A more Googley idea for what can be done with Motorola
- Making data universally accessible. This is applies to both Google's open source push, and Google Takeout. Many will argue that Google (and particularly Android) isn't as open as advertised, but once the innovation is done by Google, the code is free for anyone. And, if anything proves the openness of the system, it's the fragmentation and forks, like those planned by Amazon, or Baidu. There is even evidence to suggest open-source is a better way forward than the dreadful patent process we have now, because unlike the overly litigious patent system, open-source, even in its limited Google form, actually spurs innovation. Google has also pushed the Data Liberation Front through Google Takeout, so only you control your data and can take it out of any cloud service at any time. And, it's also why Google pushes HTML5, which can be used on any platform with a capable browser (sorry IE).
- Bringing the world to the Internet. This is why Android is free, because it leads to cheaper devices and more people on the Internet. And this last idea is the main drive behind our suggestion for the future of Motorola. Of course, because Google is still a business, once on the Internet, most roads lead to Google ads.
1. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
We love you google. Apple and Google, a perfect world.
52. shafboy (Posts: 179; Member since: 26 Sep 2010)
I think Microsoft plays a huge part too actually, those three, rising competition and its amazing, but i want to see new companies become successful too.
2. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
This is the truth! Apple is greedy while Google wants to change the world! When the world changes, there wouldn't be anymore apple because google will eventually patent everything and buy off apple and create the iDroid and we will be all living in freedom because of Google! The Open Source World.
53. shafboy (Posts: 179; Member since: 26 Sep 2010)
That won't happen and I hope it doesn't, imagine the whole world running the same phone, same OS and everything is the same. It will be boring as hell. No matter what brand.
57. E.N. (Posts: 2216; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I think Google is a great company, but I think its funny how everyone is fooled into believing that they are pure and faultless. Apple and Google are both companies and they both need income. Apple seeks to make profits through their products, Google makes profits from ads. Ads ads ads. The internet and ads are their main driving force and not your "freedom". Don't be fooled.
I feel like Google has become what they set out to destroy (without even having destroyed it). They say that they didn't want only one choice and one OS to dominate the market and be the only choice for the consumers, but it seems like Android is the solution turned problem.
Anyone not in a cult would easily see that Apple failing and leaving the market wouldn't be a good thing, just as Android never being created would have equally been bad, but in just a different way. A world with only Apple would be very totalitarian. Even though the devices would work well, look nice and be updated timely there would only be one or two devices with minimalistic updates. If there was only Android, there would be so many choices, but the updates would be so much worse as a result, there would be too many compatibility issues with the applications, and I'm sure an even lower quality of devices would follow. It would be like some kind of crazy communistic anarchy. I definitely feel like Apple and Android are balancing each other and you can see that by Apple adding features that they feel was important and Google emphasizing the eradication of fragmentation and also attempting to attract more consumers by bettering their application store and media accessibility. If Google every purchased Apple, which would be kinda impossible because they are the richest company in the world, that would spell bad news for the mobile industry. At least that's what I think
58. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2577; Member since: 26 May 2011)
While I understand and agree with what you've said, I'm not sure I understand what prompted the comments. Given Google's failure with Buzz, deal-with-the-devil (aka Verizon), and the lawless spam of the Android Market, I'm not sure who can claim that Google is pure and faultless.
I'm also not sure who (aside from over the edge fanboys, who we tend to ignore) is claiming that Android should be the only option in the market. Competition makes everyone better, so I'm certainly glad that iOS and WP7 exist (not so much for BB, but that's because RIM has yet to prove it can innovate.)
Also, I'm not sure Google has enough money to buy Apple. I'm pretty sure there's only about 30 billion left, and that wouldn't cut it.
62. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
more competition the better. I would never wish apple gone from the market... well maybe bada (just kidding peter).
Innovation is derived from need and from competition. Thats also the exact reason that people are getting pissed at apple. They arent suing to protect IP, they are suing to protect their shrinking market share by trying to ban competition from the marketplace instead of innovating their way back to the top.
64. E.N. (Posts: 2216; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
You're not sure what prompted the comments? If you mean my comment we can easily see that bobfreking55 prompted my comments, if you mean bobfrekking55 then I have no idea what prompted the his comments either.
