Analyst says Nokia should adopt Android before it's too late
0. phoneArena 02 Jul 2013, 10:18 posted on
In a note to clients, Bernstein Research's Pierre Ferragu warns that Nokia may have “to take the pill before one cannot afford to do so anymore” eying Android as a possible fit for Nokia's low-end devices and indicating that the symbiosis with Redmond may run the Finnish company into the ground...
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47. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I too am a Nokia fan, but was kicked out of the club because I like Android better than WP, LOL! I agree with you 1,000%. If I can get a Nokia with Google/Android... I done with the other OEMs. Their nice, but just can not beat Nokia hardware wise. Motorola is a close second, but their designing department needs to retire. I would love to see this happen, fingers crossed.
27. GROBARIZACIJA (Posts: 6; Member since: 26 Jun 2013)
Maybe is better to use Ubuntu Touch OS or Firefox OS! Haha :D
28. StreetNerd (Posts: 708; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
fuk off with android... we dont need another android OEM -_-' spec wars is bullcrap
72. 8logic (Posts: 131; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
more oem = more competition = more choices = happier consumers
84. lorenzattractor (Posts: 64; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)
What's the point of having more OEM's if they all have the same OS? More OS = more choices IMO. Other than the "skin" and a few features thrown by the OEM, Android will always be Android.
93. -box- (Posts: 3821; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Same argument as having as many PC manufacturers as there used to be. There were several dozen major ones in the nineties, now there's just Acer, Alienware (owned by Dell), Asus, Compaq, Dell, eMachines (or did they get bought by Acer?), Gateway (also purchased by Acer if I remember), HP, Lenovo, Panasonic, Razer, Samsung, Sony, and Vizio. Those are the ones I remember from a recent trip to Best Buy. That's 14, separating subsidiaries. None of them have vastly more share than another; they're all going for the same Windows-out-of-the-box pie, just like Acer, Asus, HTC, Huawei, LG, Motorola, Oppo, Samsung, Sony, Toshiba, Vizio, ZTE, etc, all going for the Android pie. Too crowded, and tough for anyone to get a foothold, let alone a majority.
29. MartyK (Posts: 714; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
Naw, Elop don't listen , you're doing fine (wink wink) per the Nokian..
Think about it like this -
Nokian ( Fan-boys &M.S.) prefer to have 100% of 6 millions WP8 Ship vs having only 30% of 500 million Android ship (150 million)
This make sense...hahaha
30. timezone (Posts: 81; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
This is proof that analysts should not run companies because they will destroy them. We all want immediate gratification. Nokia is doing a great job turning the company around with the windows phone. Nokia will be lost as a has been if on Android. By the way Nokia is great because the OS is also great. Nokia has great hardware and it doesn't require quad core to run a fart app as it does on Android. Also the Android platform is segmenting into groups where an app on a Droid may not run on another phone. Nokia has much work to do to really turn things around but to say in midstream to switch to Android at the point of success is idiocy and this analyst is an idiot.
73. 8logic (Posts: 131; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
as much as i like the hardware (camera), i hate wp that much more lol
31. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1145; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
if all else fails, since android is free, nokia can easily slap android os in a phone.
94. -box- (Posts: 3821; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Android is NOT FREE. There are royalties to be paid for certain patent infringements native to the OS, some of which go to MICROSOFT. So what financial sense does it make to pay a company for an OS it isn't paying you to use?
32. dre786 (Posts: 44; Member since: 10 Nov 2012)
why don't you guys see the picture here all those who screaming Nokia +Crapdroid =success is just wishfull thinking. 1st android is a crowded out of control market space
how much people will forsake there S3/S4, LGOG, Sony xperia,Htc one for a New Nokia with the same spec. not to mention the ones who would talk about which skin better and all that crap that comes with android. just admit it WP8 provide balance, all OS need time to grow, ios and android didn't happen over night. point to note wp8 is far developed than both ios and android at that period in their evolution.
33. dre786 (Posts: 44; Member since: 10 Nov 2012)
these android freaks make me remember the days with intel gigahertz hype with amd. a whole lot of specs is because the os is always asking for more anyone with sense would know that
one thing that's matters when someone buying a phone is performance and stability and that what WP8 represents
35. Shrihari (Posts: 79; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)
nokia with android= worlds best mobile hardware+actually most advanced open source mobile os...i'm sure this combination will rock it....
42. StreetNerd (Posts: 708; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
most 'advanced' open source mobile os :')
there is more junk and malicious stuff in android thn WP8
all the core apps are on WP i dont need 50 app on my mobile
43. harigrg33 (Posts: 159; Member since: 20 May 2013)
Nokia dont have to go for android... they jst need to focus on increasing there apps and I m sure they will beat samsung and apple coz wat lack in nokia is the app...
