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Analysts disagree about Apple iPhone sales figures

0. phoneArena 25 Sep 2013, 01:24 posted on

On Monday morning, Apple announced that it had sold a record 9 million Apple iPhone 5s and Apple iPhone 5c units during the launch weekend and all was right with the world again; Apple CEO Tim Cook was once again branded a genius worthy of carrying Steve Jobs' jock and all of a sudden Samsung was relegated to the position of a pesky competitor to Apple...

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posted on 25 Sep 2013, 07:02 5

36. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)


To a point. If carriers aren't selling the phones they purchased, then over this quarter and the next, they won't be purchasing replacement units. If this is true, in the end it's not good for Apple sales.

Opening day sales are great if you break records but if your annual sales are lower, records don't mean much.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 15:04 2

61. SellPhones82 (Posts: 569; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


The carriers are in an agreement to buy "X" amount of iPhones from Apple over a period of time. For Sprint that deal was 30.5 Million iPhones over 4 years (deal set in 2011 for $20 Billion) so these were technically sold to the carrier 2 years ago and that money would have already been factored into previous quarters. Can't seem to find any details on the t-mobile and apple deal for some reason, my bet is Apple didn't want everyone to know how much their asking price had dropped in a year.

Carriers don't order or buy phones from Apple like they do other OEMs. Apple tells them they will offer the phone on their network as long as they agree to move a certain amount of phones which the carrier pays for regardless if they sell them or not. Again this is why these numbers are artificial.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sprint-to-bet-the-farm-on-a-20-billion-Apple-deal-over-the-next-4-years-iPhone-5-exclusivity-in-tow_id22647

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 02:20 11

7. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Well I walked into an Apple store to buy one to craigslist and buy one for the company I work for like at 2pm on launch day. No chance I would be able to do that on the launch days of the iPhone 4, 4s, and 5.

I thought those numbers looked fishy especially when the shipping dates didn't get pushed back until a few days after launch. While iPhone 5 sold out online in minutes.

The writing is on the wall. Apple is slowly but surely going lose more and more of their market.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 02:25 12

8. amiaq (Posts: 509; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)


Wow, as I said, now they are counting numbers of iphone SHIPPED not SOLD!

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 12:35

54. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 10678; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


But if they are shipped, they are sold. Sold to a customer. Carriers are Apple customers too. Carriers do a deal directly with Apple. When a carrier makes an order, they much pay for that order, thus it is a sale. It is up to the carrier or retailer to sale their paid for stock to recoup there money. Which is why most retailers sale the phone for the exact same price as Apple does do they get back 100% of their money and then some. While carriers will subsidize the cost in 1/2, to get you to sign a contract and get their money via data plans and accessories.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 02:35 3

10. Nayabandaa (Posts: 29; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


Well yo be honest, for once. I had actually believed those figures, so it's kinda shameful if they do manipulate things to such extent. No company shall do such things because in one way or other, it is same as corruption.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 02:38 1

11. Nayabandaa (Posts: 29; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


Apologies for grammar and spell mistakes.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 02:40 10

12. salaman2122 (Posts: 1; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


I can 100% agree. I work for Verizon in the Seattle metro area. We have 75 plus Iphone 5c's in our inventory room just sitting there. After launch weekend which wasnt very impressive, not many people seem that interested. A few preorders for the 5s but that's it. The 9 million is way off if my store is any reflection of Iphone sales.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 04:59 1

29. blingblingthing (Posts: 538; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)


This does make sense. If any believes this was sold to consumers, just how many were shipped? 12 to 15 million?

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 08:15 3

39. wumberpeb (Posts: 453; Member since: 14 Mar 2011)


I agree 100%.

I'm at a Sprint retailer in upstate ny that usually pushes around 200 phones per month, close to 300 for the holidays. Unfortunately, we were only given 3 5S and about 20 5C. The 5S sold out in a couple of hours, but we only sold one of the 5C all day. As of Tuesday, we still had 15 left... friends working at an AT&T store in the same mall paralleled our sales figures.

Between the preproduction problems and overall underwhelming excitement for this product launch, there's no way they sold a record number of these.

