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All hail the eight cores! Samsung announces Exynos 5 Octa mobile processor

0. phoneArena 09 Jan 2013, 11:44 posted on

The latest member of the 5-series has been done with frugality/performance ratio in mind, as the chief of Samsung Electronics Stephen Woo admitted that the task to up performance while decreasing power consumption has been the one bothering him, and keeping him awake at night...

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posted on 09 Jan 2013, 11:46 33

1. itiswhatitis (Posts: 422; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)


Holy COWWWWW!!
Samsung has done it again!!

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 12:18 12

24. MeoCao (unregistered)


Not so fast, Tegra 4 has 72 GPU core, and it has 1 low power core as well.

We know that GPU is very important now as phones and tablets have lots of pixels.

We must have a fight btn those 2.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 12:30 4

32. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5593; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


yes, there must indeed be a battle but i have little doubt that this will be the winner.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 12:33 18

35. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Its extremely hard to beat Samsungs SoC prowess... which is why Apple had such a hard time getting away from them.. and likely wont for another generation or 2.

Tegra4 is nice, but Samsung is the leader.. building on a leader's designs.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 12:46 9

43. MeoCao (unregistered)


Last year Tegra 3 used 40nm technology while Exynos 4 used 32nm. So Tegra lost the battle.

This year both Tegra and Exynos use 28nm process, I actually think Tegra has upper hand as nVidia is very strong in graphics.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 12:55 3

51. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5593; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


their GPU's aren't as powerful as the ones by ARM and Imagination Technologies but i do appreciate the optimizations and support Nvidia has with their GPU's. at this point in the game when you're getting more power than you know what to do with that may just be what starts to matter more.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 13:03 2

55. MeoCao (unregistered)


It's always a race btn hardware and software, they push each other. Games will be the main beneficiaries from big hardware bump, but there will be new technologies like new camera features...

All things point to graphics and I think nVidia is the best in business. But we must wait to see the actual products to know which 1 is better.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 14:51 10

84. Dr.Phil (Posts: 907; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


The number of cores doesn't automatically equal graphics power. Remember, Tegra 3 had 12 GPU cores and was outdone by the SGX GPU in the iPad. And if I'm not mistaken the SGX554MP4 GPU has only 4 cores.

Samsung also hasn't really said what GPU they would pair this with. If it's the Mali-T658 then you can expect about 4 times the performance of the Mali-T604 which is found in the Nexus 10. Now, if Samsung really wants to go big, then they would choose the second generation Mali-T600 series (such as the T678) chipsets which offer a 50% performance increase over the first generation.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, the Tegra 4 is a very powerful chipset. I was just pointing out that graphical power is not equal to the number of cores the chipset has. And while nVidia does have experience in creating graphics chipsets, it does not mean it has the same experience in the mobile chipset world. Remember, Tegra 2 and even Tegra 3, while great chipsets, could not beat out the competition

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 14:57 3

85. Dr.Phil (Posts: 907; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


I went away to another tab and somehow my comment automatically entered. Now I can't edit it again. I wasn't able to put that last period on there and change the one comma to a colon. Excuse the bad grammar.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 19:22

110. MeoCao (unregistered)


Agreed, but 72 sounds very impressive and is excellent marketing weapon.

We have to wait and see how the real things look like.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 15:48 2

87. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5593; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


the "MPx" in the particular SoC's in the SGX line tell how many cores it has i.e. SGX543(MP2) = dual-core, SGX543(MP4) = quad-core.

+1

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 15:58 3

89. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


both of you are correct. :) +1 each :)

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 13:08 1

59. rf1975 (Posts: 243; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


Yes until Intel come up with the power efficient processor.
For your information, from A4 processor onward (iPhone 4) Samsung just assembled the processor (Foundry work) Apple design the processor based on ARM Cortex-A8.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 13:18

62. MeoCao (unregistered)


I was excited that Intel got some new innovations, but now Intel is accused of lying.

