AT&T introduces Nokia Lumia 920 and Nokia Lumia 820; sales to start next month
0. phoneArena 04 Oct 2012, 10:29 posted on
AT&T announced on Thursday that it will be carrying both the Nokia Lumia 920 and Nokia Lumia 820 Windows Phone 8 devices; the models will go on sale sometime next month although an exact launch date and pricing information was not released...
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2. rb68 (Posts: 27; Member since: 23 Apr 2010)
Booooooooo on carrier exclusive deals. These must die eventually.
6. StalkinUrMom (Posts: 111; Member since: 16 Apr 2012)
Nokia needs the sales to dig themselves out of this hole and expand the WP8 platform. So what do they do? Partner with the worst of the big carriers and make their flagship exclusive to them.
Elop's an idiot.
7. MeoCao (unregistered)
Nokia never has good relationship with carriers in the US and that's shame. I just don't understand how difficult that is.
9. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
Can anyone from the US tell me if I buy a phone from AT&T on contract, want to move away from contract do I get to keep the phone?
PS: To those wondering if the phone won't sell well because of the exclusivity to AT&T, do remember there's a world outside the US as well.
20. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
You get to keep it, but you have to pay a hefty fee, and the phones are locked to the network. Might as well buy it directly from the manufacturer unlocked.
50. Hemlocke (unregistered)
The Lumia 900 was offered the same way, and its sales suffered. Carrier exclusivity is not the way back into the game. I liked my Lumia 900, and I may even buy a 920, but they will not sell well, in my opinion.I predict Apple will swoop in and just buy them, outright, if the 920 and 820 fail to sell well.
13. muhsen (Posts: 280; Member since: 07 Jun 2012)
tell that to steve jobs in his grave,the world most selling smartphone was at&t exclusive
36. papss (unregistered)
See i dont agree with it being the worst.. i came from sprint and they are far worse imo, verizon while having better coverage overall is pretty pricy. Ill stick with att with the best selection of phones period
46. PotDragon (banned) (Posts: 214; Member since: 22 Jul 2011)
At&t is only the worst if you take reception, customer service, and price into consideration.
16. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Carrier exclusives are a bad deal. VZW basically launched Android as a response to AT&T's exclusive on the iPhone. Nokia doesn't have the market share that Apple had 6 months after launch of the 1st iP.
26. KParks23 (Posts: 583; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)
From what I've been reading around it will only be a timed exclusive everyone! And let's all hope so!
38. Gawain (Posts: 418; Member since: 15 Apr 2010)
I hope you're right. There was an article citing a leaked VZW line-up of upcoming phones and supposedly the 920 was on the list. I won't leave a carrier for a phone though. I hope the 920 makes it. If not, I suppose the HTC 8X will suffice, but I really want the Nokia.
41. Lift_Off (Posts: 152; Member since: 04 Apr 2012)
seriously hope you are right. I was really looking forward to this on verizon. I don't want the 8x either. C'mon Nokia WTF
45. KParks23 (Posts: 583; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)
Yea I read it on the stock Site.. I really want this phone to sell well the 900 was great and this will be the best windows phone out I really hope it catches on.
51. snowgator (Posts: 3556; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Agree with KParks. The 920 will not be owned by AT&T. Nokia has their entire company attached to it's success. No doubt in my mind Verizon will have it.
Should be a fantastic device. I am hoping for great sales.
3. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
cool. i hope Lumia 920 does well. Nokia really needs it.
4. Saphac (Posts: 2; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
So another phone stuck to AT&T. I was hoping this was going to Verizon as well. HTC 8X FTW.
25. baldilocks (Posts: 738; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)
CDMA and EV-DO aren't great choices for an International manufacturer. It makes more sense to go with a GSM/WCDMA/LTE carrier.
30. timepilot84 (Posts: 113; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
This is the same thinking that sunk them In the US before. I'd hope they actually support the US 3G networks this time around instead of trying to sell 2G phones with no carrier subsidies again.
5. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3606; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
"8GB of native storage 'SI' included, and the Nokia Lumia 820 features..." lol, when did Phonearena started using Spanish?
Nokia came with a bang, but some of the bang has evaporated already...
I wish Nokia was more efficient in their release...like release today and start preparing the shipping next week. But well, innovations come with a price, i guess it's patience this time.
37. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3606; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Yo Alan F, aren't you reading the comments? There is a correction to be made...minor though.
8. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i hate the word exclusive cuz it restricts the phone to one market :\ get in around the world already what hopes are in USA they got no taste for wp8 from the facts of last attempt although i wish they try it out but seriously USA is not only market to start from
10. Gcombs (Posts: 133; Member since: 22 Aug 2011)
920 is exclusive to AT&T in the U.S it will be available for international customers. They were just talking about for U.S subscribers.
12. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
The people from US will stick to their droids/iPhones; so why all goodies/promotions to just US. There's Europe, India, China, Russia, Australia, etc who don't seem to enjoy all what US enjoys. There'd be ,more success for Nokia, Jolla and RIM if they manage to think outside of the US>
17. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Manufacturers follow the market. How many L920s do you think Nokia would sell in Asia compared to the U.S.? I suspect Nokia did the research and concluded they could sell more in the U.S.
19. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
Selling more in US is a different thing. What I'm talking about is:
Nexus 7 cost $199 for the 8GB version in US and 199 euros in UK for the same memory at launch. The Nexus devices aren't available to consumers in India or other countries which manufacturers think are important but do nothing about them. Also, consumers in the US do get free goodies during specific time periods and the cost difference for phones off-contract is well, quite a considerable amount. And then there are competitions like Smoked by WP, win a device in markets like US/UK but no such things in important and faster growing markets like India. While the current sales levels would be higher in the US, if manufacturers decided to gave the same push to India or other developing markets.
23. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I am still not sure of what you are asserting. Are you saying that if manufacturers were to hold the same promotions elsewhere that they hold in the U.S., they would see larger total sales? Or?
While you may be correct that total sales would increase if more promotions were held outside of the U.S., there is still the expense of holding the promotion. At the end of the quarter/year, it still comes down to total cost (expense) vs. total sales. If the cost/expense of holding global promotions is not at a minimum covered by the total sales, that is not a business model for the long term.
RIM is holding more promotions outside of the U.S. because that is where their market is presently the most healthy. I recently read an article that said RIM's share of the smartphone market in the U.S. was something like 2% (!). At that rate, RIM's share of the Asian market is probably 10X in absolute numbers - which is why RIM holds promotions in Asia.
34. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
and Asia was the strong hold of Nokia. while sammy has already launched Note II here in india, Nokia just launched Lumia 900. so how Nokia can compete with an old model against something Note II which is monster of a device. btw S III and Note II are selling like hell here. and while a 16gb ip5 will only cost you approx. $1200, you can buy Note II for $690 and S III for $625 unlocked. thats how Sammy is nailing it in sales. they truly are no.1.
53. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
Yeah your first line is correct. Apparently I forgot to put a few words before clicking the save button and dozed off.
29. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
i have to disagree with you Doug. for example here in India SAMSUNG outsells everything else with a big margin. the reason is they launch their top phones in India asa they do in international markets. hell we got SIII before US. Note II is already here.
42. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
I thought India was about even with Nokia and Samsung, hence the attention Nokia gives for the Asha line?
48. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3606; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Partly true... Nokia is selling good, but only next to Samsung. The Asha series isn't just because Nokia has a good sales record, but i think it's main cause was to find something for customers in budget level phones. And also a way for Nokia to refurnish the S40 series...to touchscreen, maybe. But Android is slowly taking over. Even those with no knowledge of how Android works, wants it. Someone once asked me if my sister's phone has Android in it. I simply smiled and nodded... There's no Android in the phone, i mean Android is the phone, right?
54. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
So are we supposed to buy Asha phones because they offer better VFM? How about actually reducing Lumia 900s price?
11. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10434; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Nokia should have branched out the Lumia 920 for strong sales. AT&T and its exclusivity will have an impact on its sales...
14. cdgoin (Posts: 504; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)
Booo... AT&T YOU SUCK !!! IT SHOULD NOT BE AN EXCLUSIVE MS / NOkia is killing itself with being exclusive..
32. timepilot84 (Posts: 113; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
MS didn't make this deal, Nokia did. I think it's a mistake but don't blame MS for this foolishness. They've got enough on their plate already.
39. Gawain (Posts: 418; Member since: 15 Apr 2010)
Given Elop's history with MS, it's not much of a leap to know there isn't much daylight between the two companies right now. WP isn't a free OS, so whatever agreement there is between the two companies, it will keep them joined at the hip for a while.
15. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
I'm pretty sure this will only be exclusive for 45 days....Verizon already said that they will carry a Nokia Lumia phone, but we just don't know when.
18. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
VZW has been 'allocated' the 800 series (L820?). Don't expect many Nokia sales on VZW. Look for more sales of HTC and Sammy WP8 phones.
