AT&T explains why it will block FaceTime over 3G for some users: because a loophole in the system allows it
Basically, AT&T just publicly explained that there is a loophole in the system and... it would gladly use it, since it doesn’t violate any of FCC's rules. Here is AT&T’s explanation:
“The FCC’s net neutrality rules do not regulate the availability to customers of applications that are preloaded on phones. Indeed, the rules do not require that providers make available any preloaded apps. Rather, they address whether customers are able to download apps that compete with our voice or video telephony services. AT&T does not restrict customers from downloading any such lawful applications, and there are several video chat apps available in the various app stores serving particular operating systems. (I won’t name any of them for fear that I will be accused by these same groups of discriminating in favor of those apps. But just go to your app store on your device and type “video chat.”) Therefore, there is no net neutrality violation.”
So basically what AT&T is saying is that it will block FaceTime because it's a built-in app. The whole conflict stems from the fact that other apps like Skype have no restrictions as to video calling over 3G, and you could still be able to get them from the App Store. Well, at least when on Wi-Fi, you'd still be able to use FaceTime for free.
2. eDiesel posted on 22 Aug 2012, 10:09 8
You say it like their better. They stated all this crap. Trottling. Teired crap. Etc
3. akhi216 posted on 22 Aug 2012, 10:27 4
Wrong. AT&Trash started tiered data and throttling before VZW. AT&Trash gets ranked worst wireless company ever year by it's own customers. Verizon customers rank it number one every year as well and they get J.D. Power Award for customer service every year too. AT&Trash got ranked the worst company in the US in a poll on consumerist.com, beating out the likes of M$ and EA $ports.
22. 813shawn posted on 22 Aug 2012, 13:44 2
AT&T has way better customer service than Verizon does. What are you smoking? If you call up AT&T with a problem, they fix it. Try calling up Verizon, they don't care if they lose customers cause they have so many. Everyone that I know has problems with Verizons customer service. So get off your high horse, and realize that AT&T is an all around better company.
24. tedkord posted on 22 Aug 2012, 13:59 5
I think they're both scum bag companies with their policies and prices, but as to customer service, I've never had an issue with Verizon in over 10 years that I couldn't get cleared up in a couple of calls.
The biggest issue with Verizon is the range of knowledge their reps have. Some are very knowledgeable, most seem to just make up answers on the fly.
27. remixfa posted on 22 Aug 2012, 14:10 2
same issue with all companies.
32. thelegend6657 posted on 22 Aug 2012, 22:57 0
Remix :You once said that Tmobile is the best right ?
5. jaoowolabi posted on 22 Aug 2012, 10:31 3
no one on att gives a f**k! you know why cuz we still have the better plans! FTW
8. Nikolas.Oliver posted on 22 Aug 2012, 10:38 2
shame on u AT&T.....that's why you are still the second nation's largest carrier, not first....
20. getalife111 posted on 22 Aug 2012, 13:29 2
you people really don't have any lives if you sit here and brag that you have the best service provider....wow
23. 813shawn posted on 22 Aug 2012, 13:47 2
Do you understand what bandwidth exhaustion is? The reason AT&T isnt allowing this is because this takes up a lot of data. I'd way rather be on AT&T because they limit people's data. Eventually the world is gonna run out of bandwidth spectrum because of all of these people that are streaming tons and tons of audio and video on their cell phones. Use WiFi and these problems wouldnt happen.
29. 813shawn posted on 22 Aug 2012, 18:34 1
Verizon doesn't even operate well with the iPhone. The iPhone was originally created for AT&T and still works way better that way. Have fun Verizon customers getting all your iMessages when you hang up the phone. Haha. Stupid CDMA.
30. Sparhawk posted on 22 Aug 2012, 20:33 0
I'm glad you think it's better on AT&T. Everyone is entitled to their own delusions. Yes, currently you can't talk and surf simultaneously on Verizon's iPhone (but most people don't actually do this, and you can do it on Verizon if you connect your phone to WiFi), but with the next iPhone having LTE on board (according to rumor), that will no longer be an issue.
My VZW phone (Droid RAZR) can talk & surf simultaneously, but the only time I find myself using this feature is when I use the Google Maps Navigation while driving, and using the Bluetooth to make a phone call. This works flawlessly. My friend that has an iphone notices significantly slower phone performance and slower data speeds if they talk on the iPhone while surfing the web, and my RAZR doesn't have this problem.
31. thelegend6657 posted on 22 Aug 2012, 22:56 0
Choosing between carriers is like choosing between republicans or democrats . They are both assholes anyway so it is also like choosing you want to jump of a building or jump off a bridge
4. -box- posted on 22 Aug 2012, 10:29 4
FaceTime isn't very good anyway, and it's only for iDevices. Let's see, free video chat on multiple platforms, or on one overpriced restrictive platform with crummy software.... Besides that, it's a data hog, so why anyone would need to use it off-WiFi is beyond me.
Apple restricted facetime from 3G, it works over free and unlimited WiFi, why complain?
33. thelegend6657 posted on 22 Aug 2012, 23:02 0
I use both Skype and FaceTime , but the video and audio is clearer on FaceTime ,
But you know what's facetime's real problem ? Nobody Is using it , even all my friends that own apple devices . You can't connect using 3G so most calls go unanswered , there are a lot of people you can't call cause they don't have idevices so overall FaceTime is a flop
7. audiblenarcotic posted on 22 Aug 2012, 10:34 9
I really don't understand why anyone would really be using Facetime over Skype. Same goes for most of Apples proprietary applications.
