A reason why the iPhone display may stay at 3.5"
0. phoneArena 31 Oct 2011, 19:58 posted on
Many complain that the iPhone display needs to get bigger, but there is a very specific Steve Jobsian reason why the display is 3.5 inches, and it's a reason why the phone may stay that way...
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15. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
yep, definitely covered that in the article.
122. s.mrabet (Posts: 124; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Why still not changed the picture if you know it's not real??? The whole article is biased!
130. PotDragon (banned) (Posts: 214; Member since: 22 Jul 2011)
To state that pocket space and weight are a factor is a joke. What does Steve say the average pocket or pocketbook size is? How much does an iphone in an otterbox weigh? Really think it's lighter? Sigh
136. Habib (Posts: 114; Member since: 26 Feb 2011)
i think i remember, that the circle was not the same size!
and this article by alot of commentators was considered futile and biased. As for the content, which were based on these two pictures, they are also futile!
162. vu2ikl (Posts: 11; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
The diagram is interesting. It shows the area sweepable by normal sized thumb. So it's overall size of mobile not the screen size which should matter. HTC Desire S has comparable size.. a couple of mm here and there. but it has 3.7inch size unlike 3.5inch of iphone. IMO that is much better.
32. Immolate (Posts: 310; Member since: 17 Jun 2011)
Screen size is but one of the many minor conceits that Apple wallows in. Yet every poll I see indicates a preference for larger screens, with 4 and 4.3 getting the lion's share.
I'm asking you this Apple lovers: must you suffer for your devotion. Is there some religious edict requiring you two be limited to two choices, small phone in black and small phone in white?
You deserve better than to be treated like a bumbling herd of lobotomized sheep. You aren't going to get respect if you take what they give you and say "thank you sir, may I have another".
In the Android world, if you don't like it, wait a week and something better will come along, Voting with our feet is a way of life. It hurts me to see good people treated like serfs by a tyrannical company that thinks you like it like that. Rise up, oh ye the oppressed 9%! Rise up and throw down your tormentors!
34. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Not everyone wants or needs more than two choices. Many people quite like whatever Apple provides because of the design and integration with other Apple products. It's a choice, not something you need to campaign over.
83. denney (Posts: 98; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
I have actually decided that if the next iPhone has a screen larger thatn 4" I will buy one. I am a mac guy through and through, and having an iPhone would drastically simplify my mobile life, but my hands are gigantic, my fingers are even a little big for the keyboard on my HD7. The screen size is the only reason I have not purchased an iPhone.
116. vishnutp (Posts: 2; Member since: 01 Nov 2011)
U better need a custom phone or tab else u can choose a tab with phone function..
164. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
They could provide MORE choices. Not get rid of the existing models. The fact is that not every is the same. There is no one right way for existing and trying to label people in doing so is the reason why there are people like Hitler who would kill millions of Jews for being Jews.
Is it so much for a company whose budget exceeds the budget of the national government to actually provide more choices for their consumers? Is it too much to acknowledge that there are different kinds of users?
35. earle.evans (Posts: 27; Member since: 07 Mar 2010)
Not everyone wants it. I went with an original Droid and Incredible 2 b/c of the smaller screen. To me, bigger is not better, it's cumbersome and annoying. Large part of the reason I went back to the iphone.
165. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
If they did, I would have bought one a year ago. But it would ruin the image of Apple being all authoritarian-like.
36. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
shows us a poll that shows most people want bigger screens not a pa fandroid poll either
45. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the poll was already done..
"what feature do u want the most on the i4s/i5" article showed "bigger screen" as the number 1 answer by far.
Now on to sales.. when given the choice android consumers have shown over n over again that 4+ inches is the size phone they want.. even when other phones are given away for free. 90% of android's top sellers of the last year has been 4+ inches.
The proof is all around you. The iphone is the ONLY phone that sells that much with such a small screen, and thats ONLY because people that want iOS have NO CHOICE in the matter.
50. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It's hard to say that we have an unbiased and representative readership. Gotta keep that in mind with our polls
61. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
biased yes.. 90% biased in 1 direction? definately not.
73. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
then why does PA use the poll results as representative of all phone users?
nowhere in these articles is a disclaimer about "unbiased and representative readership"
95. SweetLou (Posts: 17; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
They don't use it as a blanket statement, they poll the readers here and thats the sample. If they say, "Most people that read this site would prefer a larger screen on the next iphone," How is that generalizing to the population?
135. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
"The proof is all around you".. you are right... look on how the iphone is selling....
The iphone is the ONLY phone that sells that much with such a small screen"...... and thats why it sells soo much becuase is the only one..