45. volcano (Posts: 255; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
looks like we have android fan analyst keep dreaming haha
i have lumia because its running windows phone i would never pick a nokia if it was running android
48. freebee269 (Posts: 528; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
it's 1 analyst. another analyst says wp is growing strongly world wide and nokia has positioned itself to be the biggest benefactor. so the moral of the story is, analysts are just guessing. most of them end up being wrong. the proof is in the numbers. wp IS growing and nokia owns 80%+ of the phones sold in the wp platform. plus nokia's last earnings report reported a gain in earnings across all its platforms. dont let 1 analyst speak for them all.
50. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Again, the fear of a Nokia with Android is strong! Making an Android device doesn't mean Nokia can't work on WP8 at the same time, it means there will be a stream of revenue coming in other than M$ money. They can't survive off that alone and I think that obvious by now. No one is saying dump WP, that's what the WP fanboys aren't getting. We're saying make them both, they can't afford NOT to. And if Nokia can't turn the WP ship and goes down with it, the true Nokia fans will be pissed, while the fanboys will just mope and pout. The companies survival is more important that pleasing the fanboys.
59. freebee269 (Posts: 528; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
except they have an agreement with MS to only support WP. so until that agreement is up, your wanting them to do android is falling on deaf ears. just like this analyst.
68. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
As I recall, the agreement was that Nokia would use Windows Phone for 5 years and receive 1 Billion dollars in return. I don't remember any mention of not being allowed to us any other OS. And I'm sure its not falling on deaf earso its too obvious and Nokia themselves said they were open to other Options.
83. freebee269 (Posts: 528; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
"Elop said the door is open to any shift over time " this was speaking about tablets not about smart phones. they are right now going to war with windows phone and dont have any plans to use any other operating system. you can wish all you want, you keep posting the same "nokia needs to make an android phone" all you want. neither nokia or microsoft reads it, therefore it's falling on deaf ears.
87. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Well, I guess I'll just keep expressing that opinion until the do it. As they say, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. So with enough noise anything can happen. :)
99. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Civilized debate??? You are a rare and welcomed sight here my friend! +10
51. Dastrix (Posts: 599; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)
I think the best thing is that Nokia should at least try to make a flagship Android, and see the overall public reception.
52. cdgoin (Posts: 369; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)
This again..? Really..? I can find you a few articles from investors that say its looking really good for Nokia with WP.. ? This is getting old PA
57. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Ferragu has been writing about Nokia's demise non stop for quite awhile. He's gonna look pretty bad if Nokia reports a decent quarter next week.
55. timezone (Posts: 81; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
When you think about it, this is all about people with a forum to speak who want to see Microsoft fail.
56. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Please Nokia, listen to the analyst that writes for a bank whose trading office is IMHO worried about a SHORT squeeze over the coming week.
Ferragu has been floating this story in different ways for at 2 years! Tech bloggers from this site should stay away from investment analysts...you're like pigs to the slaughter.
60. Jyakotu (Posts: 822; Member since: 12 Dec 2008)
Why would Nokia want to compete against Samsung when HTC, LG, Sony, and a host of other Android OEMs can't even compete with them? Nokia and its Lumia phones are seen as the "face" of Windows Phone. Windows Phone is growing and it's the 3rd largest mobile OS right now. The apps catalog is growing. The OS still remains buttery smooth. I think Nokia should stay with Windows Phone and keep showing the other Windows Phone OEMs how its done. Create exclusive apps and features to make your phones stand out. Hell, I'm sure Samsung could bring some of their features from Android on a Windows Phone if they wanted!
61. Avenger337 (Posts: 59; Member since: 14 Apr 2013)
We know that windows phone met its goal of being the third ecosystem but failed by the fact that not taking off and while Nokia is betting on the decisions of the "big Elop" will have to settle for crumbs and carrion or joke again be as powerful as it used to mess with windows phone. I recommend you start making Android smartphones or Sailfish consider applications running android OS. Nokia still has time to save themselves if they really want it.
67. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1100; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
although I am not an Android Fan I have always felt that Nokia should have had a high end and mid range android smartphone on the market to help them stay in the black financially. IF they go down Microsoft should buy them out because they have no guarantee that Samsung, HTC
and other MS OEM's will continue to make Windows smart phones. If they have Nokia they will
make a splendid Nokia/ Microsoft branded smart that will give People the best Windows smart phone experience.and keep Windows smart phones alive
69. airisoverrated (Posts: 27; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
I won't argue the statistics of WP being 4.6% of smartphone sales in the US means Nokia has a tough battle to carve out market share with Microsoft. However I don't get this constant argument that they'd have much stronger sales if only they ran with Android. Nokia at least has MS helping to carve out their niche, rather than facing off against the hordes of Android manufacturers to scramble for a piece of that pie.
While the upcoming 41MP camera phone certainly stands out against the competition (we'll see if this comes at a price point that makes a splash and increases that Windows Phone market share), the rest of Nokia's lineup would make for very run of the mill boring Android phones. Thicker, slower, and plastic are not selling points in the Android world where even the capable and beautiful HTC One has trouble slaying the big, powerful, boring plastic S4. I don't think it's reasonable to think they would carve much of a % of Android sales.