Things are not looking good for Intel.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 13:45 3

65. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4015; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Well, the leader is actually Qualcomm since the Krait S4 Pro is on EVERYTHING imaginable right now, from Windows tablets/phones, to Android tablets/phones. Look at all the phones that are coming out this Spring. EVERYTHING is S4 Pro.

Also Qualcomm will always have a HUGE advantage with their SoC's over Samsung because they are single handedly moving the LTE modem tech forward. Their new LTE modems are incredible.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 13:58 7

68. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


The leader is still samsung, SAE. In total volume, no one touches samsung. And in power, no one touches samsung. I have the Krait Quad pro, I got no issues with it. However, it doesnt hold a torch to the exynos 5 quad, nor do I believe it can beat the 5 dual.

It doesnt matter how many different devices run qualcomm chips. Sales matter. Samsung makes the majority of android sales.. with their own chips. They also make the tech in every iphone ever sold. Qualcomm is big, but Samsung has like 60% of the market all to itself with exynos and A series.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 15:57 1

88. TuTall76 (Posts: 3; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)


I know in the US the S3's have Qualcomm so I can't say how valid your points are.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 16:03 2

91. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


The bulk of the SGS3's sold in the world are the international Exynos edition. This will be the last year should see any high end samsung products doing the "chip trade out for LTE" like we have the last few times. Except for America and Japan, all samsung high end devices are Exynos. And again, they make the chips for Apple as well which until the A6 have been nothing but rebranded Exynos chips with the PowerVR GPU instead of Mali.

The 2 phone manufacturers that take 80% or so of all Smartphone sales (samsung and Apple) use the same Samsung tech in both of their phones. I said Samsung owns probably 60% of the market to make up for the difference due to the Qualcomm chip switch outs in the SGS2 and SGS3. 20% should be more than enough to compensate.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 23:37 1

126. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


In total volume Samsung is pretty much the only Android OEM. Not a reasonable comparison.

APQ8064 might equal Exynos 5250. Snapdragon 800 will do battle with Exynos 5 Octa. I don't think normal people will know how that ends until the dust settles and reviews are out.

It's not just about Qualcomm SoC. Qualcomm radios run the show. Every iPhone 4S, iPhone 4 CDMA, and iPhone 5 has a Qualcomm baseband at its heart. Samsung may manufacture the Ax series but they have no hand in designing the chips anymore, stop spreading this persistent misconception because I've seen you say it time and time again.

posted on 10 Jan 2013, 06:33

137. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


go look up what Apples are made out of. Samsung makes a lot more than just "manufacturing the CPU" in an iphone. Most of the internals of an iphone carry a samsung logo.

When it comes to radios, yes Q is winning that game. However they are not the only game in town. With samsung finally cracking their LTE/HSPA+ issues with exynos, their need to switch out to Q based radios is drastically decreased. This next generation of phones coming out in 2013 with the new designs will have a big affect one way or the other on who is winning the baseband wars.

However, that has nothing to do with the total SoC which is what we are talking about. On that front, Samsung is the clear winner... and growing.

posted on 11 Jan 2013, 19:21

147. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


Go look at what Apple's SoC design is. Not designed by Samsung. I don't care about anything else, because I'm not dumb enough to try and fight a straw man. Samsung only makes the SoC for Apple, they don't design it.

Samsung's Exynos is only in significant numbers on the Galaxy series.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 14:43

83. slaggyb (Posts: 191; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Somebody is drinking the samsung kool aid

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 15:59 3

90. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


wrong troll, I'm actually using a Qualcomm Krait Quad Pro powered Nexus 4.

The truth is the truth.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 16:30 1

97. belovedson (Posts: 832; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)


How did you acquire this info

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 16:32 2

100. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


this magic genie called "google search" and years of research for my own benefit.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 19:29

111. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


And you don't seem to understand no have knowledge that Exynos chips are 25% better than standard commercial CPU that are used typically bye all vendors.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 23:38

127. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


This makes no sense. Samsung uses the reference ARM core design. Any performance gains will have to be through higher clocks or better design outside of the CPU (memory bus, GPU, other various chips, etc...)