There were about 8 people who agreed with bobfrekking55 (now there's 16) when I commented. His comment was over the edge and fanboyish but the fact that so many people agreed with it, made it unlike the majority of the fanboys that we tend to ignore. More people agree with bobfrekking55 than any other opinion/statement made in this thread. I'd say that's worth just a little attention at the least.
3. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
awesome article Michael.
i have no bones to pick.. and thats saying something.. lol.
Now, hopefully this will settle down Peter's doomsday prophesies that we all try to tell him is nonsense. :)
7. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
doomsday prophesies. Lol. I actually think Android is Freedom. Apple is the evil side and everything in between the mobile industry is the yin yang of some sort.
Apple will make the i666 and the iBeast. Then we make the Droid Angel.
10. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2577; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Thanks! I worked really hard on this one to make sure it would be boneless.
4. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
"If Google were in this purely for profit, it wouldn't have been giving away Android all these years"
My guess is...
Google has been giving Android away for free for all these years, too make manufacturers want to use android, and to build a big ecosystem. When Android is big enough (which it is now), google kicks out the others, and makes exklusive Google phones. that way, google will earn much more money. Google is a business. Businesses are not charitys, they don't give stuff away for free without getting a profit from it.
5. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
Google will buy your bada and turn it into android if google starts focusing on the money. Do you want that? Google will rule everything. Lol.
6. Carter (unregistered)
"Businesses are not charitys, they don't give stuff away for free without getting a profit from it."
And yet Google has been doing this for years.
9. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
and maybe for the next hundreds. We survive because the people want us and need us. Unlike the overpriced iOS devices.
13. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
You forgot this part "hen Android is big enough (which it is now), google kicks out the others, and makes exklusive Google phones."
23. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yea, except that part isnt based in reality, fact, or has a remote chance of happening.
25. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)
LMAO, you guys are just a bunch of tools, you really think if Google wasn't profiting from Android they'd be "innovating" so much?? They might not be charging for Android directly, but trust me, indirectly, they make a big ass profit off of Android
42. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
google gives away android OS. That doesnt mean they arent making gobs of cash off of it. Noone is saying they dont. They make money off of liscencing google products to manufacturers like the market, maps, and such (they dont come on non liscenced android devices). They make money from the market as well from each app sold. They still make the bulk of their money through searching the internet, like they always have. Android is just another vehicle to drive searches through google.
Thats what people like peter refuse to grasp. They arent apple or MS, they arent in it for massive profits per device. They are in it for massive profits off of ANY device. Android just basicaly gives them a dedicated advertising platform.
66. jake (unregistered)
Good for google making "goobs" of cash, however, its from the ads and people have a choice if they want to advertise or not with google, there is a choice and in the meantime we get great phones and OS. Unlike Apple if you want one of their products (and i'm not saying the product is bad) you basically get raped...period.
And today you are seeing android phones from various mfg. with specs that far exceed iphone and for a better price. Alot more bang for the buck.
60. s (unregistered)
Sure ios 5 is real "innovating"
8. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2577; Member since: 26 May 2011)
And your guess is based on what evidence from Google's past actions?
Google is a business, but Google doesn't make its money from products like most businesses do. Google makes its money by getting more people to its ads either on the web or in Android apps. Google can use free products to bring in users and still make money.
12. protozeloz (Posts: 5191; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
many think Google gets a dollar every time someone clicks on an ad the truth is that Google does not need a click to get money, all they have to do is say they have millions of Gmail users that they have millions of website searches and millions of android users and companies will pay millions to get promoted in there just like peak hours on a TV Chanel boast lots of people wanting to occupy commercials the same occur with people wanting to use ads
14. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2577; Member since: 26 May 2011)
And of course Google can target those ads for a higher price by using relevant data like location, search history, etc.
16. protozeloz (Posts: 5191; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
what I admire of Google its their great capability, Google indexed the internet and looking at the past IO gives you a clue that Google is actually looking for peoples complaints and trying to make them happy, its what they seem to be doing with all they do recently.
24. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ya know, ive been telling him that over n over. he refuses to listen because then its not all roses for Bada. He wants android out of the way because he thinks then people will run to Bada. With Pete, all roads lead to bada and thats all there is.
you dont need facts, u just need to convince everyone its a fact!! lol
36. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
At the risk of sounding superficial, I think Samsung would have a hard time marketing Bada in the English-speaking world. The first three letters are "bad", for crying out loud! I can see the review headlines now...
43. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
it will be more of a pun made by fandroids and iDiots poking at the bada system then anything marketing related, but yea.. i can see that.. lol
51. Stuntman (Posts: 595; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
It reminds me of the "Nova" automobile. It means "no go" in some languages. :)
I guess Samsung should change the name of their OS to "Gooda" for English speaking markets. :)
11. protozeloz (Posts: 5191; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
It would make scene if Google where your regular company, Google is far from being a normal company, and has alwyas being giving stuff away for free
lemme give you a few examples
-when Google started Gmail mail services gave you really limited amounts of storage for email and offered more at extra cost, Gmail came and gave Us 5GB of storage for mail at no cost
-map services came on trial or other paid apps, Google maps gave maps to people at no cost and is still doing so
-mobile maps existed when smartphone got GPS, but they where costly yet Google made its map application available for free on many devices and turn by turn on their smartphones
Google is interested in having android reach everywhere and that cant be done if Google makes only on device plus on the current patent war going though one manufacturer will tell the other companies who to go after, Motorola can help Google on many other stuff
18. BrockSamson (unregistered)
Google does not own Android.
They cannot simply "kick out the others" or take exclusive control over it.
15. networkdood (Posts: 4749; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Interesting article and really nice to see its author interaction with the public. We need more of this from phonearena, rather than the mindless drivel of posters arguing over who is better - iPHONE or ANDROID.
17. protozeloz (Posts: 5191; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
yes, its nice to see the opinion and clarifications of the author, this makes the site look more professional. this kind of articles (editorial is the word right?) are really nice
19. urthatguy (Posts: 19; Member since: 22 Jun 2011)
My problem is this article says Google will roll out extremely cheap phones to emerging markets. Someone needs to tell the people buying these "cheap" phones they are glitchy as hell, will not run all apps from the android market. Android will only continue because of its market share. Its getting boring, a new droid phone every week thats better than the one before it.
Off topic: I went into a Radioshack for minutes, took a call and after i ended the call I noticed a Team Radioshack app had been installed on my phone as well as my wallpaper changed to a radioshack wallpaper. Also all the widgets and icons, i spent time placing on my screens, had been erased and reset. This is why android sux, this glitchy behavior gets old.
38. Whateverman (Posts: 3066; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Why is it I have such a hard time believing that story? If that really happens to you, RadioShack should be investigated. But nothing like that has ever happens to me at any of their stores.
70. Sammy2011 (unregistered)
Yea that just doesn't happen, like ever.
20. Sniggly (Posts: 6222; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Amazing article, full of great ideas and news I hadn't even heard of. If you're right, Michael, a play like that will be one of the greatest moves ever made by a company. You really are the best writer on this site, Michael.
26. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
way better than the normal "iphone iz teh phone from teh godz" articles we used to see quite often.. lol
28. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2577; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I'm working on that article as we speak...
34. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
im getting my voodoo bones ready to pick then :)
45. ilia1986 (unregistered)
It would be nice to have an iPhone review with a score less than 8.. to show just how mediocre the iPhone 5 is going to be. I really think that among all the active cell-phone oriented communities - PA and PhoneDog are the largest. :D
59. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
So you WANT the iPhone 5 to be mediocre, just so you can shove it in the faces of fanboys?
Apple may make odd design decisions (that antenna, the glass back of the ip4) but they're not stupid. The ip5 will likely pack just as much firepower as most of the Android phones arriving this fall - minimum 1 Ghz dual core, likely 1 GB RAM, 8 MP camera, and a screen somewhere in the 3.7-4" range. It will be well-reviewed, the reviews will be well-deserved, and it will continue to be compared to every other phone on the market. Fanboys will gloat, fandroids will cry bias, Apple will rake in millions, and the sun will continue to rise and set.
61. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Which by late 2011 terms IS mediocre. Did I mention that the latest report says it's got the same 3.5" screen and the same 512MB of Ram?
But yes the rest of your points are valid. It will unfortunately sell millions even if every site in the universe will award it the "worst phone ever" title.
63. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I'll believe nothing about the iP5 until I see an official announcement (or a Gizmodo-style expose). I don't think Apple can afford not to do SOMETHING about the screen though. They're constrained to the current phone width by all the iPod docks out there, but they can still stretch the screen a bit.
I think we disagree on the definition of "mediocre". Even in late 2011 terms, a 1 GHz dual core, 1 GB RAM and a 4" screen will be commonplace, not mediocre. Just because everyone has the same high standards doesn't make them mediocre.
22. BlackCoffee (Posts: 6; Member since: 13 May 2011)
Love you GOOGLE, Android have literally tied me down.. Awesome article :)
31. nb2six (Posts: 298; Member since: 27 Apr 2011)
This is by far the best article I've read on this site. I found PA a little over a year ago and come back everyday to stay up to date. Sometimes an article seems like it is posted just to start an OS war, sometimes an article is posted to create some great speculation, and then there are Articles like this one that prove to be very very informative and a great read all at once.
Michael H, you've outdone yourself!!
33. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2577; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Wow, thanks! I'll try to keep it up.
32. Lucas Carrizales (unregistered)
Mother f**ker I'm going to drop this article.
35. jthiagesan (Posts: 104; Member since: 20 Apr 2011)
Love you google, thanks michael for posting this information.
37. Stuntman (Posts: 595; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
Perhaps, I'm just becoming more cynical with age. I do think that Google like Apple and other companies are out to make money. If Google did not make money, they would not have been able to bid or those Nortel patents or buy Motorola for $12 billion. They managed to make money a different way than many other companies do. So far, their giving away products and services for free to the end user and then getting revenue via ads, has been pretty effective. Getting market penetration is the key to their revenue stream. It may seem like they are being the "nice guys" by making so many things free that other companies charge. In the end, they need to get their products to the end user's hands so they can make money.
It's a great story to say that this company is giving away free stuff and then happen to make money on the side. I think the reality is more like that they want to make money and it so happens giving away free stuff is how they are able to do that. I don't claim to know exactly the motivations of the founders of Google are, but I feel it is more likely to be the latter than the former. If I worked for or created Google, I would want people to think the former.
39. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2577; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It's not that Google isn't out to make money, it is still a business after all. The point is that Google doesn't make money in the same way as traditional companies like Apple, and has leeway to do more interesting things like this.
49. Stuntman (Posts: 595; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
Google and Apple overlap somewhat in what products and services they provide. Both make a mobile OS. Beyond that, Apple actually makes the physical devices where as Google does not (although that may change in how they operate Motorlola). A big part of Apple's products is their devices and ecosystem (such as the App Store). Google has their search engine and mapping service and email, etc. Because of the different nature of Google's and Apple's business, it is no surprise that these companies make money via different means.
55. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2577; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Google and Apple overlap in the products and services they provide to an extent, but the business philosophies are polar opposites. Apple charges for everything. Apple makes huge margins on hardware, makes a slight profit on iTunes, and even charges for its very basic cloud computing services.
On the other hand, Google essentially uses ads to subsidize everything. There is certainly money coming in from the Android Market, but we have no numbers to indicate that the service is profitable.
Given such crazy opposites, it's difficult to understand why so many "news" outlets jump on every tale that Google is suddenly going to buck its entire history to push for all profits. Quite maddening really.
41. Whateverman (Posts: 3066; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Any person or group of people that come together to create a business is of course out to make money. We all have to eat. But I think what Michael is saying is that money isn't Google's only motivation. I think he's saying (and forgive me if I'm reaching on this one Michael. great article BTW!) that Google seems to be a very conscionable business by offering so many of their products to the masses for free. Who else is doing that to the degree that Google is with Android, Maps, Earth and everything else they offer for free.
To me, it kinda sounds like the story of Robin Hood. In this case Google is Robin Hood and Apple is like the Sheriff of Nottingham. Except Google offers advertising services to businesses for a small fee, which allows them to give us free access to the goods and services most companies would charge to use. While Apple, the Sheriff, is the most dominate force in the cellular world but fells threatened by the popularity of Google's OS, so they're doing everything they can to destroy it!
Hey! That sounds like a story somebody here should re-write. I took the last one, Sniggly you're up buddy!