33. timepilot84 (Posts: 113; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
If Verizon doesn't get an equivalent to the Lumia 920, Nokia is dead to me. I hope they get socked in the coin purse.
21. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
What a dumb move. I love Nokia, and Windows Phone, but this is not a way to get market share. Look at the Galaxy S2, S3, upcoming Galaxy Note 2, and, yes, even the *bleep*ing iphone: multiple carriers, oodles and gobs of sales. Same applied to the original RAZR back in the day. Nearly every carrier had one, and they sold tons.
22. FranksGT (Posts: 167; Member since: 29 Aug 2012)
Considering the Apple products sold exclusivly on ATT did so well, I dont see how ATT is all that bad? Still ATT is outselling VERIZON and SPRINT put together on the Iphone 5? Now there must be something keeping ATT in business.
24. SemperFiV12 (Posts: 944; Member since: 09 Nov 2010)
First off camera is 8.7mp... Something that definitely would not just slide by had this been anything but a Windows Phone article.
Second, I do not believe that the Nokia Lumia 920 will remain an AT&T exclusive for long. The release said that the experience would be an exclusive phone for the holiday season. I am hoping that Nokia and AT&T agreed on terms for exclusivity for a certain time period.
If my hunch is incorrect, and the Lumia 920 remains a AT&T exclusive, I can see not only Nokia, but Microsoft and the entire Windows Phone platform hurting a lot in the US market.
I understand that there will be choices to go with HTC and Samsung, possibly more manufacturers later on... But there are many customers that would dismiss the 8X and the Ativ S and would go for other offerings (non Windows Phone) if the Nokia Lumia is not available to them. These are the non-OS-caring consumers that want a high end Nokia (and the Lumia 820 just would not due).
28. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"But there are many customers that would dismiss the 8X and the Ativ S and would go for other offerings (non Windows Phone) if the Nokia Lumia is not available to them."
Which is why blanket carrier exclusives generally are not a good idea for the handset manufacturer.
40. Gawain (Posts: 418; Member since: 15 Apr 2010)
It is often the best way to get the carriers to commit to a sizable marketing initiative though. Unfortuately, I don't recall AT&T's efforts on the Lumia 900 to be all that memorable. Nokia and MS could have approached VZW and could have worked a "droid" redeux for WP. Look how effective that was!
43. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
@Gawain (cool name btw): There were some considerable efforts from Nokia, Microsoft, and AT&T on the marketing front. Smartphone Beta Test, a few concerts, giveaways, and there was a few AT&T ads, more memorably the one with the guy trying to impress the female coworker with his pretty cyan Lumia 900, then he got lost in his admiration and the meeting leader had to get his attention. Not the greatest ad ever, but it was out there
31. SmartPhoneStream (Posts: 162; Member since: 21 Jun 2012)
Why can't any good windows phones come to Verizon. If you want to make a phone exclusive to a carrier shouldn't you make it exclusive to the largest one (Verizon)
35. timepilot84 (Posts: 113; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
Because Nokia engineers are too lazy or too stupid to make a CDMA/LTE phone?
44. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
They've made CDMA phones in the past. CDMA is bass-ackwards though, and shrinking in popularity. Nokia has some of the best phone engineers on the planet, if not THE best. Read their Beta Labs and Conversations blogs for a glimpse at what they do.
Also, and more likely, verizon's model is still in development, or verizon didn't want to spend the money for it, or they got a deal with samsung for the ativ s or something else
47. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3606; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Partly true... Nokia is selling good, but only next to Samsung. The Asha series isn't just because Nokia is has a good sales record, but i think it's main cause was to find something for customers in budget level phones. And also a way for Nokia to refurnish the S40 series...to touchscreen, maybe. But Android is slowly taking over. Even those with no knowledge of how Android works, wants it. Someone once asked me if my sister's phone has Android in it. I simply smiled and nodded... There's no Android in the phone, Android is the phone.
49. awaitingandroid (Posts: 3; Member since: 13 Jul 2011)
Okay Nokia there's another mistake if you wanted sales you wouldn't make exclusive to carrier that's just dumb.Look at the GS3 all the carriers have it and what does it do it sales a lot.I really wanted this phone but because I'm not on AT&T the HTC 8X is my phone
52. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Good luck Nokia selling your 2 phone on one carrier against, well established iPhone 5, note2, one x+, and GS3. Good luck Eflop to your one carrier exclusive strategy. Thanks for not listening to your supporters.
55. papss (unregistered)
I will be getting this phone on day one period. If it were on big red i would jump.. since its on my preferred carrier im happy