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Analyst thinks BlackBerry 10 will be "dead on arrival"

0. phoneArena 07 Nov 2012, 21:04 posted on

It's been something of a rollercoaster for BlackBerry fans recently, although admittedly, the rollercoaster has been mostly downswings. So, it shouldn't really be a surprise that an analyst is now saying that BlackBerry 10 will be "dead on arrival", nor should it surprise that not everyone agrees...

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posted on 07 Nov 2012, 21:06 35

1. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)

Don't these analysts have something better to do? Even astrologers are better than these clowns.

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 21:49 3

8. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)

Well BB, where's that new awesome phone with 2 gigs of ram at that PA said u'd announce like 2 months ago?!! LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 21:51 9

9. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)

You know BB10 phones are coming next year, don't you?

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 01:40 3

23. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1236; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)

BB is just being very late to the party...a launch before the holidays would've really given them a chance to rack up some serious coin....and its always leaks and dates...dont overdo it BB ....it might just end up being all fizzle

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 02:43 2

25. bluexperia (Posts: 41; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)

nothing but agree... new os seems promising but late launch would make them like a baby learn to walk again...

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 21:54 2

11. iWorld (Posts: 85; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)

Is it BlackBerry 10 will be dead "on arrival"

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 00:19 1

16. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)

if you work with shares you need to know this.....time to switch to Android, dear RIM
you can make it different, you have a chance to show your creativity

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 21:12 10

2. Birds (Posts: 1157; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)

I won't believe it till I see it.

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 21:15 1

3. thatguyyouknow (Posts: 1; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)

NO s**t....

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 21:15 3

4. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

Well, RIM will have the better part of 2013 to try to build sales from near zero after missing out on the 2012 holiday sales....

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 21:27 6

5. xtroid2k (Posts: 517; Member since: 11 Jan 2010)

Last stand. Can RIM survive. Only time will tell.

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 21:52

10. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)

Is that really a Question that needs to be asked right now, I mean LOOK at BB, RIM dude!!!! It's a freakin mess!

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 00:54

19. TheMan (Posts: 490; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)

A mess for sure, but I was just reading a 2008 article about Motorola, which at the time at an 8.5% market share after falling from 20%. It was declared "a mess" too. Point is, it's possible to turn around a company, even RIM.

That said, I confess that I've always thought BB was terribly overrated during the crackberry era. I still think it'll take a change from the outside to bring it back.

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 21:34 2

6. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 12979; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)

It doesn't take an analyst to come up with something so obvious.

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 21:41 11

7. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

yea who would have predicetd that IPAD share would be down to 50% :D

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 00:20 2

17. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)

I did a year ago.....and last year I DID know that Android would have at least 60 % next year 2013 ;)
but it is and was obvious too

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 22:04 4

12. reader (Posts: 1; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)

I wonder why analysts always have negative "prediction" or comment on non-US brands while having a good news always for apple. any apple s**t always have good news. they even defend apple's shortcoming. and the best part is: blogs publish them all the time.

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 22:22 3

13. Johnnokia (Posts: 1093; Member since: 27 May 2012)

RIM, Motorola and Nokia gave a huge favor in building this great phone's world. I wish them always the best luck, even I have never had Blackberry in my life.But, RIM has to be survived.

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 22:27 1

14. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)

Of all the phones in the market my preference would be Nokia/BB/Jolla>Nexus>iPhone>other Androids>Other WP

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 08:34 3

29. Darkerm (Posts: 308; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)

Yeah, I want everyone to Survive. If we got more mobile OS, we will have more competition and more quality Apps, Games, and devices ^_^

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 22:43 1

15. slaggyb (Posts: 214; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Who the hell is James Faucette??

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 00:46

18. bloodline (Posts: 706; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)

In before apple sues

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 01:17 1

20. lolwoot (Posts: 27; Member since: 01 Jun 2011)

AHAAH!!!! DOA you say? honestly, BB 10 already Dead Before Announced more like it >:)

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 01:19

21. Doakie (Posts: 2004; Member since: 06 May 2009)

Yeah this is going to be pretty humiliating. Rim should have just taken AOSP and built atop it with a BlackBerry 10-like skin. They would have been able to draw from the momentum of Android, and combined their hardware expertise with custom BlackBerry exclusive apps and they could have held on. Same thing with Nokia, they should have taken AOSP and skinned it with a Symbian style skin. Their existing user base would have stuck it out and with the Android ecosystem backing them up they wouldn't have had any issues with shortage of apps... Looks like the people who lead companies are idiots.

posted on 09 Nov 2012, 02:01

39. ShibeshMehrotra (Posts: 9; Member since: 03 Apr 2012)

Oh, so by your logic, even Apple should just take the iPhone and a put an iOS-skinned version of Android on it.

"Looks like the people who lead companies are idiots."

Looks like we've got ourselves a winner here.

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 02:27 2

24. speckledapple (Posts: 892; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)

I care not for analysts but I do hope that BB10 provides a significant boost to the blackberry ecosystem. I would like an environment where four major mobile OS systems are competing with each other on price, features, and most importantly quality. Just imaginging Android, iOS, Windows Phone, and BB10, awesome

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 23:56

35. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)

yeah!!! foursome! thats awesome!

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 04:52

26. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 987; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)

IMO, RIM has a better chance than Nokia and the BB10 OS has a better chance than WP, its all a matter of great timing though. If WP doesnt manage to rack up some market share in the holiday season with the WP8 devices then RIM will have a great chance as WP still wont be as well recognised. Lets wait and see :)

posted on 09 Nov 2012, 00:06

36. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)

actually true!! but i think WP still has a chance! but RIM's problem is that, it dont have enough money to do marketing that microsoft is doing...

and even though nokia is bigger than RIM, RIM close the top 5 manufacturer around the world(1-samsung, 2-apple and 5- BlackBerry)! so meaning BlackBerry is still well-loved by people! and meaning BlackBerry OS is the 3rd ecosystem in the war!

if press could just be positive for RIM and stop saying BS like this one... BB10 will be a sure win for RIM!

