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Airline passenger is arrested for turning on cell phone and refusing to turn it off during landing

0. phoneArena 07 Sep 2011, 14:29 posted on

Call it a total disregard for authority or simply testing out whether it’s an urban myth or something, but one Southwest Airlines passenger tested out the waters by doing the unthinkable during a routine landing into El Paso International Airport in Texas...

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posted on 07 Sep 2011, 14:33 10

1. bubba78 (Posts: 54; Member since: 23 May 2011)


Got what he deserved!!!

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 14:36 2

2. pyromunkey (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Aug 2011)


so what's the real reason to turn off our phones?

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 14:47 6

4. Yeeee (Posts: 190; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


The plane could crash dumbass

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 16:49 4

30. Juice (unregistered)


The plane can not crash from a cell phone being left on. Dumbass... If that would be the case then some "dumbass" is making our planes...

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 02:59

36. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


A plane does not crash by leaving a cell phone turned on.
I have misstakenly left my cell phone on once when i was flying, no trouble at all !
On Discovery, Mythbusters did a test about cell phones on a plane, and their result was that it did not interfer with the airplane at all.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 14:52 6

6. huhu (unregistered)


to prevent disturbance for the airplane communication to tower or flight system and that can cost your life and other passenger life just because someone stupidness

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:24 6

13. superguy (Posts: 271; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


As a wireless expert in the field answered when I asked that question, he said he was asked that a lot and talked to Boeing about it once. Boeing's response: "Do you really think we'd design a plane that could be brought down by a cell phone?"

The real reason is that if enough people didn't turn off their phones, it could wreak havoc on the phone networks. Phones were designed to only see a few towers at once, and hand offs were relatively slow. Now picture a phone being able to see a lot of towers at once, and being handed off every few seconds.

At altitude, planes would be hard pressed to be able to communicate with a tower due to being out of range. They'd look for towers, not be able to communicate, and probably drain their battery fairly quickly.

Aircraft communications are free from interference. There are tons of towers around airports and around the country that could interfere. Planes talk to the towers in the low 100MHz range - far from the spectrum that would interfere. Plane systems are also shielded and redundant. There's probably some dumbass that left their phone on nearly every flight. Planes don't fall out of the sky.

The reason these days for not being able to turn on your phone in the air is due to FAA regulation. Wireless isn't necessarily a problem. They've tested picocells in flight with success. It's more of a question of "should they." A lot of people are against the idea of hearing everyone in small confined space yammering in their ears while another is on the phone.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:36

22. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


anyone even tested to see if a cell could connect at altitude? lol.. something tells me cell towers werent designed to look "up". :)

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:46

24. superguy (Posts: 271; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


Well, I know people who have found that their phones were accidentally left on during flights.

Towers might not be designed to "look up" but to say that the light is going to remain flat and not go into the sky shows a lack of understanding. We also know that on 9/11, people on UA93 used their phones in the sky around 10,000 feet. That signal got up there somehow.

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 07:13

38. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


they were using the in flight built in phones until they got lower in the atmosphere if i remember right.


Yes, signal goes "up" at an angle, but it only travels so far. Thats why it was a question. Its not my knowledge base, and I was hoping someone would have a valid answer.

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 05:16

37. nimo (Posts: 72; Member since: 11 Jun 2010)


Yes, they just don't work again until your coming in to land.

We used to be able to use Cell phones on some domestic flights in the UK and there was no coverage at all until they turned on the femtocell on the plane.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 14:38 2

3. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5593; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


I wonder how sh*t-for-brains (aka the passenger who was arrested) would have responded if their cellphone had interfered with one of the plane's electronic landing systems? It would have been a reasonable case of genetic de-selection if they had died in a crash. Only problem is that there would have been a few other innocent souls that would have perished with them.

Time for some complementary room-and-board (although with restricted visitation hours and generally being confined to your room for the duration).

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:23 1

12. vantenkiest (Posts: 308; Member since: 20 Apr 2011)


DARWIN AWARDS!!!!!!!!! HONERABLE MENTIONS

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 14:52 1

5. Stuntman (Posts: 711; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


First of all, I think the passenger should have followed instructions. Not sure why exactly he decided not to.

Second, the plane landed safely. I do question the need to turn these things off considering we can turn them on during flight. If electronics can interfere with landing, I would expect it would also interfere with the plane in mid flight as well. Are landing systems on planes so much more sensitive than mid flight systems? If so, I would have an issue with the engineers who design landing systems. I don't tell everone to turn off all of their cell phones when I am about to pull my car into and out of a parking spot.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:19 1

10. Rawrzellers (Posts: 224; Member since: 22 Aug 2010)


You cannot turn your phone on during the flight :/

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 16:14

26. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


you can on emirates, they even have access to the net whilst unless you're in taxi, or landing.
I dunno bout other Airlines tho

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 20:43

34. LionStone (Posts: 445; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


Yes, you can have your phone on, and Delta uses GoGo Inflight, I use it all the time. But typically people that use their phones, drop it into airplane mode and then use the wifi. Or ppl still play games and listen to music on their phones even if they dont connect to wifi.

Now with my tablet, I dont activate the phone, I just use the tablet for everything...texting (GoogleVoice), streaming Pandora and browsing, email, etc..

I have accidently left my cell's mobile network on once and received a call in mid-air! My dad's face popped up on my screen and I was like WHAT THE!? I freaked out and ended it quick as s**t, I forget where I was flying over at the time...but it surely was ringing, luckily the volume was all the way down!