"even when other phones are given away for free. 90% of android's top sellers of the last year has been 4+ inches."... well.. 90% of android phones are 4+... so those customers have no choice but to go to Android if they want a big screen....... keyword.. no choice.... and your point is????
138. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
android phones range from 3.1 inches to 4.52 inches, gallito. There are dozens of models under 4 inches. see.. this magical thing happens when you have choice.. you get to choose your own screen sweet spot.. not be told what it is.
its also a magical coincidence that most all WP7 phones are 4+ inches, even symbian phones are starting to look the same.. and peter's favorite.. BADA is popin at 4 inches now.
its either the entire world is wrong, or you are. hmmmmm..
167. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
It's so obvious that gallito is. It's so hard for closed-minded people to see the whole picture when all they see is Apple.
166. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
You are seriously overlooking the existence of Windows Mango phones.
139. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
However, that is the FIRST 4+ inch screen phone they have ever bought. I'd like another poll taken with the following:
"After owning a 4+ inch screen phone for a year, what size screen will your next smart phone have?"
I think we have to take into account that these 4+ inch screen consumers bought partially into the hype and allure of larger screens. Has their opinion of large screens changed after owning one for a year?
For example, my friend had an EVO 4G for over a year, and they now have an iPhone 4S.
168. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
I am a 4'11" petite Asian girl with size 4.5 feet and small hands. I've bought the HTC Desire HD last year and after a whole year decided to buy the HTC Sensation XE. Both 4.3 inch screens.
I am aware of the iPhone 4 and 4S and have experience using them and they suck. I hate holding them. Too flat and fragile. And watching videos with friends sucks when all you have is a flimsily small screen. So is surfing the web.
52. JGuinan007 (Posts: 680; Member since: 19 May 2011)
I'm someone who wants a bigger screen 3.5 is way too small for me I have a 4.3 screen now and want a 5.3 screen I'm 6'5" and have big hands and a bigger screen means better web viewing better texting for my fingers for me a bigger screen is better but I guess if you like scrolling around and pinching to zoom on web viewing and your 4'5" and have small girlie hands 3.5 is great for you
87. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
3.5 inch screen size is so yesterday (more like last 2 years). If Apple keeps the iPhone's screen size locked into 3.5 inches, all of the high-end Android handset manufacturers should send flowers to Apple's executive team.
Add up the sales of the Android handsets with screen size larger than 3.5 inches. The number is not trivial. I guess the owners of those handsets are all using both hands while interacting with the handset. Having to use both hands sure doesn't seem to have soured those owners.
137. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
ok Droid_X_Doug...do the math for me, and tell me why that the Android phone they purchased is because of the screen siz.. please..
"Add up the sales of the Android handsets with screen size larger than 3.5 inches. "
169. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Not really. I'm 4'11", am a girl, and do have small hands and my hands yearn for the 4.3 screens. I freaking love my Desire HD and my Sensation XE. I type on my HTCs way faster than on my Nokia E72.
103. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"not all hands are born equal size."
Which is a problem when applying averaging. If 5 adult male's hands are measured as follows:
Hand A = 189mm
Hand B = 193mm
Hand C = 183mm
Hand D = 190mm
Hand E = 191mm
The Average measurement is 189.2. However, 60% of the sample has a larger hand size than the 'average', because of the one small hand skewing the average.
If Steve Jobs used average hand size as a reason for the 3.5 inch display size, he could be guilty of making an impulsive decision. I suspect it is more a matter of economics (as in unit cost of producing a retina-spec display in sizes larger than 3.5 inches).
113. GJanee (Posts: 214; Member since: 29 Jun 2011)
not all comparison pics are born fair and trustworthy... :)
126. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)
All these remarks about Apple being last year or two years ago and them being left behind and being out sold by the massive amounts of different Android handsets by the massive amount of different makers shines its own light. I am by no means An Apple iPhone fan. It is just funny that for the iPhone to be so bad that people keep buying it. They will never out sell so many different Androids phones by so many different makers around the world. Still Android cant kill Apple off. I used an iPhone this past weekend the iPhone 4 and I like the screen size and the screen is beautiful. I dont have girlie hands I am 6 foot plus in height and weigh well over 270 and can grab a basketball on the run dribbling to give you an idea. I will not give my EVO up though. iPhone will have to go LTE to really make me think about it.
133. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)
what does you being fat have to do with anything?