Plus Nokia's aesthetic of colorful yet simple hardware is enhanced by the equally colorful and simple WP8 interface. The two really do look right together. I really don't think a wallpaper with some app icons and a widget or two would be more attractive on Nokia hardware vs any existing Android manufacturers.
74. therealestboy (Posts: 47; Member since: 03 May 2013)
I would probably buy one. Nokia is known for make top notch hardware.
75. SingDaFire (Posts: 74; Member since: 21 Jun 2013)
Whatever it is.. Nokia won't make android phones.. I believe for now..as WP is growing and loads of games and apps are on the way.. Plus 1080p screens and quad core processor , it will only move to android if WP completely fails but I don't see that happening . The End
76. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 1396; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
No, STAY WITH WINDOWS PHONE!! BE DIFFERENT! ;)
78. Socahan (Posts: 9; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
If Nokia didn't (entirely) sell their soul, they should have continued working on the (butchered) MeeGo OS during the past 2 years. In my view, a fresh but competitive, in-house brewed OS is the ONLY long-term-viable answer for the Finish company. A transition to Android would only prolong the company's agony as Google has its own agenda - and altruism and mercifulness are definitely NOT on the list - especially as Google gets to grab a large majority of market share.
Furthermore, although Nokia is still proving capable to produce quality, as strictly hardware manufacturers they wouldn't be bringing much advantages to Android world in such a crowded market, especially when new but ambitious Chinese player also want a piece of the pie.
81. roscuthiii (Posts: 1838; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Even if not Android, they should think about Firefox OS, Tizen, Sailfish, etc.
All your eggs in one basket never seems to turn out to have been the right choice in the long run.
103. dre786 (Posts: 44; Member since: 10 Nov 2012)
this is a comment from some one who is not in touch with reality. why would nokia go an chose a untested os when you have one that's already working for you
85. Damo579 (Posts: 205; Member since: 18 May 2013)
It sounds like a good idea but what about the software that Nokia makes. I don't think Google would be ok with Here maps,transit,and drive on an android phone. Don't forget Nokia music also.
88. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Sure they would. There are tons of other navigation apps on Android as well as music services, and even app stores. If Nokia maps are better, then it'll just force Google to step their game up.
102. dre786 (Posts: 44; Member since: 10 Nov 2012)
Google would always feel severely threatened by nokia services cause its better you have to use it to know
107. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I've used it, it's not bad. But Google is king.
92. hezikiahearl (Posts: 1; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
You sale it in a lower price which affordable, only in the philippines
100. kanagadeepan (Posts: 685; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
Why NOT release 41MPx Pureview on both WP8 and (stock) Android and test the water Nokia???
101. dre786 (Posts: 44; Member since: 10 Nov 2012)
reading some of these comments its obvious that most of you never use WP8 or Nokia Navigation services lately. so you think just like how Google want you to think . take the WP challenge then talk. I was an IOS guy and had GS, GS2/GS3 and NEXUS wp provide a holistic experience to consumers that the other OS don't that why some of these people commenting promote WP as a no apps platform, or something negative so as to keep people going to android and ios but people are not stupid that's what is fueling the growth of Wp
109. JDeus01 (Posts: 24; Member since: 07 May 2013)
yes, plz nokia, make laggy phones than crash every 2m!!!
110. timezone (Posts: 81; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
Have Nokia phones crash every 2M. Now that is a fan boy. Those of us that love what Microsoft and Nokia have accomplished never talk about how we hope the iPhone or Android will crash. We do talk about the superiority of the windows phone platform because it is true. We don't wish anything bad to befall the iPhone or Android. We just want a fair chance. One the news commentators and bloggers refuse to offer. Android and iPhone people should also be appalled at this because tables can be turned around.
Unless you don't know, windows phones do not crash, are secure and are not filled with malware.
Android phones are not an opened platform. That is a fallacy. The mobile companies would never allow it.
111. ashk26 (Posts: 1; Member since: 19 Aug 2013)
Nokia, before you go down the drain, like RIM probably would, do consider this proposition:
You have a strong market hold in India, but not so much now that local guys like Micromax, Xolo, Karbonn, and big cats like Samsung, HTC and Sony are crowding it up with their Android devices.
So here's the thing, and get it quick through that thick skull of your management - port your devices to Android! Do it, goddamn it! 60% of the people buying Samsung/Sony/HTC/Micromax/Xolo/Karbonn devices would jump ship right away!! Let me tell you, this IS the magic solution you've been waiting for! Windows Phone OS isn't going to save you!! Microsoft probably will you buy you out like Google bought Motorola! So adopt Android early, while there is still time, and see your market sales soar back up.
I'm saying this because I'd love to have the awesomeness of Android on the reliability of a Nokia.
That's probably what a million Indians would want. And probably many more around the world.
Don't be foolishly blind to the opportunities that knock on ya.