Not to say that Apple's options don't work well but they are limited only to other Apple devices. Why not use something with a more broad reach?
12. infernal88 posted on 22 Aug 2012, 10:54 3
did i just read SMS in ur comment ! ...r u out of ur mind ! apple said they must not use SMS ...just dont bring that up ever again XD
28. bucky posted on 22 Aug 2012, 15:58 0
It's actually smooth using FaceTime. I have yet to see an app on my sgs2 that rivals its ease, connection strength and audio quality.
How does a regular SMS/mms have any advantage over imessage?
I like Dropbox but it still doesn't put things automatically on all of my devices like apps, SMS, pics and music.
36. audiblenarcotic posted on 23 Aug 2012, 09:11 0
You clearly did not actually get the point of what I'm saying. They are all better then the Apple variant because you can use them with people who don't have Apple products. By using these you are not trapped by Apples proprietary restrictions.
Skype is the easiest to use video chat platform that allows you to talk with anyone regardless of whether they are using an iPhone, Andriod, Mac, or PC. Also, you aren't forced to only use it while connected to WiFi.
iMessage isn't doing anything you can't do with SMS/MMS except limiting who you can message with it.
Dropbox can back up all of the things that you listed with the exception of Apps. But it has clear advantages when it comes to its ability to be used accross all platforms. Again breaking free from the restriction of being forced into an all Apple situation. Plus the fact that with dropbox you can better manage the files that you have backed up on thier cloud service as well as have public folders to be able to easily share files.
I hope this clears things up for you.
9. DigitalMD posted on 22 Aug 2012, 10:38 1
Irrelevant because the future of smartphone or indeed having no future, actually depends on if cell carriers continue the trend of charging more for less. If they continue to escalate usage costs, then the smart phone craze is doomed and there won;t be any need to innovate.
18. Whateverman posted on 22 Aug 2012, 12:50 2
Couldn't agree with you more! For the first time in a very long time, I will be riding out my entire two year contract with the same phone in hopes that eventually VZW with change these shared data plans. If they want my unlimited plan they are gonna have to do a lot better than what they are currently offering. If not, I will keep my current 1400 min plan, downgrade to a feature phone, and use my iPad and an Android tablet as smartphone replacements.
Yes, I LOVE my Razr, but I'm not gonna pay through the nose for mobile Internet access. I've lived a good chunk of my life without a smartphone, so going back isn't that big of a deal to me.
11. phonton posted on 22 Aug 2012, 10:52 0
First data cap on unlimited data plan.. Next block Facetime.. hmm it ll keep coming one by one.. But I remember one of the AT&T exec saying, the day is not far when ppl ll start using DATA ONLY plan... ROFL who knows how many "small asterix's" would be associated by then!
13. JunitoNH posted on 22 Aug 2012, 10:57 0
Problem is, AT&T is still angry with Apple. Angry, not exclusive provider of iPhone, angry about the high subsidized phones, and particular angry about the whole iMessage fiasco. IF you noticed they are trying to do anything possible to stick it to Apple.
14. dha_george posted on 22 Aug 2012, 11:27 0
thats how ive been taking it. just a middle finger at apple from at&t
16. 1ceTr0n posted on 22 Aug 2012, 12:43 0
Uh, what the hell is Facetime anyway? And yes, i'm on ATT with a Note
19. whoisnetworkdood (banned) posted on 22 Aug 2012, 13:25 2
facetime is really nothing...kind of like that show Seinfeld...
17. 1ceTr0n posted on 22 Aug 2012, 12:44 0
And damn, that is one fugly ass mom in the pic. Hope the child got the fathers look genes
21. poojaroy posted on 22 Aug 2012, 13:43 0
lol i am frome INDIA and m using facetime since 2009 on my carrier frome my android samsung phone haaaa and u ppl are getting now in 2012 on ur iphone n still there is dispute
25. tedkord posted on 22 Aug 2012, 14:03 1
Anyone remember lying Lowell, then CEO of VZW saying that LTE would be cheaper to supply, so prices would go down with LTE?
26. remixfa posted on 22 Aug 2012, 14:09 0
they have gone down. quite a bit actually.
It used to be 100 per line for just unl voice, then 20 for unl text, and 30 for unl 3g. = 150
Now i believe its 110 for unl talk/text and 4 gig of web. Of course now you get massive overages if you go over, but the base plan itself is cheaper.
When I worked at VZW the biggest single plan was 2000 minutes before they rolled unlimited out, and that was like 200 a month if i remember.
its still TOO expensive, but it is much cheaper comparatively.,
34. Jphones posted on 23 Aug 2012, 01:11 0
honestly does it matter who started it? The top 2 carriers in our country are money hungry anti consumer pockets. While the 3 and 4th place carriers are going for real unlimited everything which is obviously more consumer friendly. An the FCC aka aka f**k consumer cash doesn't make regulations that can stop loopholes like this there to busy stuck in the past they probably all still own original razor flip phones.
35. Altair posted on 23 Aug 2012, 03:28 0
This is also main reason why Skype is not going to be integred into WP8. Instead it is going to be downloaded content like everything else.
37. cangie posted on 23 Aug 2012, 12:33 0
ATT customer service rep hung up on me twice because he couldn't explain to me why I was being overcharged. Afterwards, a week and a half after paying my bills, they disconnected my internet, saying I owed them money. Then, a week after that, they disconnected my service again. Best in customer service my ass. bunch of idiots working there.