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 21:56

115. barondebxl (Posts: 102; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)


We'll see how it stacks up against the snapdragon 800.

posted on 10 Jan 2013, 16:42

145. deuel18 (Posts: 34; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)


what kind of processor did Samsung used for this 8 cored processor? did they used A15 like the ones in Tegra 4?

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 16:44 6

103. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1069; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


What the heck just happened...I was on this site looking for some CES news from Earth mind you and then I read this! I mean high end consumer laptops dont have ota cores...the come with OC'd quads and this is octa! OCTA in a phone or tablet!

I just dont know how to react...I am excited and happy its here and YES I will be getting one of these bad boys....but do we even need these? Are there applications or OSs that even have appas that require such power?

Lets just say I was looking forward to Exynos 5 quads and S4 Primes but Sammy has changed the game on its head and blown the competition out of the water!

I;ll leave my comments at this for now but if this is any indication of 2013 then its gonna be a helluva year folks!

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 22:08

118. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 801; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


Indeed, 1st was the NVIDIA Tegra 4 announcement then followed with Qualcomm's new Snapdragons ( I'm solely interested in the new 800) then this Exynos 5 octa, now that's techgasm to the highest level.

posted on 10 Jan 2013, 06:43

141. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


good better best.. woop woop :)

posted on 16 Jan 2013, 14:34

156. phonemirer (Posts: 111; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)


many people have enough with galaxy ace, those new processors are gonna remove android lag and let you open more apps

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 23:54

135. Mittal (Posts: 427; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


Presuming HTC goes in for the Tegra cores, it will be the same old story again. In spite of a power saving core, the Samsung flagship will do better in terms of battery as HTC compromises battery size in favour of design but not samsung
But then those designs by HTC are really good!!

posted on 11 Jan 2013, 22:01

155. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


Except HTC is known to not go for Tegra this year for phones.

Everyone sees the writing on the wall, Tegra is going to remain a tablet chip.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 12:25 16

28. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)


As i have been stating for over weeks now. Nividia Tegra 4 had it's day. Then Qualcomm Snapdragon came with the 600 and 800. And Samsung has chimed in with it's Exynos 5 Octa. Believe this the Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note 3 will be the BEST in class device in 2013.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 12:30 8

31. MeoCao (unregistered)


That's for sure, but Sony is pretty good as well this year.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 13:03 9

56. SleepingOz (unregistered)


For the 1st quarter of this year, yes, but I doubt they'll stand a chance against the upcoming flagships of HTC and Samsung.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 15:32 2

86. GTR722 (Posts: 236; Member since: 20 Oct 2012)


Dou you really thinks more cores is better ?? look at AMD...

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 17:32 1

107. deuel18 (Posts: 34; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)


for laptops it doesnt...but for tablets and smart phons yeah..their cores evolved too...not just the numbers of them

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 12:47 3

44. AbhiD (Posts: 65; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)


forget abt these processors coming out in any actual device...
this is totally an insider info(and is pretty accurate too).
right now samsung has 3 galaxy s4 prototypes undergoing testing... one has A9 quad core 2ghz processor, 2nd one has A15 1.5ghz dual core, 3rd one has A15 900mhz/1ghz quad core.
the final galaxy s4 will be equipped with either one of these processors... don't expect anything spectacular!!!
Samsung is facing a huge battery life challenge right now with it's A15 processors, that's why it's going with scaled down versions...

it entirely depends on u guys to believe it or not... but i'm here and u guys are here too... let's see what happens in the end!!!

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 16:30 4

95. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


That would make every sense up until this announcement.
This is the chip Samsung MUST put in the S4.
It's the most power efficient and most powerful one at once.

