Analysts lower expectations on Windows Phone sales
0. phoneArena 25 Apr 2012, 21:18 posted on
Analysts who figured that all of Nokia's Symbian totin' users would switch to Windows Phone which would allow the latter to become number two by surpassing iOS, were dead wrong and now the analysts are lowering their estimate of Windows Phone sales...
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1. RobotMan (Posts: 124; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Windows Phone 7, nah, not a chance. WP8, maybe, hope not the same tiles UI as WP7.
9. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
1) the old models probably wont get new WP
2) very very limited system
3) strange UI
4) high prices.....still decreasing but no help
tell me just ONE reason I should buy it instead of Android or iPhone?
A) If I want a limited OS I would buy more spread iPhone
B) for everything else I have Android
so why WP???
14. CharlieAtInfinity (Posts: 253; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
I agree with you 100% and you forgot one thing.. apps on a WP are more expensive than Android and iPhone so why buy a Windows Device? and most of the apps perform under "limited" capacity on the WP than on Android or iOS
19. haseebzahid (Posts: 1802; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
Its what you say not everyone hates its features and not everyone likes APPLE and ANDROID so why not buy the new thing unlike most guys are like old people who just want to stick with what they have rather try new stuff its not a fail OS its brilliant only problem is its new and started from Scratch so it will take its time just like Android did for i think 4 years to gain market share so why does people thinks "OW its a fail OS" without even looking at its potential because MS is way bigger then APPLE not just Mobile imagine what will they integrate with WP8 or WP_OS APPLE don't even have features that MS can integrate. for example if MS is shutdown today every company will go down with it if Apple goes down only handful will suffer. forget about ANDROID its only an OS it don't even have orign it was made on forums.
23. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
yes, why not....but the sales prove what I said :)
24. snowgator (Posts: 3188; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Old models will get some working version of WP8. And all the complaints on WP7 and it's App development seem to come from people who think iOS and Android both started with their OS mature. Did iOS start with version 5 and 500,000 apps? Was Cupcake as good or as well supported as ICS is? WP is farther along and well more supported at 2 years old than anyone could hope for. Can it still fail? Sure, especially if RIM bounces back with BB10. Apple and Android users will most likely stay with their OS, leaving WP and Nokia trying hard to build their base. But it is a fast, enjoyable, well supported, and unique OS. Not to mention Microsoft is in this for the long haul and has enough HUGE profits from other sources. WP will be Okay, haters. Enjoy your devices,
28. medicci37 (Posts: 593; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
It's 2012 & i don't want a os that isn't mature (not willing to wait years for MS to get their OS together) & knowing MS's history (Zune & Vista for instance) I see no reason to put any faith in them. Also, MS has not given any reason to think existing phones will be updated to W8.
29. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
with so stupid attitude like yours there would be no progress at all.
2. max9777 (Posts: 59; Member since: 11 Dec 2011)
This is some interesting analytic response from these people. I hope they don't embarrass themselves in the long run :)
3. raunak (Posts: 498; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)
i think its still early to talk about sales. No one knows what will happen when nokia lumia pureview with WP8 and lumia tablets launches.
6. aoikemono27 (Posts: 177; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
Not too early to talk about sales. It's almost May already. WP8 won't come out until the end of the year and it will have to compete with the completely redesigned iPhone5 as well as a lackluster WP7 base to build from. No new device will launch until WP8. Samsung has jumped off the bandwagon until WP8. HTC just released an "update" to their Titan phone, which is arguably worse in many respects to the original. LG doesn't have anything, nor Sony. Huawei/ZTE/Acer not worth mentioning.
The only thing even keeping WP7 afloat is the Lumia 800/900 since everyone else has backed off. The sales are not phenomenal by any means. 30-40million is ludicrous. The Galaxy S only sold 10mil and it was considered revolutionary, the S II probably 20 mil. The Nokia PureView is a moronic Symbian phone, which has yet to get released, ditto to the WP7 version which will take even longer since Nokia takes forever to release products, and the PureView itself is a niche product that will turn off buyers with its appearance and super thick body.