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:01 4

7. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3847; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Dude since 9/11 people at the airport mean business. I would not want to mess with anyone in an airplane. If they say turn it off, it means turn it off. It's not worth it to go through what is going to happen to you for not following the rules. If you do anything against the rules in an airplane or an airport, you might as well put a shiny red bull’s-eye on you because everyone & their mothers will come down on you. I am sorry but this person got his just deserts for obviously being a total buffoon. I travel a lot for a living & let me tell you something, travelling sucks. They make you take off your shoes, & sometimes they spot check you & your carry on, BUT I like to know people are taking the necessary steps to protect the commuters. I was in NYC during 9/11 it was not a pretty sight! That guy was being an a$S!

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:01 3

8. bolaG (Posts: 468; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)


Honestly I never turn off my phone when I travel. I just lock the screen and put it away. I do however put it in "airplane mode" while I'm on board.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:13 3

9. Laron (unregistered)


When your phone is in airplane mode it's not trying to connect to a network. I'm not sure if he just had his phone on or was talking on it. There are so many dangers that having a phone on a plane can have. Phones can be used to set off bombs; which seems like the best possible explanation.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:28 1

15. superguy (Posts: 271; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


And how is a phone going to set off a bomb when it can't communicate with a tower?

If TSA's doing such a wonderful job, there shouldn't be any bombs on the plane in the first place.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:22 2

11. Rawrzellers (Posts: 224; Member since: 22 Aug 2010)


A man sitting next to me on my flight didn't turn off his iPhone as we were taxing down the runway. Guess who pushed the flight attendant button and got him to turn it off. I encourage everyone to do the same if they see a cellphone being used. It is dangerous and for you not to think it is means you should not be allowed to be on an airplane with other people. Those are people's brothers, sisters, daughters, sons, ect that you could potentially kill.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:29 2

16. bolaG (Posts: 468; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)


I highly doubt that I was endagering anyone by having my cell phone on. It always stays in air plane mode while I'm on board, and I'm not on it during take off and landing.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:31

18. superguy (Posts: 271; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


Not only that, if wireless technology is so dangerous, how come WiFi is now allowed on some flights?

It's not on all flights as it won't sell on every flight, plus it's expensive to put in and go thru the FAA's certification process.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:26 5

14. Jreekes (unregistered)


I work for an airline, not going to say which, and even though flight attendants won't tell you this, this is why.

One of the main reasons for turning them off during takeoff and landing is so people won't be distracted by them and ignore commands from the crew. For example if the plane had to be evacuated would you want the person in the exit row or the person between you and the exit listening to an iPod or using an iPad and not pay attention to the crew as when to evacuate or what side of the plane to use or where. There is a small possibity of interference with the instruments in cruise as well as takeoff and landing. In cruise about the only commands you may get from the crew are to fasten your seatbelt or put on your oxygen mask if the plane were to depressurize.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:30 2

17. superguy (Posts: 271; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


This I believe.

If cell phones were such a problem for interference, the there wouldn't be towers within miles of airports and we'd see planes crashing all the time.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:33

20. box (unregistered)


Now THAT answer makes sense. Kudos.


Mythbusters disproved the interference thing. The order for electronics to be off is there for safety and for "just in case" scenarios

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 16:39

29. Stuntman (Posts: 711; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


Thank you. This is the most reasonable reason I have heard for the reasons to turn off cell phones during the take-off and landing cycles of a flight.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:33 1

19. Mooooo (Posts: 212; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)


I love my cell phone but I can live without it if i have to for hours. In my day we didnt have cell phones at least the general public did not. So i can live without using it for awhile on a flight. I like looking out the window anyway.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:36 1

21. ibap (Posts: 690; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)


Even before 9/11, you could get yourself in hot water by ignoring crew during takeoffs and landings. I was once on a flight where a guy with his arm in a sling got on the plane, reclined his seat as far as it would go, and wouldn't put it back up for takeoff. The cabin attendant told him he could lean back as soon as we were airborne. Still didn't comply. She then told him we'd be going back to the gate if he didn't. And let me tell you, she wasn't quiet about it, so all of us in the vicinity knew who the culprit was. He put the seat up.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:38 1

23. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


You should know not to provoke airlines. Hes lucky the air marshal didnt crush his phone and ziptie his butt to the back of the plane.. lol

sorry, but post 9/11 you follow the rules on planes and dont mess around... because they wont.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:48 1

25. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Sounds like an android user :)

Only android users would act in such a silly manner.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 16:25

28. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


Actually it sounds exactly like taco. He doesn't listen to anyone ever, and isn't very bright

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 16:20

27. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


imagine this headline.... terrorrist brought down a Boing using only their cellphones... i only do it because I am told too but and the last thing I want is to get arrested or being placed on a do not fly list.... we do have some crazy laws..

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 16:52

31. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


last year when I flew home from Mexico I forgot my phone was on from takeoff to landing no one said a word. I only realized as I was going thru customs. OH MY

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 18:28

32. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 836; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


cell phoned dont work while in the air any way

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 20:44

35. captn3x (Posts: 43; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)


that's why they make "airplane mode". You can use a phone on a plane with airplane mode engaged. It basically turns your phone into a handheld video game device. Find it and use it people.

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 09:09

39. tiogasteve (unregistered)


Do we want to believe that simply having a cell phone turned on can bring down a plane?
My gosh, the terrorrists or just disturbed folks don't know this years ago?
If this is true, cell phones would forced into checked luggage.
Remember the hijacked jet that crashed into Pennsylvania?
Several passengers were using their phones to understand what was happening and they fought bravely against the terrorists to prevent a larger disaster.
The terrorists crashed that plane, not the cell phones.

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 11:39

40. Maybe?? (unregistered)


Or was it the cell phones? (said with scary, suspenseful music playing in the background). We may never know....

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