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After winning $368 million from Apple in court, VirnetX back again for more

0. phoneArena 10 Nov 2012, 04:05 posted on

VirnetX recently won a $368 million award against Apple in court; using the same patents, VirnetX says that Apple's new products like the Apple iPhone 5, the Apple iPad mini and other newer devices with FaceTime, infringe on VirnetX's IP...

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posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:09 48

1. Topcat488 (Posts: 1124; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)


Well They do have a point here... If the patent is violated again and again, you must pay accordingly... Anybody up for dessert; I want more Apple pie please....

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:43 30

10. MeoCao (unregistered)


But before having the pie one must put apple into an oven.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 13:42 1

65. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3303; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Patent abuse. Why aren't they going after other video calling services?

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 14:13 8

66. matrix_neo (Posts: 307; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Who started abusing patents?! Rectangular shape with rounded corners? They don't sue other video calling services because they are like apple, suing only those who threaten the sales of their products. Remember what apple has been doing to Samsung? Is Apple should not be sued even it infringe ip's of other companies? Is apple above the law?

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 14:44 2

69. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)


If they've won against Apple, they will probably file suit against the other companies very soon.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 15:03

70. LionStone (Posts: 445; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


Which is to assume that the other companies are infringing on said patents.

posted on 11 Nov 2012, 15:02

84. gothicheart (Posts: 82; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)


unless of course, those other companies know how to respect and appreciate the innovation of others, it's only apple that copies and patent these innovation, for christsakes, even their best-selling products has a copied name....

posted on 12 Nov 2012, 03:31

89. letgomyeggroll (Posts: 137; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)


They wont file law suit against other companies just Apple. They started all this, and Im sure others are giving Virtex the courage and boost to go after Apple.

And like I said the companies arent developing the Video Chat, they just let the app enable in the device thats all

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 18:04 2

75. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


Because they hate Apple that's why. And they have enough money to pay, so why not?

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 18:29

76. Droiddoes (unregistered)


Can I buy some pot off of you, mxy? That has got to be some amazing ish.

posted on 11 Nov 2012, 20:06

85. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


It's their wish to decide but you are right it is {ATENT ABUSE ... by Apple though :D

posted on 12 Nov 2012, 03:27

87. letgomyeggroll (Posts: 137; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)


Its a cat and mice game. Apple is the big cat and the others are the mouse. They are after Apple to show them that they are the innovation company. So these little companies are the big keys the patent of them all.

And besides, the others are using a third party for the video chatting. Unlike Apple, they are not claiming the innovations.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 05:11 20

15. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1064; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


Round 2...Ding! Ding! Ding!

Oh by the way I just LLLOOOOVVVVEEEEE Pies baby...especially Apple Pie :)

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 12:32 1

61. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)


Looks like virnetX is becoming more like apple by the case

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 07:12 2

24. lyndon420 (Posts: 1708; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


My favorite.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 09:02 1

35. Googlethis (Posts: 168; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


some one said pie. APPLE PIE!!!!!

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 10:38 2

49. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5591; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


+1 on a second helping of dessert (Thumbup!). If the roles were reversed, Apple would be going for a sales ban.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 11:16 2

52. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3303; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Violation? This is patent abuse and pure greed. I think the case should be tossed out and Apple countersue.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 11:33 9

53. tedkord (Posts: 4483; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Your hypocrisy is duly noted.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 11:36 6

54. Googlethis (Posts: 168; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


You do realise that apple does the same exact thing this company is doing. So with your logic anything apple does is golden meaning that if they sue a company regardless of evidence they should win and if a company sues apple for patent infringment that company's claim should be tossed out and counter sued for wasting apples time. your mind is a bit warped.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 12:30 3

60. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3939; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Your hypocrisy amuses me now. HAHA

posted on 11 Nov 2012, 00:00 1

79. GeekMovement (Posts: 1499; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


Guys, he's brainwashed. He doesn't understand the word hypocrisy.

posted on 11 Nov 2012, 20:08

86. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Apple plays role model for all when it comes to "GREED" driven actions :)

posted on 12 Nov 2012, 03:28

88. letgomyeggroll (Posts: 137; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)


Hey dummy, why don't you count how many lawsuits that Apple has right now pending alone?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 12:56 1

64. Spariant (Posts: 9; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)


I think samsung should buy this small company and sue apple's a$$!

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 17:19 1

74. AnTuTu (Posts: 673; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)


I am up for the "Apple pie" :)

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:10 21

2. dan86 (Posts: 298; Member since: 17 Mar 2012)


Hunter turns prey. God bless Apple! Looks good days gone in hell:)

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:14 15

3. ramonleonjr62 (Posts: 48; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)


keeping rolling an more to come

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:23 14

4. Max_Boost (Posts: 50; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)


Hahaha. Talk about iPwnage. Hahaha

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:24 16

5. 8logic (Posts: 130; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)


the chickens are coming home to roost

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:25 14

6. FAW-Q (Posts: 63; Member since: 29 Jul 2011)


Seems like Apple is finally getting a full dose of it's own medicine.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:25 4

7. wendygarett (unregistered)


Wow virnetx, such a greedy company you are :P

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:49 22

11. Rocksteady (unregistered)


GO VirnetX.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 05:43 12

20. kanagadeepan (Posts: 638; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)


Yes. But still less greedy than apple...