2012 Is not shaping up the way Microsoft has hoped and Nokia really hasn't delivered at all. A blown up N9 isn't gonna revolutionize anything. Better luck in 2013 with WP8.
5. Roomaku (Posts: 278; Member since: 06 Feb 2012)
They need to get some folders then everything will work out for WP.
7. ron1niro (Posts: 54; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
predictions, speculation, this is how people embarrass themselves. The guy who said that nokia wouldn't be able to sell more than 1 million lumia 710's and 800's, where is he now? They have sold over 1.5 million of those and their availability hasn't been so widespread. It is not fair to compare sales of lumias with those of i-phones or galaxy s2's. Windows phone is a new product that is just starting to pick up.
10. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
New product? It launched in Nov 2010...
Compare that to Android. Even tho the G1 launched in 2008, Android didnt really pick up steam until the Droid 1 and Eris launched at the end of 2009.
By the middle of 2010...Android was already creeping up the marketshare charts. Getting ready to pass Win Mo. Thats another thing....Micsosoft already had a smartphone out there before both Android and the iPhone.
And lets not forget that compared to Android and the iPhone....Microsoft has been at this waaaay longer.
13. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
And WP7 launched with waaaaay more phones than Android did. Phones with better specs too.
26. snowgator (Posts: 3188; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
And again, as I stated in an above post, Android was a shell of what it is now. And your "better spec" argument shows you.are not paying attention or are just anti-WP. All anyone who ever has held a WP in their hand has ever heard is how far behind it is in Apps, features, and hardware. That is why WP 8 is so important: It will be the first time it can go toe to toe in an almost fair fight with Android and Apple.
31. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Thats my point...WP7 was much further along than Android when they both launched, dont really know about iOS.
Look how fast Android grew in about the same amount of time that WP7 has been out.
The fact that for specs it launched with better specs....I'm talking about when both OS's launched. Really...WP7 still had better specs than most low end Android phones when it launched...and WP7 is a smoother scrolling experience...
Those 2 things ppl can see and feel for themselves in the store.
There should be no reason it isnt climbing the marketshare charts.
8. ZubairRaz (Posts: 5; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
I was a Symbian user, used belle as well and now switched to android not wp7... coz its too limited yet...
11. kslaughter32296 (Posts: 11; Member since: 12 Aug 2011)
No offense to wp7, but android is better than wp7 and ios put together. I mean yes, some of the windows phones out there have better hardware, I will admit. but android has the best apps ever. the best free games, the best free music downloader ever (btw guys any android ppl out there, look up music download wizard, and get the easy music wizard. when it is downloaded and installed it will say arrow player and it has a huge library to choose from) but yeah.
22. Mozarrt (Posts: 294; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)
But everything looks designed by a 3 year old, I'm even trading in my dualcore Xperia S for a Lumia 800.
12. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
What analyst need to realize is that overall Android is a decent mobile OS and the hardware is decent.
Ppl need a reason to switch. Granted going WP7 gives one smoother scrolling than Android so there is no need for one to feel like they HAVE to go iPhoe for that.
WP7 would be my next mobile OS if one day I was tired of Android. So far....I dont see me leaving Android.
I have been saying this since 2010: MS waited too long to try to answer the iPhone. They waited too long to go to capacitive screens.
So far they just waited too long. We will see in the next 2-3 years if that wait can be overcome. If not...MS should just get paid from the lisence fees they already get paid for from some of the Android manufactures. Stop wasting money if WP7 doesnt get the sales they want.
15. jove39 (Posts: 1247; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Microsoft is not able to enhance WP like Android...see the way Android has progressed in last couple of years from 2.x to 4.x. WP progress is...slow...still no hd display...multi-core cpu support...and top of all no customization.