150. downphoenix (Posts: 3155; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
indeed. Why does Apple insist on a one size fit all approach for their phones? They have a lot of various models of PCs and music players, everything from the mac mini to mac pro, and their music players everything from the Ipod Shuffle to the Ipod touch. Here's hoping next year they will at least have one other phone model with a larger screen. Even if that's the only difference to the standard 3.5 inch model, there will be a lot of people that want it. There may be demand for a smaller size too, but small sized smartphones tend to sell poorly.
170. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Well... I'm ecstatic that they were dumb enough to not consider that. I dislike Apple. Too authoritarian and controlling for my taste.
2. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1119; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
"In fact, some may find it to be very annoying or unwieldy."
I have no problem with a 4.5 inch screen phone. I can wield it perfectly and I can also type the fastest on it without screwing up.
Also, who says that? I mean these articles post these opinions they say are by ordinary people but there is no poll showing that. In fact, the poll that PA did have showed overwhelming majority of people preferred over 4 inch screen phones.
13. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
maybe our readers have abnormally large hands?
88. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Or maybe they don't have a problem using both hands? What a novel concept.
100. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
haha how many people walk around using two hands for their phone…. its just annoying… i only do if im fast typing…
108. iShepherd (Posts: 38; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Or the fact that since you can move icons and widgets around anywhere you want on the screen unlike the iphone which just tiles everything for you. All of my icons are at the bottom in easy reach and informational widgets that need no interactions are kept at the top. With this set up I actually have a easier time operating a 4.3" phone than I did the iphone.
That's not to say the iphone was difficult, just for my own usage pattern being able to move icons freely around is a big plus.
3. Whateverman (Posts: 3251; Member since: 17 May 2009)
That's cool and all, but why not make an iPhone XL or something? One size fits all just doesn't work when it comes to cellphones. And if this were the case, why even bother making the iPad? Just doesn't seem like an exceptable reason why you would deny what soooo many people are going to other OEMs to get.
16. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Apple is all about focus, and having as few models as possible of its products. If Apple made an iPhone XL, it would have to make an iPhone Mini for those were below average hands as well.
30. Whateverman (Posts: 3251; Member since: 17 May 2009)
That sounds like a plan. Different size phones for users with different size hands! Let's get a mini, a regular, a large and extra large.
38. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Not gonna happen. That's not Apple's MO. That would be like asking Google to close Android and only make Android phones with Motorola exclusively.
92. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
*ahem* according to your cowriters on this website, the relationship between Google and Android OEMs is fragile, on the verge of collapse, and any day now Google will destroy that relationship entirely by treating Motorola preferentially.
There's about a 98% probability that they're COMPLETELY f**kING WRONG, of course, but that doesn't stop them from mentioning it every time they can.
127. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)
I guess everyone really believes that if they get Moto that they wont give Moto preference. Yeah and global warming isnt true.
172. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
You know what Hitler said... Make the lie big and make it simple. If you mention it enough, people will start to believe it. The gullible, the uninformed, and the ignorant, of course, along with the prejudiced.
154. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
They do it with Ipod and Ipod mini....
159. Johnny_Mnemonic (Posts: 240; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
That's way I don't like Apple they don't think outside the box
40. biophone (Posts: 1923; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
What apple wants to do is to create one really good product instead of a bunch of medocre ones. Heck i have small hands and a 4 inch screen is as far as i would like to comfortably go. Anything in the 3.5to4 range works for me. I hope apple will come out with two products the 4gs and 5. The 4gs just a 4s with lte and the 5 is the one they put effort into. You have to remeber apple has to create the os and phone and they dont have time to create a billion phones and improve the OS
146. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
"You have to remeber apple has to create the os and phone and they dont have time to create a billion phones and improve the OS"
This is a bogus statement. If anything, Apple is MORE capable of improving the OS and hardware (HW) at the same time beCAUSE they have control of both. Apple is not just 1 person...either working on just OS or just HW. Apple has separate engineering teams that closely collaborate to improve and create their OS and HW.
173. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Yes, they do. You're speaking of Apple as if it's just one single person working under it when it's actually a whole corporation. They could go and hire more people. They certainly have the money to do so. But why don't they?
80. FromOSN (Posts: 7; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
the mini is for the midgets or kids
the regular for the females
the large is for the men
the extra large is for the body builders
171. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
May I remind you of the the Apple iPod products? iPod Shuffle, iPod Nano, iPod Touch... Ring any bells?
4. rob5150 (Posts: 159; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
I haven't broke out my protractor yet ,, but that mock up should be exactly the same size of the green arc? The mock-up of the green arc on the iphone is taller isn't it? That's just false like iphone and galaxy s2 were photoshopped to be same size for the German court
17. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2701; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Dang, you're right on that one. A quick check in GIMP and those arcs are definitely not equal.