Android by MS is better than google Android for one, I don't want Google tracking me every minute. I have also observed that X's battery life is better than equivalents from other companies inspite of having huge batteries.
52. Sniggly (Posts: 7220; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Microsoft tracks you too, you know. Also, you can opt out of any tracking that Google does.
55. sks1969 (Posts: 86; Member since: 04 Mar 2012)
Not like Google does, Google is able to track even if you fart :-) I dont think that you can opt out. Tracking has been redefined by Google (they collect the data anyways, when you opt out they don't use it :-))
57. Sniggly (Posts: 7220; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No, you can go into your account settings and turn off all tracking.
Another example of you bashing Google without having any clue what you're talking about.
59. sks1969 (Posts: 86; Member since: 04 Mar 2012)
They want you to believe that. I should be able to run Google maps and navigate without and internet connection, can it be done. As of Google Android 4.3 it could not be done. can it be done today?
Either way. the services collect data and send them to google servers they may not tag the data with your ID as per the agreement. Does the agreement mention that they are not going to collect any data from your device, I remember reading that they collect the data but do not track you. If you give your consent they freak out with your data. They also try to make sure that you don't get all the features when you do not give your consent. MS will probably do the same sometime when the Enterprise business goes into bad shape, but for now I think we need to enjoy with some privacy.
61. Sniggly (Posts: 7220; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I believe there are offline modes with maps, but it makes sense to keep most map data on the host server and have you access it with an Internet connection, because holy crap do you know how much data goes into even the basic map information Google has collected? That would be a stupidly heavy load on your phone.
And as for MS, don't fool yourself. They STILL use your data as of now. They're opt out just like Google, but they obviously have you believing they don't do it at all.
106. jroc74 (Posts: 5201; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I suggest you look into the targeted ads options for both Gmail and hotmail, and try again.
As was already explained, just how many maps software lets you do offline navigation? That option is still there for Google maps too. It might not be as good as others, but they are getting better.
How about I cant use alot of GPS apps on my phone period without a connection. Not just Google Maps.
58. sks1969 (Posts: 86; Member since: 04 Mar 2012)
What I really mean by what I said above rather crudely is, MS has an Enterprise business to support, they still make money out of it, if you work in the software industry you know that. But google makes money ONLY by using your data, about X $/year/per google account, not sure on the number. They have no other source of income. Now it is upto us to decide where we want to go Google Android or MS Android?
60. Sniggly (Posts: 7220; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No, see, that's where you're wrong. Google makes its money off of ADVERTISING. They will still put ads on screen with or without your data; they prefer to have your data so they know what ads to target you with, in order to make it more likely that you'll click on the ad. However, their money comes DIRECTLY from people who buy advertising space from them.
For instance, go to Youtube on Internet Explorer (because who the hell actually uses Internet Explorer enough to be signed into any of their accounts there?) You'll notice that if you watch a monetized video, usually a music video or something like that, you're still going to get an ad no matter what. However, if you're logged in you're more likely to get an ad that's relevant to you.
And more recently, Google's been trying to turn its data collection into a benefit for customers with services like Google Now, which work remarkably well. I can't tell you how many times Now has done a beautiful job of automatically picking up on things to track for me without me even having to ask.
I really wish you would just shut the fu.ck instead of running your mouth on all the FUD you clearly and gladly swallowed after Microsoft jetted it into your waiting mouth.
62. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3648; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Ouch! the last lines were harsh LOL.
63. Sniggly (Posts: 7220; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
If there's one thing I can't stand it's people running their mouths without any supporting evidence. It's why I can't stand young earth creationists, climate change denialists, conspiracy theorists, and let's not forget Justin Bieber and Skrillex fans.
65. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3648; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Quick question- holo or material design?
71. Sniggly (Posts: 7220; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Good question. Holo has been great, but I'm kinda digging material design. I'll be able to make a better assessment when I have the update (which is all but guaranteed due to my ownership of the Moto X) :D
75. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3648; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
I was using the L on my nexus 7 last week, I didn't find the new notif. center and recent app menu fascinating. It is a step down IMO. Also the overly colorful UI makes it ugly as WP sometimes. HOLO felt mature, clean yet modern.
Using a Moto G(great device), kinda tough budget currently, hoping to pickup Moto Algebra(:p) or the nexus 6 this fall.
79. Sniggly (Posts: 7220; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
YES!!! My pet name for the Moto X+1 is picking up steam! :D
I don't know, I like the color. I really loved the shades of blue Motorola added to the Gingerbread interface with Blur.
Like I said, I have to reserve final judgment until I can use it though.
80. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3648; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Forgot to mention, switched back to CM11 :)
120. luxzy801 (Posts: 138; Member since: 16 Jun 2010)
"Justin Bieber and Skrillex fans"
That one came out of nowhere LOL
68. pureviewuser (Posts: 266; Member since: 11 Nov 2012)
rodneyej1 don't give your time to those idiots mate they never have anything constructive to say ie never give the clowns the audience they crave Btw I'm getting a lumia 1520 today and I know it's gonna be awesome.
78. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3648; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Hurts, doesn't it?
Constructive? As if he talks wisely. Find me a single comment of him which doesn't has WP in it, even on a non-wp article.
88. MC1123 (Posts: 1252; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
It's gonna be an android aosp! Because if you have brain microsoft will push consumers to their own ecosystem! A high end or high mid range phone
91. pureviewuser (Posts: 266; Member since: 11 Nov 2012)
Com I've read his comments although he prefers wp he does not trash the others highlighting deficiencies of the others and wp in a constructive manner I for oneam a nokia and wp fan through and through however that is my preference there areas where IMO it is better than the others however I recognise that the others iOS and android is better than wp ie all have there strength and weaknesses and like I previously said his comments are constructive.
92. pureviewuser (Posts: 266; Member since: 11 Nov 2012)
And no it doesn't hurt the more choices the better as the consumer will benefit in the end from the competition
95. elitewolverine (Posts: 2574; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
The power of android is choice. Yet when you don't include Google, people piss on it. So much for 'choice'.
Considering MS makes money off every single android device sold, it would be a no brainer to make their own forked android version like they have done and sell it like they are trying to do.
Google did not invent AOSP, google used it for their own version, just like MS is trying to do. Open Source junkies should rejoice, this is the power of open source according to them. The more the merrier...
103. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3648; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Google did not invent AOSP(Android Open Source Project)? Elaborate please.
About MS using Open source... They mock Google, they mock android, they claim WP being superior over android. Yet they use Google developed android and make it look like sh*t and make consumers believe that android is crap. Figure it out.
107. jroc74 (Posts: 5201; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
"Considering MS makes money off every single android device sold"
Uh...No they dont, Moto has yet to bow down to MS. And they actually counter sued MS and won for some tech in the 360.
And if you look into it, every android OEM doesnt pay. A huge chunk does, but not all.