16. shreyasdilip (Posts: 8; Member since: 24 Apr 2012)
I believe that windows phone will rise in the next 3 or 4 yrs as they try to increase the hardware specs, truthfully tho, windows phone will be third in the smartphone market! WP 8 will definitely cause a dent in the market share of ios and Android but not enough to take over ios!
17. shreyasdilip (Posts: 8; Member since: 24 Apr 2012)
and seriously no Symbian user will comfortably switch to windows phone, the openness of Symbian will drive them towards Android... Apps are so easy to install! WP is very ios like in its approach, which will deter some Symbian users
18. kanagadeepan (Posts: 634; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
Yes, that is one of the most important reason for me a die-hard symbian user to switch to Android...
20. haseebzahid (Posts: 1802; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
I did switched to WP7 u NOOB after i had DEMO on IOS/ANDROID WP7 is way more better performing and easy then ANDROID even a single core wp7 can match against Android highest spec mobile and android can only be better in fraction against WP7.so after multi-core android will obviously be behind WP8 in performance and application are not an issue they will add up in time
33. shreyasdilip (Posts: 8; Member since: 24 Apr 2012)
You idiot, I switched from Symbian to wp7 and the one thing I missed was the easy app installation, if I couldn't get it from the ovi store I'd just get some app off the net and instantly install it.. I never talked about the performance.. Comprehend before you call someone a noob!
21. darktranquillity (Posts: 284; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)
Agree,i was a symbian user for almost 4 years before jumping in on the android wagon.
25. gevvyd (Posts: 12; Member since: 17 Feb 2010)
I think its because of this:
Paul Thurrott confirms no Windows Phone 8 for any current handsets!!
"No. It won’t happen. Not for the Lumia 900, and not for any other existing phone. It won’t happen partially, through an update that will deliver just some features, and it won’t happen for those who wish to pay for such an update. It simply isn’t happening."
And people can even port ICS to their HTC g1. No one wants to hear they won't the new update on their mobile after just buying it!!
27. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1018; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
There will be 2 Windows smart phones on the market place this year which are
1= The current Windows 7 series smart phones and unfortunately absolutely none of them will get an upgrade to Windows Phone 8 2=Windows phone 8 models that will be the successor to Window Phone 7 series smart phones The Windows 8 smart phones require different internal Electronics so that they can have all the High tech electronics and Hi def screens, Dual Core CPU's, Android and Apple smart phones have today. This year Windows smart phones will finally be able compete with All the high tech smart phones that are on the Market. now what Microsoft has to do is make it easy for Owners of the current Windows 7 series smart to trade in their Old Windows smart phones to get the New windows 8 super smart phones It is the fair thing to do to their current windows 7 series smart phone Owners
2013 there will be Only Windows Phone 8 models for sale because. Microsoft wants all their devices to have a variation of the same OS Windows 8.
30. DontHateOnS60 (Posts: 825; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)
Android is the only one that gives them the feature rich environment they had with Symbian. Fact.
32. t_newt (Posts: 3; Member since: 28 Apr 2012)
"IOS/ANDROID WP7 is way more better performing and easy then ANDROID even a single core wp7 can match against Android highest spec mobile."
See, there's your problem. The OS is nice, but the hardware is crippled. Nokia would probably just love to come out with the best hardware on the market, but Microsoft says, "Sorry, only one core, limited screen and camera resolution--that's the rule."
If Ford made a deal with Microsoft, their cars would all be required to be small sedans with less than 100 horsepower.
Granted, those small sedans might be excellent cars, but customers might want a car with more seats or a bigger engine, and sometimes they just want to buy the phone with the most cores and highest resolution screens.
Apple could get away with it because when they came out they were offering the first easy-to-use multifeatured phones and every new phone offers something new that no one else has. Now mutlifeatured, easy-to-use smart phones are everywhere, and Microsoft, however nice their phones may be, don't offer anything unique (ESPECIALLY with the hardware).
Microsoft, stop strangling Nokia! Let THEM tell YOU what features the next phone should have, and whip your programmers into shape to support those features.