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 07:27

27. snowgator (Posts: 3583; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

I want a job as an analyst... I want to be able to guess and be held unaccountable a year later.

There are billions of smart phones sold each year- enough sales for more than 2 OS's to be successful.

The only type of phone that is sure to flop in the coming years is the feature phone. A few hundred million more of those users will be coming over to smart phones, increasing the user base for BB10 and other OS's to appeal to.

BlackBerry STILL has a fairly loyal user base willing to give BB10 a try, and hopeful it is successful. In that regard, it is better positioned to be successful then my beloved WP8, which has to build an audience yet.

I understand how little room for error RIM has in the window of oppportunity for BB10's. It is a hard sell, especially since RIM does not have real deep pockets like a Microsoft . It needs income from one source. But RIM is doing the right thing getting it right before releasing it. Too much at stake for them to screw up the launch. Developers will come to them long before a open sourced WebOS, or an unproven MeeGo, Tizen, or Firefox OS's. BB10 has a punchers chance.

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 12:49

31. PotDragon (banned) (Posts: 214; Member since: 22 Jul 2011)

Just curious....how many people do you think exist currently on planet Earth? You seem to have no clue.

How many smart phone users exist currently on planet Earth? You DEFINITELY have no clue about that either.

Care to adjust your predictions taking some sort of reality into account?

posted on 09 Nov 2012, 07:29

41. snowgator (Posts: 3583; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

Notice how you do not post anything to disprove my numbers.

First off, I apologize for not providing actually links, but I kept getting a system error, so I will have to give you the names of the sites. According to:

The World Population Clock by the Government Census,
World Population by Worldemeters,


World Population by Continents as produced by the Nations Online Project.

There are over 7 BILLION people on planet Earth. (That would be billions with an "s", meaning plural.)

Now, according to the BBC New on July 9 2010, there were over 5 BILLION mobile phone connections worldwide. (That would be that pesky "s" again.) According to:


That number grew to almost 6 BILLION in 2011. 491 MILLION new sales. Most of those were STILL feature phone sales,but each year due to the price of smart phones dropping, those sales convert to the better devices. This year is supposed to be the year smart phones outsell feature phones.

More then enough for 3 or four OS's to survive.

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 07:48

28. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)

But these analysts are always talking s**t, for a lack of a better word. They've been predicting RIM's death since 2010 and that has had dire consequences for the company's share price. Yes, RIM has been guilty of stalling, that's why they may be deserving of a failure. But for some reason they've magaged to stay afloat.

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 13:30

32. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

Yea, RIM hasnt done too hot in the past 2 years, but a lot of the stock drops have been moreso due to analysts declaring doom and gloom on them rather than actual missteps on their part. Not saying they haven't had any, and not saying that some of the stock drop is definitely warranted, but Wall Street can be known to be way overexagerated since hype either way determines a stock price more than actual company results. If you look at the actual numbers for sales and revenue for RIM, the picture isnt NEARLY as bad as they make it out to be. And if you look at the numbers for Apple, yes, they are entirely fantastic, but not fantastic enough to justify the stock almost doubling year over year between the Iphone 4 and 4S and the 4S and 5. Analysts do this on purpose to make big profits on fast stock rises (like they did on Apple, but the stock is collapsing soom sincer you can only ride this train for so long before you have to cash in.) orr making money on the short market (which they surely have with RIM). And the average joe buys in every time, and the stock guys are the ones that laugh their way to the bank.

posted on 09 Nov 2012, 00:17

37. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)

coz of loyalty! and BlackBerry is an awesome device, coz in my place owning a BB device is cool! very classy and professional!

and BB10 will make it cooler and make BlackBerry Hotter!!

analyst are just people who dont have a life! who wants to judge other people/company to make a buzz!

its like TMZ, they are unknown people but im really wondering why people still watch that show!

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 11:31 1

30. kindlefireowner (Posts: 503; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

My 2 cents is in the USA, Blackberry is done. People with 2 year contracts are not waiting around for BB10 phones. Can't see people upgrading early to get a BB10 phone. That leaves what. Just the loyal blackberry users that did not bail. Those numbers are small.

posted on 08 Nov 2012, 23:55

34. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)

this is nikolas speaking!

analyst are really pathetic! i better listen to fortune tellers and astronomers than to them!

BB10 will be a good platform to all kind--gamer, business people, teens, moms, etc!

posted on 09 Nov 2012, 01:11

38. Googlethis (Posts: 179; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)

I would gladly wait for a phone that will release with minimal to no bugs and can be usefull for what ever I use it for rather than just fullfilling some of what I need it to do.

posted on 09 Nov 2012, 02:12

40. ShibeshMehrotra (Posts: 9; Member since: 03 Apr 2012)

They're going in for a whole new market after a very long break. Won't be dead, but yeah coughing and wheezing. There's still a chance of reviving it but it only lies with the existing user base. It's hard to imagine an average joe buying a BB10 device over an SIII or a 920, if they're in the same price range. I'd never go for something with that uncertain a future, and with no "USP's". The 808, even if in the same price range, offers a superlative camera, and that's why a niche audience buys it. Hard to say anything similar about a BB10 device.

posted on 09 Nov 2012, 23:29

42. bovcrx (Posts: 68; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)

Idc what an analyst says. I'm getting BB10 regardless and using android at the same Damn time

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