Fuzzy numbers, indeed.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 02:47

14. Bozzor (Posts: 182; Member since: 02 May 2012)


No, this is wrong: Apples numbers are absolutely correct for sold, not shipped: remember that the iPhone 5s and 5c launched in China also this time round in addition to other markets, so the 9 million number is pretty much correct for phones that walked out the door in the hands of happy customers.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 02:58 7

16. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Baloney. The Chinese market was already open to prior iphones and it is highly unlikely that the new models sold more than a few hundred thousand in its country of origin. There are much better and desirable phones already available, why would they settle an overpriced inferior product, especially one that has led so many of their fellow citizens to suicide?

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 03:34

20. Bozzor (Posts: 182; Member since: 02 May 2012)


This sin the first time the iPhone launched in the PRC the same time as the other 'first to launch' nations.

There are phones that may be more 'specced'. but the iPhone still has a devoted legion in China. The iPhone is simply a total package that still cannot be matched.

And also, Apples press release is clear: "sold" is the word, not shipped.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 17:49

62. theaztech (unregistered)


"a total package that still cannot be matched"

You are correct sir,
Most phones cant scoop down so low.
You guys dont even have an hd screen.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 03:02 13

18. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Don't believe the liePhone.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 04:47 4

27. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


As expected from Apple.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 04:53 3

28. amiaq (Posts: 509; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)


Liar Liar... iphone on fire, lets kick ifan on the rear

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 05:23

30. Akfred (banned) (Posts: 76; Member since: 08 Nov 2012)


I was wondering who and who that bought the new iphone
,cos here in Africa apple iPhone hardly see the light of the
Day. Apple just to match the competition they now had to
Lie about sale figure. I tire ooo

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 05:55

32. darkkjedii (Posts: 22062; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


9 million Gene

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 06:14 2

34. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Mm it was weird not to see reports of huge iPhone lines or huge delay in orders despite having (from the start) a lower inventory of certain devices... But to think apple would lie about its sales figures just to raise some stock, wow that's quite the shock

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 07:19

37. Ninetysix (Posts: 2460; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


Here you go.

http://9to5mac.com/2013/09/19/long-lines-start-forming-at-apple-stores-worldwide-for-iphone-5s5c-retail-launch/

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 08:11 1

38. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Thanks!! honestly don't know why no one on PA posted about this.... I mean I was expecting this huge lines and twitter rage about the lack of X idevice.....

now its hard to tell the truth... maybe its in the middle of both worlds?

posted on 26 Sep 2013, 20:59

66. glentomas123 (Posts: 70; Member since: 01 Jun 2011)


Sure doesn't look like 9 million in line!

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 06:26 1

35. artealis (Posts: 98; Member since: 15 Dec 2010)


dont forget your new ipon is waterproof.
and your old ipon can be waterproof after update to ios7
the nine million bs

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 08:31

40. tryingHARD (Posts: 64; Member since: 31 Dec 2012)


Still waiting for my space grey. My s4 sucks! Got suspended because i missed calls of my boss because my s4 lags like sheet! I maybe the 10millionth buyer.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 10:35 8

46. procopiojose (Posts: 132; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


don't pretend to have an s4.. iDiot...

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 11:54 3

49. Doakie (Posts: 2107; Member since: 06 May 2009)


Seems like you should ask your boss for a work phone so he stops calling you on your personal phone. If your job depends on them being able to contact you they should provide you with a work only phone. If your S4 is a work phone you need to get it serviced or you shouldn't be installing all the games and crap that bog it down. Out of the box a S4 runs like a champ. I suspect lies.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 08:52 1

41. gamblor77 (Posts: 106; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


I thought it was pretty dirty of the author to try go discredit Peter Misek with that dig about the bad BlackBerry call. People make mistakes and sometimes have to take chances in stocks. It doesn't mean the guy is fabricating poor sales numbers for Apple. Just seems like reality is not setting in about Apple actually losing market share and they are. I really feel within a month Apple sales will drop off a cliff once the dust settles and the 4s people get their fix after skipping the minor upgrade to the 5.

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 10:33 2

45. procopiojose (Posts: 132; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


stupid iPhone.. the only new feature is finger print scanner.. what do you send using a phone? launch code for nuclear weapons? iOS 7 is sooo lame and has the Hanna Montana feel to it..

posted on 25 Sep 2013, 12:32 2

53. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 10678; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


"My Little Pony"

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