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 05:51 10

21. wendygarett (unregistered)


Oops, trolling failed XP
you're right, this is the time to give Apple a lesson for not being such patent troll...

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:27 7

8. xfire99 (Posts: 438; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)


Keep suing Apple and let them taste own medicine. They might get 1 Billion $ from Samsung, enough to pay up for all infringing patents they violated and few billions at the bank too, since theirs stock price have gone straight up past years. :)

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 07:38 1

27. Hemlocke (unregistered)


Apple isn't the only company, and they aren't the first. What do you think this company is going to ask of Samsung,who sells more smartphones than anyone? Lenovo? Motorola? Google? You guys are confused. Apple makes products and patents their IP. This company doesn't make anything, they are just trolls.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 08:42 6

34. tedkord (Posts: 4483; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


No, Apple considers all IP to be their property. That's why, as they're patenting rectangles with rounded corners and suing the entire industry for it, they still haven't paid a dime for numerous tech patents from others like Motorola and Samsung, and even told a judge that they were above the law and wouldn't be bound by her decision if they didn't like it. Arrogance at its most extreme. I had hoped this arrogance would have died with Steve Jobs, but it seems to be more tightly ingrained than imagined.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:34 7

9. lyndon420 (Posts: 1708; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Virnetx for the win. May the force be with you...and may you get every apple device removed from shelves everywhere. You can do it...for the betterment of the human race...failure is not an option.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:59 10

12. angelesmec (unregistered)


That is called Karma. Good for you rotten A you deserve it!

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 05:04 10

13. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Oh boy if this goes through..the damages will be HUGE

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 05:10 6

14. _Bone_ (Posts: 2106; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


Why did Samsung's trial made worldwide news, why this one isn't?

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 10:02

44. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


coz a lot of us knows that samsung and apple are frenemies!

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 05:25 8

16. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 801; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


Where's the "They're just protecting their IP's" comment? ^___^
BTW this suing due to patent is really getting more and more ridiculous.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 05:29 8

17. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)


A possibility of a ban on apple products, oh Yes please do succeed!

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 07:42 2

28. Hemlocke (unregistered)


Careful what you wish for, because this company isn't going to stop with Apple. EVERY phone capable of video chat is on the hook. Apple can afford to pay their fines, but how do you think HTC, Motorola, and Samsung will fare when they are looking at a billion dollar judgment?

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 09:10 1

36. Googlethis (Posts: 168; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


i understand your point hemlocke. im curiouse if there js any backstory to this maybe the small company tried to settle out of court first but apple wouldnt be botherd thinking they had no grounds to stand on

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 09:17

37. Googlethis (Posts: 168; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


more to what i said before maybe the other companies are working on settling out of court maybe maybe not. just wishfull thinking.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 10:26 1

47. BadAssAbe (Posts: 434; Member since: 22 Apr 2011)


Not all phones have a webchat app built in, most Android phones give u choices in apps

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 11:02 1

50. willard12 (Posts: 729; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Wouldn't they have to sue the app developer rather than the phone manufacturer? For OEMs other than Apple, Skype or Tango or another developer would be infringing rather than a phone OEM.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 11:38

55. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5591; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


The OS enables the infringement, therefore, the OS developer gets to pay the damages.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 12:29

59. tedkord (Posts: 4483; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


If the OS itself doesn't infringe, then no, they are not liable.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 05:31 2

18. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


this is ridiculous!

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 07:27

25. lyndon420 (Posts: 1708; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Why? You think apple is the only one who should be allowed to protect their IP? 2.4 billion dollars was spent on their amazing and innovative rectangle technology. Maybe their next 2.4 will be spent on 'researching' how NOT to piss everyone off, and maybe actually 'develop' something. But I think we all know that won't happen.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 10:01 2

43. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


ridiculous in a way that companies are stopping innovation!

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 11:39

56. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5591; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Tell that to Apple. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 09:47 1

39. MartyK (Posts: 693; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Yes it is Ridiculous!;

How dare they steal someone else patents and use it, without paying for it!!

oh wait, they do that all the time....hahahah

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 05:31 7

19. Wiki_jaan (Posts: 702; Member since: 24 Jun 2012)


a small company kick the apple ..................................................​.....................

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 06:05 3

22. Savage (unregistered)


To Apple,

In the words of Bane - "Your punishment must be more severe."

By Virnet X.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 06:40 4

23. tiara6918 (Posts: 1347; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


$368 million isn't enough for the crime of apple, virnetx should ask more so apple could finally learn their lesson

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