As for comparison with the T4, it looks like Samsung has it handily beaten again.
The GPU of Tegra 4 is not that impressive really - six times better than Tegra 3 should actually give only 72GFLOPS (since T3 supposedly makes 12GFLOPS).
The Mali 658 in this Exynos should hit over 150GFLOPS, if we are to believe what Samsung is saying.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 16:31 5

98. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


STOP IT DARAC..

or Ill be forced to..

agree with you. lol. :)

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 17:04

104. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5593; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


that is an unusual occurrence isn't it? xD

well done, well done.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 23:02 1

122. Hemlocke (unregistered)


The T658 ARM GPU has the potential for 272 GFLOPS, but that is theoretical. That would still leave the reference ARM design GPU a solid second for 2013, since the Series 6 from Imagination Technologies STARTS at 100 GFLOPS, with a theoretical ceiling of 1 TFLOPS.

posted on 10 Jan 2013, 18:51 1

146. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4010; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


If Samsung REALLY wanted to get ahead of the competition, they would include the Mali-T678 with this Exynos 5 Octa, which is supposed to increase performance by as much as 50% over the 1st gen Mali-T658.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 23:39

128. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


No one has said what version of the Mali 6xx will be in this Exynos, so any precise model will be pure speculation and rumor.

posted on 10 Jan 2013, 08:00

143. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)


You will see the Mali T658 or T604 Gpu used in the Exynos 5 without fail. It has already been talked about and outed on Samsung tomorrow and Samsung USA Twitter page. People can say what they want the upcoming Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note 3 will be the best products on the market period. Samsung ruled that category in 2012 and it won't be unseated in 2013.

posted on 11 Jan 2013, 19:22

148. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


T604 is hilariously slow if they go with that. That's why the model number matters.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 12:48 1

45. AbhiD (Posts: 65; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)


forget abt these processors coming out in any actual device...
this is totally an insider info(and is pretty accurate too).
right now samsung has 3 galaxy s4 prototypes undergoing testing... one has A9 quad core 2ghz processor, 2nd one has A15 1.5ghz dual core, 3rd one has A15 900mhz/1ghz quad core.
the final galaxy s4 will be equipped with either one of these processors... don't expect anything spectacular!!!
Samsung is facing a huge battery life challenge right now with it's A15 processors, that's why it's going with scaled down versions...

it entirely depends on u guys to believe it or not... but i'm here and u guys are here too... let's see what happens in the end!!!

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 13:08 2

58. MeoCao (unregistered)


Isn't big.LITTLE arechitecture to solve the power problem?

I think SS must use this octo-core to counter Tegra 4, they have to much to lose here.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 14:09

74. AshishRomea (Posts: 145; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)


this chipset will be on NOTE 3 / TABLETS !

that too 8 months from now if s4 6 months from now , samsung fans need to rest and think how samsung will try tackling Xperia Z !

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 14:42 3

82. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


What are you smoking? What magic chip is in the XperiaZ? The S4 Pro has been out for months in the HTC DNA and the Nexus4.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 22:21 1

120. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 801; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


I love that Xperia Z it's one hell of a phone for sure, but mate don't be blinded by fandom, Samsung has done everything topnotch since the SGS2 upto the SGS3 the only negative comments that most reviewers could give to those phone are their Penlite Display which you can't even discern unless you look really really close, also their so called subpar designs which is very subjective to potential buyers. . .

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 22:53

121. Hemlocke (unregistered)


Done what, exactly? Become the first to manufacture an ARM design? If so, then okay. Samsung is a minor tweaker, and they don't do anything special in the SoC realm. The Mali GPU is actually a stock ARM design (and name), and the Exynos is a mildly tweaked ARM design. Only Qualcomm, Nvidia, Applied Micro, Marvell, DEC, Xscale, and Apple (Yes, Apple) have actual ARM architecture licenses, which means those companies can design different cores using the ARM instruction set. Samsung is nothing special in the SoC realm. They just fab some great custom SoCs (Apple A-series) and compete with some others (Tegra and Snapdragon/Krait).

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 11:46 9

2. Commentator (Posts: 2406; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


Neat!

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 11:47 12

3. Tele7 (Posts: 47; Member since: 12 Dec 2012)


I could host a pocket server with this hardware...

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 11:50 9

4. Whateverman (Posts: 3199; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I just drooled on my tablet.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 11:53 5

5. imkyle (Posts: 983; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)


The competition officially died with this announcement.

posted on 09 Jan 2013, 11:58 11

6. ajac09 (Posts: 1367; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


no. They just went back to the drawing board.

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